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Baloogan posted:Range? I think right at the beginning of OEF some Ospreys did something really awesome and seized an airfield? Might have been CoD or something tho. They were probably CH-53s since the Osprey wasn't in service until 2009 or something. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Rhino I've been here. It's kind of weird seeing this tiny bit of civilization(now just a shell) in the middle of now where.
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I recall reading that the V-22 has had a very good safety record now that it's in service, in spite of problems during development.
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Sep 11, 2013 18:23
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Mortabis posted:I recall reading that the V-22 has had a very good safety record now that it's in service, in spite of problems during development. Stop ruining the ~joke~
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Sep 11, 2013 18:26
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Mortabis posted:I recall reading that the V-22 has had a very good safety record now that it's in service, in spite of problems during development. Seriously somebody give me some sources for this. There's huge protests in Japan over their using V-22s at Okinawa, because it's supposed unsafe and will begin raining from the sky onto their homes in fiery hail of death, and I want to be able to counter that bullshit with numbers. \/\/ yeah I'm dumb/lazy I guess LimburgLimbo fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Sep 11, 2013 |
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Sep 11, 2013 18:31
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Top google hit: http://breakingdefense.com/2011/08/09/the-v-22-safer-than-helos-effective-worth-buying/ It's pretty well-written IMO. Basically it seems like not only is the aircraft fairly reliable, but the fact that it has a high ceiling and high speed means that it's less vulnerable to ground fire. Obviously that's not an issue in Japan though.
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Sep 11, 2013 18:40
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Didn't the Osprey have fewer crashes in development than existing helicopters? I remember hearing that the problem was the Osprey's tendency to be full of people for some reason.
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Sep 11, 2013 18:46
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Godholio posted:Didn't the Osprey have fewer crashes in development than existing helicopters? I remember hearing that the problem was the Osprey's tendency to be full of people for some reason. It was the same problem the C-2 had.
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Sep 11, 2013 19:17
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It has fewer crashes per flight hour than some other platforms. Can't find the source, but Bell-Boeing brags about it in posters everywhere. And their transmission can drive the prop on the opposite nacelle. Sorry to ruin the joke but I feel like I have to.... ...I'm in the pipeline to fly these 
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Godholio posted:Didn't the Osprey have fewer crashes in development than existing helicopters? I remember hearing that the problem was the Osprey's tendency to be full of people for some reason. The TL;DR of all this is that the Marines in typical fashion were really excited to put Marines in their new toy. So really early into their test cycle, instead of killing a minimal crew when a test platform failed, it smashed a squad of Marines into the the dirt. They've lost 1 in Afghanistan. Wikipedia posted:On 8 April 2010, a USAF CV-22 crashed in southern Afghanistan. Three US service members and one civilian were killed and 16 injured in the crash. It was initially unclear if the accident was the result of enemy fire. The loaded CV-22B was at its hovering capability limit, landing at night near Qalat (altitude approx. 5,000 feet) in brownout conditions, in turbulence due to the location in a gully. The USAF investigation ruled out brownout conditions, enemy fire, and vortex ring state as causes. The investigation found several factors that significantly contributed to the crash; these include low visibility, a poorly executed approach, loss of situational awareness, and a high descent rate. Bob A Feet posted:...I'm in the pipeline to fly these They feel so weird during transition, but in all, not bad. Just don't be like the one pilot who did what I can only assume was a poorly-done carrier break before descent in Afghanistan; our cargo wasn't strapped down the best, and I remember seeing the rear gunner and some boxes floating as the horizon violently shifted sideways. We were a lot closer to the ground when we transitioned to hover. Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Sep 11, 2013 |
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Sep 11, 2013 19:23
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wikipedia posted:a high descent rate. Well that's a common factor in all crashes. 
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Sep 11, 2013 19:28
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It says they ruled out brownout conditions, but "the investigation found several factors that significantly contributed to the crash; these include low visibility..." 
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Mike-o posted:It says they ruled out brownout conditions, but "the investigation found several factors that significantly contributed to the crash; these include low visibility..." Well, they didn't specify what time of day it was...
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Sep 11, 2013 21:27
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LimburgLimbo posted:Seriously somebody give me some sources for this. There's huge protests in Japan over their using V-22s at Okinawa, because it's supposed unsafe and will begin raining from the sky onto their homes in fiery hail of death, and I want to be able to counter that bullshit with numbers.
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Wasabi the J posted:Well, they didn't specify what time of day it was... From my understanding it was at night and visibility was pretty bad but the commander had them go anyway. I also heard that ISR picked up what may have been puffs of smoke coming off of the engines right before the crash but that the higher ups decided to just pin it all on the pilots.
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Sep 11, 2013 23:54
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ghost bones posted:also massive advantage in crashability and crew murder You win some, you lose some.
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Rude. posted:
http://www.gizmag.com/bell-helicopter-v-280-valor-tiltrotor/27043/ Is there actually an advantage to tiltrotors over helicopters, or are they only doing this because the concept actually works now so we might as well? e:http://www.gizmag.com/boeing-sikorsky-x2-based-proposal/26495/ Because the last Boeing-Sikorsky team-up worked out so very well.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:http://www.gizmag.com/bell-helicopter-v-280-valor-tiltrotor/27043/ Tiltrotors are faster, have more range, and have a higher service ceiling. The maintenance is apparently a bitch and a half though.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Is there actually an advantage to tiltrotors over helicopters, or are they only doing this because the concept actually works now so we might as well? They look cool.
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Wasabi the J posted:The TL;DR of all this is that the Marines in typical fashion were really excited to put Marines in their new toy. So really early into their test cycle, instead of killing a minimal crew when a test platform failed, it smashed a squad of Marines into the the dirt. And at least one at home (AF). That's not to mention the fact that they can't autorotate like a helicopter, they require a shitload more maintenance per flight hour than they originally claimed, and a lot of teams can't stand them due to the heat of the exhaust and the rotor downwash that makes doing any kind of hover work a huge pain in the rear end.
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Ikarus posted:And at least one at home (AF).
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grover posted:They autorotate like crap and glide like a brick, but neither is really applicable because it's not a helicopter or a fixed-wing aircraft, it's a hybrid, and it has a hybrid glide procedure that combines both gliding and autorotation if it suffers a double engine-failure. Double engine failures are unrecorded in the platform and talking to a pilot, he said the procedure for them probably wouldn't happen. Any platform that size that sustains a multiple engine failure is going to end in pieces. I'm almost 99% sure it can't autorotate because of the transmission (it's transmission won't unlock/no clutch). Everyone better get comfortable with them. To give you some insight into pilot selection and accession, almost every pilot in the Marine Corps that has selected platform in the past few months has been selected to the Osprey pipeline. I can give more info about the pipeline if anyone wants it, too.
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Sep 12, 2013 13:07
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Better than riding in a 40yr old -46.
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I would like to know more.
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Veins McGee posted:Better than riding in a 40yr old -46. No poo poo. Those things are/were loving horrifying. Everytime I rode in one I was scared shitless of the drat thing shaking apart.
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Booblord Zagats posted:No poo poo. Those things are/were loving horrifying. Everytime I rode in one I was scared shitless of the drat thing shaking apart. I've seen Chinooks that aren't that old (D-models) come in to be dismantled that are literally sitting there with three wheels on the ground, because the airframe's so twisted that the fourth one's up in the air. We were doing frequency sweeps on a G-model, one which still had the aft pylon from an A-model on it, and the crew chief took a video camera up with him to get proof of how the rear end-end was twisting and torqueing around in flight as the pilot input the sweeps. I can't even imagine how loose and worn out the Phrogs are at this point. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Sep 12, 2013 |
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Sep 12, 2013 17:42
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Booblord Zagats posted:No poo poo. Those things are/were loving horrifying. Everytime I rode in one I was scared shitless of the drat thing shaking apart. Funny that's one of the reasons my dad was always big on the V-22...and keep in mind the C-46s weren't as old when he was in them during Vietnam.
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There's nothing like your first ride on a 53, though. *short stream of hydraulic fluid drips from the ceiling*  Uhhh, dude, your bird's leaking!*looks at puddle* That's fine, don't worry about it!
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It's when they aren't leaking that you have a problem. It means they're out of fluid.
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Phanatic posted:I've seen Chinooks that aren't that old (D-models) come in to be dismantled that are literally sitting there with three wheels on the ground, because the airframe's so twisted that the fourth one's up in the air. We were doing frequency sweeps on a G-model, one which still had the aft pylon from an A-model on it, and the crew chief took a video camera up with him to get proof of how the rear end-end was twisting and torqueing around in flight as the pilot input the sweeps. Given that some of them have been remanufactured three separate times now that doesn't surprise me, actually. Though that does beg the question of how involved the rebuild process is. I would assume that everything is zero-timed, right? Plastic_Gargoyle fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Sep 12, 2013 |
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Here's a project I've been working on. After the August 21st chemical attack in Damascus I've been trying to gather as much information as I can on these:   According to the many arms and chemical weapons specialists I've spoken to, these munitions are unique to Syria, and haven't even got a name yet. In fact, it appears I'm pretty much the first person who took any notice of them, so I've spent the past few weeks becoming very familiar with them, and working with activists in Damascus to get more information. As part of that, one group decided to drag one of them into their house, and take a bunch of photos of it   It's even got to the point where I'm trying to recreate the thing, piece by piece, so I can figure out how it all fits together  And I helped Human Rights Watch put together a basic diagram for their latest report  The UN inspectors gave them a close look as well, and seemed pretty concerned about them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmP6wPdTIUM So on Monday I'll find out if I've just wasted the last 3 weeks of my life barking up the wrong tree, or if I've been documenting a chemical weapon linked to the deaths of hundreds of people in Syria.
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Brown Moses posted:So on Monday I'll find out if I've just wasted the last 3 weeks of my life barking up the wrong tree, or if I've been documenting a chemical weapon linked to the deaths of hundreds of people in Syria. How do you think they're fused? Have any fuse elements been found?
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grover posted:Everything you've said in your blog about it looks 100% consistent with the photos and makes a ton of sense. No way everything that's been documented is a coincidence. One CW expert I spoke to said if it's sarin then a impact fuze would be ideal. This is the only evidence I've found of the front end. The knobbly bit faces inwards, you can see the ridge around the outside where the outer casing of the warhead would fit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBd7aclRLMg
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Uncanny resemblance to US's SLUFAE. Wonder if the design is more than superficially similar? Probably not; the details look considerably different. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US4273048 
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Sep 12, 2013 23:03
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grover posted:Uncanny resemblance to US's SLUFAE. Wonder if the design is more than superficially similar? Probably not; the details look considerably different.
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grover posted:Uncanny resemblance to US's SLUFAE. Wonder if the design is more than superficially similar? Probably not; the details look considerably different. Can't wait to see some idiot claiming it's proof that the CIA was behind this all along, false-flag style.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Probably a case of convergent evolution; a cheap, medium ranged, indirect fire rocket designed to spread a liquid or gas on impact is going to end up fitting somewhere in the "can on the end of a finned stick" box. Israel's got a similar thermobaric weapon for minefield clearing, so the technology's been around the region for a while now. Russia apparantly was kicking around the concept for a while, too. http://killerapps.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/28/were_syria_s_nerve_gas_rockets_based_on_an_american_design
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grover posted:Uncanny resemblance to US's SLUFAE. Wonder if the design is more than superficially similar? Probably not; the details look considerably different. There's been a lot of discussion about this, some people think they might have copied to the design for their own munition. Some even have been arguing it's FAE, but that's not a theory I find particularly convincing. I'll be on Channel 4 News (UK) tonight talking about these munitions, assuming the edit is kind.
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Brown Moses posted:There's been a lot of discussion about this, some people think they might have copied to the design for their own munition. Some even have been arguing it's FAE, but that's not a theory I find particularly convincing. I'll be on Channel 4 News (UK) tonight talking about these munitions, assuming the edit is kind. We don't get UK4 here. Please post a link to the clip once it airs, though!
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