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# ? Sep 13, 2013 20:31

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# ? May 13, 2024 05:37

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

NOTinuyasha posted:

protobuf: if i add values to an existing enum will it break the protocol or will old versions just set the enum to default if an unknown value is encountered?

i would guess default but i havent encountered this (i designed my protocol correctly the first time :smuggo:

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# ? Sep 13, 2013 21:03

leterip: Aug 25, 2004

NOTinuyasha posted:

protobuf: if i add values to an existing enum will it break the protocol or will old versions just set the enum to default if an unknown value is encountered?

I would expect it to just keep the numeric value of the enum and it just won't equal any symbolic name accessible in the old versions.

edit: confirmed this is what the Go protobuf stuff does. the enum wire type is just a varint anyway so

leterip fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Sep 13, 2013

# ? Sep 13, 2013 21:36

THE PLATFORM MASTER: Jun 3, 2008

leterip posted:

I would expect it to just keep the numeric value of the enum and it just won't equal any symbolic name accessible in the old versions.

edit: confirmed this is what the Go protobuf stuff does. the enum wire type is just a varint anyway so

my understanding is that it goes to the default if your language can force things to an enum type, this is why you should always do

enum Butts {
UNKNOWN = 0;
BALLS = 1;
DICKS = 2;
}

so you always know when you have wacky data

# ? Sep 14, 2013 18:47

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

gently caress the single-space-after-sentence police: http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

# ? Sep 14, 2013 20:33

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

(we don't have a font thread no mo'

)

# ? Sep 14, 2013 20:33

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

NOTinuyasha posted:

protobuf: if i add values to an existing enum will it break the protocol or will old versions just set the enum to default if an unknown value is encountered?

according to the spec: "You can do this very simply by adding an enum to your message definition - a field with an enum type can only have one of a specified set of constants as its value (if you try to provide a different value, the parser will treat it like an unknown field)."

so it'll treat it like it's not present, therefore default value

Bloody posted:

(i designed my protocol correctly the first time )

congratulations on either designing dead software or underspecifying your protocol

# ? Sep 14, 2013 20:54

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Cocoa Crispies posted:

according to the spec: "You can do this very simply by adding an enum to your message definition - a field with an enum type can only have one of a specified set of constants as its value (if you try to provide a different value, the parser will treat it like an unknown field)."

so it'll treat it like it's not present, therefore default value

congratulations on either designing dead software or underspecifying your protocol

lolll do they not have conformance tests or something. might as well just roll your own lovely binary protocol

# ? Sep 14, 2013 20:58

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Nomnom Cookie posted:

lolll do they not have conformance tests or something. might as well just roll your own lovely binary protocol

it's a construction kit for binary serializers that lets you add fields and not break outdated deserializers that don't know about them

having a default is part of that

# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:07

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

and go's implementation doesn't handle it properly, therefore loll doesnt it have conformance tests

# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:09

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Nomnom Cookie posted:

and go's implementation doesn't handle it properly, therefore loll doesnt it have conformance tests

lol so does beefcake in ruby

Ruby code:

ButtEnum.decode "\b\x03" #=> <ButtEnum repl: TRUE(3)>
ButtEnum.decode "\b\x04" #=> <ButtEnum repl: -NA-(4)>
ButtEnum.decode "\b\x09" #=> <ButtEnum repl: -NA-(9)>

and that's with a default of 0 set lol

*files bug*

# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:14

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Cocoa Crispies posted:

congratulations on either designing dead software or underspecifying your protocol

nope it works wonderfully

# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:15

Max Facetime: Apr 18, 2009

Otto Skorzeny posted:

gently caress the single-space-after-sentence police: http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

nice! first typographers get duped by publishers wanting to cut costs. they turn their backs on centuries of their own history and adopt the techinical limitations of the 60's to stay relevant. in doing so they got owned by computers once. now with ubiquitous computing capable of any any imaginable typesetting conventions they would get owned by computers again, if people actually cared that much about typesetting. what a profession

# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:16

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Max Facetime posted:

nice! first typographers get duped by publishers wanting to cut costs. they turn their backs on centuries of their own history and adopt the techinical limitations of the 60's to stay relevant. in doing so they got owned by computers once. now with ubiquitous computing capable of any any imaginable typesetting conventions they would get owned by computers again, if people actually cared that much about typesetting. what a profession

# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:25

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Max Facetime posted:

nice! first typographers get duped by publishers wanting to cut costs. they turn their backs on centuries of their own history and adopt the techinical limitations of the 60's to stay relevant. in doing so they got owned by computers once. now with ubiquitous computing capable of any any imaginable typesetting conventions they would get owned by computers again, if people actually cared that much about typesetting. what a profession

owned, good ſir

# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:28

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

less presses > worthless ~~standards~~

who gives a poo poo about keyboard jockeys

# ? Sep 14, 2013 23:21

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

less presses > worthless ~~standards~~

who gives a poo poo about keyboard jockeys

this.

it's a formatting issue. add some code or a stylesheet or whatever the gently caress if you want ". " to look like ". "

# ? Sep 14, 2013 23:40

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Otto Skorzeny posted:

gently caress the single-space-after-sentence police: http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

two spaces after periods is a clear sign of advanced syphilis

# ? Sep 15, 2013 01:11

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

as is indenting code with tabs

# ? Sep 15, 2013 01:49

spongeh: Mar 22, 2009; BREADAGRAM OF PROTECTION

two spaces after periods just looks uglier and harder to read.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 05:35

uG: Apr 23, 2003; by Ralp

it wouldn't be if you had robot eyes

# ? Sep 15, 2013 06:15

uG: Apr 23, 2003; by Ralp

i imagine it would be slightly easier to parse english if 'end of sentence' token was the ever so slightly less ambiguous period double-space

# ? Sep 15, 2013 06:16

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

Nomnom Cookie posted:

as is indenting code with tabs

gently caress you+eat poo poo

# ? Sep 15, 2013 08:35

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Cocoa Crispies posted:

congratulations on either designing dead software or underspecifying your protocol

i dunno if you were using http you could use content-negociation to allow newer clients to get a new format while still supporting legacy ones

since i was using a website as an api, i just added more forms and links on it and old clients didn't break

# ? Sep 15, 2013 10:33

Max Facetime: Apr 18, 2009

tef posted:

if you were using http you could use content-negociation

is this an actual thing that exists and not just one apache plugin zipping the server's response if there's an Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate header?

because when a web application firewall can just plop down some tables and divs between html and head tags I'm having some doubts:

HTML code:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<html><div id="container"><table width="100%" xclass="notice-table" bgcolor="#f5f8fa" cellpadding="0"
 cellspacing="8" vspace="5"> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center"> <font size="4" face="Arial, Sans"
 color="red"><b> ModSecurity Alert Message:<br>CRS Anomaly Score Exceeded (score 4):
 <br>The application is not available<br>TX ID: UjWaL8Co8AoAADhnTWIAAAAb </b></font>
 </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div><head>
<title>503 Service Temporarily Unavailable</title>
</head><body>
<h1>Service Temporarily Unavailable</h1>
<p>The server is temporarily unable to service your
request due to maintenance downtime or capacity
problems. Please try again later.</p>
<hr>
<address>What-Chu-Talkin'-Bout-Willis?/Arnold Drummondv.1.0 Server at [url]www.modsecurity.org[/url] Port 80</address>
</body></html>

# ? Sep 15, 2013 12:39

Meiwaku: Jan 10, 2011; Fun for the whole family!

uG posted:

i imagine it would be slightly easier to parse english if 'end of sentence' token was the ever so slightly less ambiguous period double-space

You don't know true pain until you have to tokenize CJKV.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 13:59

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

tef posted:

i dunno if you were using http you could use content-negociation to allow newer clients to get a new format while still supporting legacy ones

since i was using a website as an api, i just added more forms and links on it and old clients didn't break

protobuffs is optimized for size and backwards/forwards compat, and requiring users of it to implement negotiation goes against that

# ? Sep 15, 2013 14:35

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Meiwaku posted:

You don't know true pain until you have to tokenize CJKV.

chinese word segmentation makes a fun campfire horror story

# ? Sep 15, 2013 16:18

hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

tef posted:

chinese word segmentation makes a fun campfire horror story

Ill light the fire, you get the flashlight

# ? Sep 15, 2013 17:03

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

tef posted:

chinese word segmentation makes a fun campfire horror story

seems like a good time for a consultant

# ? Sep 15, 2013 17:36

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

tef posted:

i dunno if you were using http you could use content-negociation to allow newer clients to get a new format while still supporting legacy ones

since i was using a website as an api, i just added more forms and links on it and old clients didn't break

yes the normal way to change service message formats is to version them instead of replacing them to maintain backwards compatibility.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 17:59

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

the version was in the header all along!

# ? Sep 15, 2013 20:16

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

tef posted:

the version was in the header all along!

# ? Sep 15, 2013 21:12

NOTinuyasha: Oct 17, 2006; The Great Twist

Cocoa Crispies posted:

according to the spec: "You can do this very simply by adding an enum to your message definition - a field with an enum type can only have one of a specified set of constants as its value (if you try to provide a different value, the parser will treat it like an unknown field)."

so it'll treat it like it's not present, therefore default value

thank you this is a good answer

Nomnom Cookie posted:

and go's implementation doesn't handle it properly, therefore loll doesnt it have conformance tests

Cocoa Crispies posted:

lol so does beefcake in ruby
Ruby code:
ButtEnum.decode "\b\x03" #=> <ButtEnum repl: TRUE(3)>
ButtEnum.decode "\b\x04" #=> <ButtEnum repl: -NA-(4)>
ButtEnum.decode "\b\x09" #=> <ButtEnum repl: -NA-(9)>
and that's with a default of 0 set lol

*files bug*

oh god i have to test it beforehand anyway

# ? Sep 15, 2013 23:25