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Things that make you go hmmmm. If you're really fat, aren't you basically lifting weights any time you move?
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Sep 13, 2013 21:04
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Angela Christine posted:Things that make you go hmmmm. If you're really fat, aren't you basically lifting weights any time you move? Yes, in fact every time you draw a breath. This is how a lot of fat people die when their heart or lungs can no longer keep up with the demands of lifting their disgusting body.
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Sep 13, 2013 21:35
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Moist von Lipwig posted:Wrong I said to start out walking. If walking is hard on his joints then weightlifting is going to be hell.
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Sep 13, 2013 21:42
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I've read this entire thread and I missed the part where Benny is SO FAT HE CAN'T LIFT WEIGHTS. I thought he was just overweight?
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Sep 13, 2013 23:30
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natetimm posted:I said to start out walking. If walking is hard on his joints then weightlifting is going to be hell. I don't think you understand body mechanics at all.
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Sep 14, 2013 00:08
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Arch Stanton posted:I don't think you understand body mechanics at all. Aren't those just called doctors? Benny, have you considered going back to school and doing pre-med?
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Sep 14, 2013 00:31
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YLLS has probably hundreds of people who were massively overweight, started lifting, and now look great. But in all honestly, it doesn't matter if it's walking, lifting weights, or line dancing for all I care. The guy needs to get active physically. Ease his way into it of course, but he needs to break a sweat, get his heart pumping, and burn some calories. And he needs to do it regularly. This is poo poo that doesn't cost a dime and only costs time (which Benny has a lot of).
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Sep 14, 2013 00:37
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Niwrad posted:YLLS has probably hundreds of people who were massively overweight, started lifting, and now look great. But in all honestly, it doesn't matter if it's walking, lifting weights, or line dancing for all I care. The guy needs to get active physically. Ease his way into it of course, but he needs to break a sweat, get his heart pumping, and burn some calories. And he needs to do it regularly. This is poo poo that doesn't cost a dime and only costs time (which Benny has a lot of). Benny, listen to this poster, they are smart. Also, working out will make you feel better, Benny! It might even make you sharper mentally, I know that once I started eating better, drinking more water, and working out I became like 200% more on top of things, both at work and at home. Also, I have a shitload more energy. I used to nap every day for 2-3 hours after work, now I don't nap at all and have tons of free time to do stuff!
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Sep 14, 2013 00:46
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Benny, if you can slam carts into cars you can lift weights.
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Sep 14, 2013 06:38
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To be honest, I don't think benny should be referred to the internet to lose weight.
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Sep 14, 2013 07:26
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natetimm posted:I don't want to nitpick you, but lifting weights can actually be really damaging to people depending on their body type, medical history, etc. For people that have been overweight for a long time, it's usually better to ease into some cardio and drop some of the weight before you go whole hog into weight lifting. With the added stress on your body from already being fat, it's much easier to do something like pull a muscle or hurt your back if you aren't careful. Benny's best bet to start off would probably be long walks or jogs and then move into weights after that. Besides, you control your routine. Weight lifting is as easy or hard on the body as you make it.
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Sep 14, 2013 17:14
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Accretionist posted:He'd be too fat to walk long before he's too fat to lift weights. Plus, it isn't high impact like jogging. Walking is very common in the success stories of the formerly huge, free, low-skill, easy to do spontaneously, and perfectly fine way for people starting from absolute zero to get into working out. Nothing Benny's said about his weight makes it sound like he's morbidly, mobility-limiting obese anyway so quit being such a loving sperg about somebody on the internet forgetting to say your hobby is the official number one best thing in every context. That's not the topic of this thread, Benny's staggering incompetence is. Benny don't answer any of this bullshit, don't you dare, take your meds, talk to your doc about side effects, and don't get distracted. Take your meds, Benny. Don't come back telling us how you dropped hundreds of dollars on an e-trainer and are applying for jobs as an olympic lifter. Take your meds, report on how med-taking is going.
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Sep 14, 2013 17:40
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:That's not the topic of this thread, Benny's staggering incompetence is. Also... quote:Nothing Benny's said about his weight makes it sound like he's morbidly, mobility-limiting obese anyway so quit being such a loving sperg about somebody on the internet forgetting to say your hobby is the official number one best thing in every context. E: Also, Natetimm's advice was bad enough I thought he might have posted it just to gently caress with Benny. That's why I responded. I'm not trying to toot my own horn; I'm trying to pitch exercise to a guy who'd benefit from it in the same way I did. Accretionist fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Sep 14, 2013 |
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Sep 14, 2013 18:05
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Accretionist posted:Good health helps everything, especially issues like his being self-conscious about his weight. I recall him giving shifty answers earlier in the thread that got some people to start trying to pin him down on the subject. If it messes with how he presents himself in an internet forum then it's definitely affecting how he presents himself in person. If you've been reading the thread from the beginning you should know that Benny has serious, debilitating issues with focus. None of us are doing him any favors at all trying to tell him to do more than one task at a time. No matter how wonderful exercise is, he is not capable of trying two new things at once. We all have to stop expecting him to be as functional as a regular person and give him advice that's on his level, one issue at a time. Right now Benny cannot work out, he cannot find a job, he needs to take his medication. His brain does not work right, he is mentally ill, he's not just some fatgoon who watches too much anime like you can usually safely assume in an E/N thread. Giving him any tasks to try, any posts to respond to that aren't focused on getting mentally healthy are not doing him any favors. Yes, you are right, a regular depressed person would benefit greatly from working out. Someday Benny will benefit greatly from working out. But right now he needs to deal with the fact that his brain doesn't work right. We all need to stop distracting him with infighting and one-size-fits all advice and respect the fact that Benny needs to take his medication.
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Sep 14, 2013 18:37
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Yeah, walking and
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Sep 14, 2013 19:01
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Dex posted:Yeah, walking and When you're clinically depressed to the point that you've lost all interest in the few things you've enjoyed in your life (in Benny's case, he's said as much in regards to his hobby writings), then actually it is. Anyone that's ever suffered from severe depression can easily tell you that there are days when even getting yourself out of bed can be the biggest accomplishment you manage because all you want to do is lay there and stop existing. Benny, chin up. Remember, there are people out there (and in this thread) that do want you to do well. Keep going to therapy and doing what you've been doing. As always, remember that I'm here if you need someone to chat with, even though I don't always have advice I know it can be good to just have a sympathetic ear sometimes.
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Sep 14, 2013 19:39
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That drat Satyr posted:
Also, Benny has said that he is overweight, but he also rides his bike a lot so he's probably not out of control overweight. I'm not discouraging him from any kind of exercise but I do think it should be noted that he's not completely sedentary, for whatever that is worth to him and his progress on any front.
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Sep 14, 2013 20:02
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That drat Satyr posted:When you're clinically depressed to the point that you've lost all interest in the few things you've enjoyed in your life (in Benny's case, he's said as much in regards to his hobby writings), then actually it is. Anyone that's ever suffered from severe depression can easily tell you that there are days when even getting yourself out of bed can be the biggest accomplishment you manage because all you want to do is lay there and stop existing. Well thankfully E/N is here to tell Benny that rather than trying to walk around for a bit, he can read comic books and do gently caress all else until he 'feels better'. Trying things is hard, so don't, in my opinion.
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Sep 14, 2013 20:04
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Dex posted:Well thankfully E/N is here to tell Benny that rather than trying to walk around for a bit, he can read comic books and do gently caress all else until he 'feels better'. Trying things is hard, so don't, in my opinion. Giving up every beneficial thing in life that you enjoy must happen immoderately because you can't find a job and are a little overweight is obviously the right answer then. Sorry I misunderstood. You seem to not get the idea that when someone is depressed to the point that they're basically disabled they need to have something they find enjoyable in their life. In Benny's case, the creative outlet of writing is something he really enjoys, even if he might not necessarily be "good" at it. Think about it like your crazy uncle that likes to build model cars - sure, they don't come out looking like they do on the box but it's something to spend time doing, that lets you renew yourself and fuel some energy in a creative manner. Creativity is a necessary outlet for human beings, and when they have that cut off they become depressed and don't want to do poo poo.
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That drat Satyr posted:Giving up every beneficial thing in life that you enjoy must happen immoderately because you can't find a job and are a little overweight is obviously the right answer then. Sorry I misunderstood. Yep, I totally said he has to discard all material possessions and begin walking the earth in search of The Answer. I'm not at all implying that the guy who posted "Right now Benny cannot work out, he cannot find a job, he needs to take his medication" is giving lovely advice or anything. Thank you for understanding, and for explaining that creativity is a thing Humans need.
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Sep 14, 2013 20:19
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Dex posted:Yep, I totally said he has to discard all material possessions and begin walking the earth in search of The Answer. I'm not at all implying that the guy who posted "Right now Benny cannot work out, he cannot find a job, he needs to take his medication" is giving lovely advice or anything. Thank you for understanding, and for explaining that creativity is a thing Humans need. It's not lovely advice, you're just too stupid to understand what "mentally ill" means. We've had an entire thread documenting Benny's mental problems, his inability to prioritize tasks, his habit of latching onto irrelevant comments instead of important next steps, his wavering commitment to his medication/therapy program, and his general, unmistakable, low-functioning existence right now. I know you feel good being captain harddick rubbing out the same advice you'd give any other person who didn't ask for it, but severely mentally ill people, which Benny has an actual medical diagnosis of being, have different priorities than your fat rear end.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:It's not lovely advice, you're just too stupid to understand what "mentally ill" means. We've had an entire thread documenting Benny's mental problems, his inability to prioritize tasks, his habit of latching onto irrelevant comments instead of important next steps, his wavering commitment to his medication/therapy program, and his general, unmistakable, low-functioning existence right now. I know you feel good being captain harddick rubbing out the same advice you'd give any other person who didn't ask for it, but severely mentally ill people, which Benny has an actual medical diagnosis of being, have different priorities than your fat rear end. Yeah, you caught me, I'm supremely loving fat, well done. I'm sorry for assuming that Benny might, just possibly, be capable of both remembering to take medication AND put one foot in front of the other sometimes instead of treating him like the absolute waste of genetic material all mentally ill people are. Benny, I am very sorry for thinking you'd be able to try to do a thing, but in my defense, I am A. Hitler(the a is for ableism). Please refer to forums poster Tiny Brontosaurus for future advice rather than trying to do anything under your own initiative, or discussing it with a therapist if your sadbrain is severe enough to stop you from walking around.
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Sep 14, 2013 20:45
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Oh for gently caress's sake. Benny, please continue to prioritize your mental health and the medication regimen that helps you. Meanwhile, on lovely sunny days please think about maybe going for a walk once in a while. If you find them to be something you enjoy, you'll naturally do them more often and that will be a good thing. Also, salads can be yummy. You have to eat anyway, so you might as well give them a try.
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Benny should also consider joining a low-pressure local sports team. Bowling, softball, whatever. Having a team schedule will help motivate him to attend when he doesn't feel like it, and he'll meet new people in the process.
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echopapa posted:Benny should also consider joining a low-pressure local sports team. Bowling, softball, whatever. Having a team schedule will help motivate him to attend when he doesn't feel like it, and he'll meet new people in the process. I don't know man, bowling? What if he really really likes it? Likes it so much that he buys his own shoes, and buys his own ball. Just think of it: Benny wandering the streets with 16 pound bowling ball. Do you really want that on your conscience?
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gently caress the ROW posted:Yes, in fact every time you draw a breath. This is how a lot of fat people die when their heart or lungs can no longer keep up with the demands of lifting their disgusting body. Maybe you should stop body-shaming and offer some serious advice instead?
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HonkyDong posted:Maybe you should stop body-shaming and offer some serious advice instead? Actually, public shaming is a great way to stop bigots and fat people from being that way.
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Hey Benny forget being an adult with a job, career or future. These folks seem to believe that anything beyond "pill in mouth, sip of water, swallow" is impossible for you. Just keep taking your meds and maybe join a local sports team if it isn't too hard for you. What's that? You have bills to pay and student loans to pay off and you want to leave your parents house sometime before 50? No, no, no, EN. has decided that taking pills and maybe walking around a block will be all it takes to support an adult and is all your frail, dumb body can handle, they want you to have less responsibility than an 8 yr old with chores, nothing but solid advice here.
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Sep 16, 2013 01:43
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I think he should work out by going for a jog and making a calendar thingie where he marks on the calendar every day he jogs so he can watch the tic marks accumulate and feel a healthy sense of pride.
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Sep 16, 2013 02:56
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Dr. Lariat posted:Hey Benny forget being an adult with a job, career or future. These folks seem to believe that anything beyond "pill in mouth, sip of water, swallow" is impossible for you. For gently caress's sake, there's this idea called "one step at a time"? He won't be successful at having a job and living on his own until he gets his mental health in check. We've had something like 75 pages to see that trying to work on that poo poo all at once is not working out for him. How are you actually so loving stupid you can't understand why a mentally ill person might need to wait for their medication to kick in before taking other major steps in their life? Why is anyone even commenting in this thread who doesn't know what "psychosis" means? Seriously, what the gently caress are you getting out of this? What possible benefit is there to you to throw fits about people telling a mentally ill person to focus on the treatment for his mental illness? Are you a scientologist? Bet the rent money against Benny's life ever improving? Insufferable shut-in goonlord who can only comprehend life through a set of arbitrary rules you got secondhand from other insufferable shut-in goonlords? Give me one good reason why "hey Benny try not to let the chatter in this thread distract you from doing what your doctor told you, since that should be your top priority right now" is such a huge goddamned affront to your sensibilities that you've just gotta postpostpost about it even if you have to make up the other side of the argument in order to do it? Or save time and just explain to me what colossal failure of the modern education system left you believing the definition of "right now" is "forever and ever and to the exclusion of all other things"?
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Did that same mental illness keep him from completing college? Yes/ no? I suppose teeny tiny baby steps makes sense in a world where everything is taken care of you by some kind of caretaker. In the real world bills have to be paid and poo poo has to get done at some point, it'd be great to sit in our parents house until 24 reading comics and making sweet movie of the month posts but eventually life has to start. Benny is an adult, an adult who was competent enough to complete his education, he is not a baby or invalid, to treat him as such is quite insulting to what he has accomplished on his own before this thread was ever posted. What side of the argument am I making up? Are there not a page of posts telling Benny to take his meds and worry about nothing else? There are even posts against physical activity. I have to postpostpost as you put it because every other page is someone saying "it's okay Benny, take your meds and the rest will work itself out eventually." Benny is not a child, he is an adult and the thought of an adult short of suffering from ravaging sickness, complete mental handicap or full on paralysis having their daily to-do list consist of 1. Take meds 2. Repeat tomorrow. is drat shameful, as long as the majority of posts are enabling and supporting Benny to continue a life of nothing I will continue to pop in and remind Benny that he started this thread with a purpose in mind and as of right now he is no closer to the goal of "moving out" than he was the night his comics were put in danger. E: At any rate consider my postpostposting to be a good indicator of the amount of piss flowing into Benny's well. Dr. Lariat fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Sep 16, 2013 |
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Seriously, what the gently caress are you getting out of this? What possible benefit is there to you to throw fits about people telling a mentally ill person to focus on the treatment for his mental illness? Literally nobody said "hey Benny, quit your pills and hail Satan six six six", hope that helps. Edit: benny, you should continue taking your pills, but also hail Satan. Dex fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Sep 16, 2013 |
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Sep 16, 2013 04:41
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I agree, Satan is the answer. Benny have you considered selling your soul to the dark lord?
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Sep 16, 2013 04:45
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Dr. Lariat posted:I agree, Satan is the answer. Benny have you considered selling your soul to the dark lord? We have seen Benny negotiate. Do you really think he can get the worth of his soul at the bargaining table?
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Dr. Lariat posted:Did that same mental illness keep him from completing college? Mental illnesses frequently manifest or become more severe in a person's mid-twenties, so this is completely meaningless. You're ignorant, go post in a thread about a subject you aren't ignorant in, if there is one.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Mental illnesses frequently manifest or become more severe in a person's mid-twenties, so this is completely meaningless. You're ignorant, go post in a thread about a subject you aren't ignorant in, if there is one. Funny, so does adulthood and responsibilities. To continue on with my terrible, inexcusable ignorance, would you propose that the same focus and clarity of mind Benny sorely lacks due to his mental illness only manifest when he's expected to do things like look for a job and then suddenly regress when it's time to write another in depth movie of the month OP in CD or all the writing he does for The Reptile Reviewer, writing in depth reviews for comics and film and other such errata? Arguments I'm uninterested in aside I intend to stick to my guns of "telling an unmotivated person that does nothing it's okay to do nothing is the opposite of helping" but I'm ignorant so Benny you've got the goon approval for another 6 months of nothing, enjoy it, sooner or later life won't give you that choice. Dr. Lariat fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Sep 16, 2013 |
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Dr. Lariat posted:Funny, so does adulthood and responsibilities. To continue on with my terrible, inexcusable ignorance, would you propose that the same focus and clarity of mind Benny sorely lacks due to his mental illness only manifest when he's expected to do things like look for a job and then suddenly regress when it's time to write another in depth movie of the month OP in CD or all the writing he does for The Reptile Reviewer, writing in depth reviews for comics and film and other such errata? Man that is not what errata means and I called Benny out on it too. Benny's done a lot in the past year. It's just that none of it has been successful. Goons aren't telling him "never do anything hard," they're saying "since the hard poo poo kicks your rear end so badly, focus on the easy poo poo first so you at least have a good foundation."
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Sigma-X posted:Man that is not what errata means and I called Benny out on it too. I know, that's why I used that specific word, callbacks! Although I do not disagree with your post, it is not how I've perceiving the tone of the thread, could just be me though. I've been watching this thread so long it's hard not to drop in once a week, see the same as last week and decide, this well looks ripe for another piss. Dr. Lariat fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Sep 16, 2013 |
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Sigma-X posted:Man that is not what errata means and I called Benny out on it too. Yeah. I think trying to improve EVERYTHING AT ONCE is just setting up for failure. Even my therapist said one or two things at a time. Build habits, not do something like 'scads of frantic self improvement, then give up when you can't keep up the zealous energy'. If he has to start at attending therapy and taking medications daily, that's where he starts. That's all. He'll get there.
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