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Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

Ernutetnoiraud posted:

You're making a mistake here. Crowdsourcing and crowdfunding aren't the same thing.

D'oh

Although I will point out that Wikipedia defines crowdfunding as a type of crowdsourcing.

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Tubgirl Cosplay: Jan 10, 2011; by Ion Helmet

Sounds more like it's Wikipediatry, which explains why she wants to ruin jokes for a living.

# ? Sep 14, 2013 17:25

DoctorPresident: Jul 21, 2012

Tubgirl Cosplay posted:

Sounds more like it's Wikipediatry, which explains why she wants to ruin jokes for a living.

I've heard that one before.

# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:27

neongrey: Feb 28, 2007; Plaguing your posts with incidental music.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

D'oh

Although I will point out that Wikipedia defines crowdfunding as a type of crowdsourcing.

Yeah, but it's in the same sense that all squares are rectangles. Crowdfunding is a subset of crowdsourcing.

# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:29

Orzo: Sep 3, 2004; IT! IT is confusing! Say your goddamn pronouns!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/urbantrike/urbantrike-were-kind-of-a-big-wheel

Not sure whether or not I can hate something with such a great tagline.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 00:51

Noyemi K: Dec 9, 2012; youll always be so sleepy when youre this tiny *plompf*

Orzo posted:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/urbantrike/urbantrike-were-kind-of-a-big-wheel

Not sure whether or not I can hate something with such a great tagline.

Is adult trikes some new KS craze? Maybe I've just been seeing a lot of them lately, but I swear it's the new iPa(o)d poo poo and microwallet.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 03:56

Cerevisiae: Jul 19, 2009; I'll protect you, Mayor!

Noyemi K posted:

Is adult trikes some new KS craze? Maybe I've just been seeing a lot of them lately, but I swear it's the new iPa(o)d poo poo and microwallet.

If you're thinking of the one that was posted quite a while ago in this thread then I'm pretty sure it's the same one because I remember that terrible pun. It's definitely something to learn that they've managed to fund.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 04:02

Tubgirl Cosplay: Jan 10, 2011; by Ion Helmet

Ugggh and now it's funded.

Give it four months until someone launches a KS for Mancifiers, the manly pacifiers for grown men. They'll have an ironic handlebar moustache molded on the back or something.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 04:30

raditts: Feb 21, 2001; The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.

Tubgirl Cosplay posted:

Ugggh and now it's funded.

Give it four months until someone launches a KS for Mancifiers, the manly pacifiers for grown men. They'll have an ironic handlebar moustache molded on the back or something.

Shame they didn't have Kickstarter 10 years ago when raves were still a big thing, I guess.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 05:03

senrath: Nov 4, 2009; Look Professor, a destruct switch!

So, Story War. On the surface it doesn't look like something to post here, so let's get into why I am posting it here.

They had various cards available as cross promotions, pledge on both Story War and certain other projects and you'd get an additional card based on the other project. You'd also get all of the promo cards if you pledged for the "Deluxe" version of the game, which was $20 more expensive than the base set. A while after the Kickstarter ended, they revealed that every cross promotion backer would be getting the full Deluxe part of the game, regardless of what they pledged at. They did this because...

They didn't check with their printers about the cost of printing and shipping all of the cross promotion cards until after the Kickstarter had ended, when it was revealed that it would cost a lot more money to them individually than it would to just upgrade everyone. Without refunding the difference to the cross promo backers that also pledged for the Deluxe version, of course.

They offered expedited international shipping for $10 more, which they then decided to give everyone for free. Again, without refunding the people who paid for it.

Today it was revealed that the Print and Play demo of the expansion set would be delayed because their artist's computer broke, and they didn't have backups of a lot of the art.

They also revealed that they forgot to include one of the cross promo cards, so no one's going to get it because it's too late to have it printed due to cost.

In order to make things "right" with the people who were affected by one (or more) of these problems, they put together something they called a "whoops" list. Today they revealed that everyone on the list will be getting one month exclusive access to...some rather mediocre music based on some of the cards in the game. Music that will be released to anyone who wants it after that month, for whatever they want to pay for it. Yeah.

Edit: After taking more time to think on things, I no longer feel the way I did when I posted this. Please disregard.

senrath has a new favorite as of 20:43 on Sep 16, 2013

# ? Sep 15, 2013 05:18

theflyingorc: Jun 28, 2008; ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS; Young Orc

senrath posted:

So, Story War. On the surface it doesn't look like something to post here, so let's get into why I am posting it here.

They had various cards available as cross promotions, pledge on both Story War and certain other projects and you'd get an additional card based on the other project. You'd also get all of the promo cards if you pledged for the "Deluxe" version of the game, which was $20 more expensive than the base set. A while after the Kickstarter ended, they revealed that every cross promotion backer would be getting the full Deluxe part of the game, regardless of what they pledged at. They did this because...

They didn't check with their printers about the cost of printing and shipping all of the cross promotion cards until after the Kickstarter had ended, when it was revealed that it would cost a lot more money to them individually than it would to just upgrade everyone. Without refunding the difference to the cross promo backers that also pledged for the Deluxe version, of course.

They offered expedited international shipping for $10 more, which they then decided to give everyone for free. Again, without refunding the people who paid for it.

Today it was revealed that the Print and Play demo of the expansion set would be delayed because their artist's computer broke, and they didn't have backups of a lot of the art.

They also revealed that they forgot to include one of the cross promo cards, so no one's going to get it because it's too late to have it printed due to cost.

In order to make things "right" with the people who were affected by one (or more) of these problems, they put together something they called a "whoops" list. Today they revealed that everyone on the list will be getting one month exclusive access to...some rather mediocre music based on some of the cards in the game. Music that will be released to anyone who wants it after that month, for whatever they want to pay for it. Yeah.

There is absolutely no reason to refund anything, everyone got what they paid for at the agreed upon price, some people are just getting free bonuses. Whining because other people get what you got for less makes you a big baby.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 07:34

draconic: Mar 30, 2004

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/datyanderegirl/love-me-or-die?ref=recently_launched

# ? Sep 15, 2013 08:50

Noni: Jul 8, 2003; ASK ME ABOUT DEFRAUDING GOONS WITH HOT DOGS AND HOW I BANNED EPIC HAMCAT

draconic posted:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/datyanderegirl/love-me-or-die?ref=recently_launched

quote:

Why is there no video?

I cannot make a video of myself as people I live with sleep during the day and night due to their job. Everyone here works a day job and night job. People are asleep during the day and the night as you can see. Inplus, they don't want to be on camera.

He lives with one workaholic and one Snorlax and is physically trapped in a studio apartment with no walls. This is why there is no video.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 09:05

Noyemi K: Dec 9, 2012; youll always be so sleepy when youre this tiny *plompf*

draconic posted:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/datyanderegirl/love-me-or-die?ref=recently_launched

I like how there's one good image, and all the rest are in completely different, horrifying styles.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 09:40

Fauxtool: Oct 21, 2008; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

it almost like these people arent really talented and most of their "original do not steal art" Is actually pieces of other stolen assets

Fauxtool has a new favorite as of 09:46 on Sep 15, 2013

# ? Sep 15, 2013 09:42

Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

Noyemi K posted:

I like how there's one good image, and all the rest are in completely different, horrifying styles.

Each illustration is by a different random person from some forum and isn't even representative of what will be in the finished game. She currently has absolutely zero assets:

quote:

The game is currently in the process of having the story written, the graphics done, and finding original fitting music.

I guess she has a title but she ripped that off a CW Stoneking song.

Snowglobe of Doom has a new favorite as of 09:54 on Sep 15, 2013

# ? Sep 15, 2013 09:52

Aristophanes: Aug 11, 2012; Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever!

draconic posted:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/datyanderegirl/love-me-or-die?ref=recently_launched

I just can't stop looking at those eyebrows. What facial expression are they even going for here?

# ? Sep 15, 2013 10:03

Fatkraken: Jun 23, 2005; Fun-time is over.

theflyingorc posted:

There is absolutely no reason to refund anything, everyone got what they paid for at the agreed upon price, some people are just getting free bonuses. Whining because other people get what you got for less makes you a big baby.

If you offer something as an exclusive and charge money for it, then start giving it away for free, people who paid have a right to get upset, because they were lead to believe that paying was the only way to get it.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 10:04

Noyemi K: Dec 9, 2012; youll always be so sleepy when youre this tiny *plompf*

Aristophanes posted:

I just can't stop looking at those eyebrows. What facial expression are they even going for here?

So pissed off, that you shoot lightning from your eyes mad. A lot of japanese girls have blue eyes right? She mentioned this takes place at a Japanese high school somewhere (hey, the town doesn't matter, all high schools in Japan are the same right?)

# ? Sep 15, 2013 10:05

ookiimarukochan: Apr 4, 2011

Aristophanes posted:

I just can't stop looking at those eyebrows. What facial expression are they even going for here?

"Chola"

# ? Sep 15, 2013 10:11

ohgodwhat: Aug 6, 2005

Fatkraken posted:

If you offer something as an exclusive and charge money for it, then start giving it away for free, people who paid have a right to get upset, because they were lead to believe that paying was the only way to get it.

This is the reasoning behind Planetary Annihilation being $90 on Steam. I don't think that's a great outcome.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 10:51

Fatkraken: Jun 23, 2005; Fun-time is over.

ohgodwhat posted:

This is the reasoning behind Planetary Annihilation being $90 on Steam. I don't think that's a great outcome.

I think the price of a core product changing is to be expected, loads of games and electronics go down in price mere months after being launched, and plenty of games endup in pay-what-you-want bundles so people could get them effectively for free if they wanted.

In this case though, weren't the cards basically touted as an exclusive donation bonus? I think that's the issue. Imagine a CCG card, like a magic the gathering card, being offered as a bonus when you buy a MTG videogame for $10, but then the stores have a bunch left over and literally just give them away to anyone who wants one. In that instance I think people would get miffed, because the entire reason for the card existing was as a special bonus to people who bought the game. It really depends on how it was worded and what people were led to expect.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 11:05

Croccers: Jun 15, 2012

Fatkraken posted:

In this case though, weren't the cards basically touted as an exclusive donation bonus? I think that's the issue. Imagine a CCG card, like a magic the gathering card, being offered as a bonus when you buy a MTG videogame for $10, but then the stores have a bunch left over and literally just give them away to anyone who wants one. In that instance I think people would get miffed, because the entire reason for the card existing was as a special bonus to people who bought the game. It really depends on how it was worded and what people were led to expect.

Didn't that actually happen? Because that sounds familiar.
This is the closest I could find :shrug:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1263

# ? Sep 15, 2013 11:24

Fatkraken: Jun 23, 2005; Fun-time is over.

Croccers posted:

Didn't that actually happen? Because that sounds familiar.
This is the closest I could find http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1263

Do you mean exclusive cards coming with MTG video games? Yes, that's a thing they do all the time hence using it as an example. If you mean those exclusive cards later being given away to everyone, whether they'd bought the game or not, then no, I haven't heard of that happening*

(*there was a time when the code you got from the game wasn't actually necessary to get a copy of the card because the widget on the website that accepted said code was broken and would give you the preorder WHATEVER you typed in, but this was a coding mistake not a deliberate policy)

# ? Sep 15, 2013 11:29

Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

senrath posted:

So, Story War. On the surface it doesn't look like something to post here, so let's get into why I am posting it here.

They had various cards available as cross promotions, pledge on both Story War and certain other projects and you'd get an additional card based on the other project. You'd also get all of the promo cards if you pledged for the "Deluxe" version of the game, which was $20 more expensive than the base set. A while after the Kickstarter ended, they revealed that every cross promotion backer would be getting the full Deluxe part of the game, regardless of what they pledged at. They did this because...

They didn't check with their printers about the cost of printing and shipping all of the cross promotion cards until after the Kickstarter had ended, when it was revealed that it would cost a lot more money to them individually than it would to just upgrade everyone. Without refunding the difference to the cross promo backers that also pledged for the Deluxe version, of course.

They offered expedited international shipping for $10 more, which they then decided to give everyone for free. Again, without refunding the people who paid for it.

Today it was revealed that the Print and Play demo of the expansion set would be delayed because their artist's computer broke, and they didn't have backups of a lot of the art.

They also revealed that they forgot to include one of the cross promo cards, so no one's going to get it because it's too late to have it printed due to cost.

In order to make things "right" with the people who were affected by one (or more) of these problems, they put together something they called a "whoops" list. Today they revealed that everyone on the list will be getting one month exclusive access to...some rather mediocre music based on some of the cards in the game. Music that will be released to anyone who wants it after that month, for whatever they want to pay for it. Yeah.

You forgot to add:

Everyone got bunches and bunches of extra stuff with their orders that the creators didn't have to include
There's only three people working on this project and they obviously got completely overwhelmed when they raised 18 times more than their base goal
The project creators were very open and apologetic about their mistakes and tried to make amends as best they could
The 'exclusive' cards are still Kickstarter exclusive and won't be available to people who buy the game after the KS project ends

Complaining that you're missing out on one card which they promised when they gave you approximately an extra 100 cards and a bunch of other things which weren't included at the start is sour grapes. "They said they'd give me 100 more cards than I paid for but I only got 99 free cards, screw those bastards!!!"

Also note that this isn't a competitive card game like Pokemon and it's only played for fun so having any extra cards doesn't give anyone any advantage except possibly giving them a little extra enjoyment in their game. They also included a bunch of blank cards as bonuses so anyone could have made their own version of those cards for themselves.
I guess if you were planning on selling the 'exclusive' cards on eBay I can see how you'd be upset that they gave them out to more people.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 12:00

ookiimarukochan: Apr 4, 2011

ohgodwhat posted:

This is the reasoning behind Planetary Annihilation being $90 on Steam. I don't think that's a great outcome.

$90 for the alpha - it's something like the "slacker backer" option that many successful kickstarters have added during production. I cannot imagine anyone reasonable being upset by that.

For Project Fedora, when the backers made it very clear that they didn't want a special easter egg to be exclusive to a certain level of backer, Big Finish switched it out for a DIFFERENT bonus - that's what these guys should have done (but given their other mistakes I assume they don't have the planning nous to pull it off)

# ? Sep 15, 2013 12:11

cyberia: Jun 24, 2011; Do not call me that!
Snuffles was my slave name.
You shall now call me Snowball; because my fur is pretty and white.

Tubgirl Cosplay posted:

Ugggh and now it's funded.

Give it four months until someone launches a KS for Mancifiers, the manly pacifiers for grown men. They'll have an ironic handlebar moustache molded on the back or something.

They don't need a kickstarter.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 14:00

Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

cyberia posted:

They don't need a kickstarter.

There's even a similar dog toy:

# ? Sep 15, 2013 14:25

Bobo the Red: Aug 14, 2004; Lay off the marmot

senrath posted:

So, Story War. On the surface it doesn't look like something to post here, so let's get into why I am posting it here.

They had various cards available as cross promotions, pledge on both Story War and certain other projects and you'd get an additional card based on the other project. You'd also get all of the promo cards if you pledged for the "Deluxe" version of the game, which was $20 more expensive than the base set. A while after the Kickstarter ended, they revealed that every cross promotion backer would be getting the full Deluxe part of the game, regardless of what they pledged at. They did this because...

They didn't check with their printers about the cost of printing and shipping all of the cross promotion cards until after the Kickstarter had ended, when it was revealed that it would cost a lot more money to them individually than it would to just upgrade everyone. Without refunding the difference to the cross promo backers that also pledged for the Deluxe version, of course.

They offered expedited international shipping for $10 more, which they then decided to give everyone for free. Again, without refunding the people who paid for it.

Today it was revealed that the Print and Play demo of the expansion set would be delayed because their artist's computer broke, and they didn't have backups of a lot of the art.

They also revealed that they forgot to include one of the cross promo cards, so no one's going to get it because it's too late to have it printed due to cost.

In order to make things "right" with the people who were affected by one (or more) of these problems, they put together something they called a "whoops" list. Today they revealed that everyone on the list will be getting one month exclusive access to...some rather mediocre music based on some of the cards in the game. Music that will be released to anyone who wants it after that month, for whatever they want to pay for it. Yeah.

I was supposed to get a Deluxe game if I did some of the cross-promotions? Damnit!

# ? Sep 15, 2013 15:50

theflyingorc: Jun 28, 2008; ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS; Young Orc

Fatkraken posted:

If you offer something as an exclusive and charge money for it, then start giving it away for free, people who paid have a right to get upset, because they were lead to believe that paying was the only way to get it.

Not really. You're literally upset that other people are getting a bonus.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 15:55

Fatkraken: Jun 23, 2005; Fun-time is over.

theflyingorc posted:

Not really. You're literally upset that other people are getting a bonus.

It's annoying when someone gets something for free when you paid for it, and were told you had to pay for it to get it. It's not them getting it for free that's annoying, it's you NOT getting it for free.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 16:15

monster on a stick: Apr 29, 2013

Fatkraken posted:

It's annoying when someone gets something for free when you paid for it, and were told you had to pay for it to get it. It's not them getting it for free that's annoying, it's you NOT getting it for free.

What would you consider an acceptable mea culpa? Also I fail to see why this is an awful Kickstarter, someone is shipping their product and giving extras to backers, including a soundtrack that they've created specifically because they aren't giving enough extras away?

# ? Sep 15, 2013 16:23

theflyingorc: Jun 28, 2008; ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS; Young Orc

Fatkraken posted:

It's annoying when someone gets something for free when you paid for it, and were told you had to pay for it to get it. It's not them getting it for free that's annoying, it's you NOT getting it for free.

Which is completely irrational and unreasonable. You got what was promised at the promised price. You're promoting Tea Party logic right now.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 16:27

Fatkraken: Jun 23, 2005; Fun-time is over.

theflyingorc posted:

Which is completely irrational and unreasonable. You got what was promised at the promised price. You're promoting Tea Party logic right now.

Companies have literally given away free poo poo to early adopters when there was a huge price drop almost immediately after launch.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1936791.stm

# ? Sep 15, 2013 16:52

SomeJazzyRat: Nov 2, 2012; Hmmm...

Fatkraken posted:

It's annoying when someone gets something for free when you paid for it, and were told you had to pay for it to get it. It's not them getting it for free that's annoying, it's you NOT getting it for free.

Dude, I paid the extra to get that deluxe edition, and I just don't care. Good on the other people for getting a free upgrade, good will and all that. poo poo happens, and the best they and you can do is roll with it. I know this is all just IMHO, but you don't have to be a dick just because a club is a little less exclusive.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 17:08

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK: Sep 11, 2008; Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola
-Cheap Trick; Nap Ghost

The upgrade wasn't entirely free. The promotions were "We'll give you card X if you also back/backed Kickstarter Y. You'll still get card X if you picked the deluxe set.".

# ? Sep 15, 2013 17:20

theflyingorc: Jun 28, 2008; ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS; Young Orc

Fatkraken posted:

Companies have literally given away free poo poo to early adopters when there was a huge price drop almost immediately after launch.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1936791.stm

Because they know that people are irrational. Explain in what way they wronged the backers and then we can talk about restitution.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 17:34

raditts: Feb 21, 2001; The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.

theflyingorc posted:

Because they know that people are irrational. Explain in what way they wronged the backers and then we can talk about restitution.

I guess by convincing people to give extra money for what turned out to be no good reason, but I don't really have a dog in this fight.

# ? Sep 15, 2013 17:49

keithy george: Jan 8, 2008

I can't believe I'm the one doing this but I think Jesus covered this in the parable of the vineyard workers

# ? Sep 15, 2013 18:31

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# ? May 14, 2024 23:29

senrath: Nov 4, 2009; Look Professor, a destruct switch!

I really should've explained better when I made that post, but I was tired and a little cranky. See, my big problem with how things turned out with Story War wasn't that I'm not getting everything I "paid" for (really, donated for). My problem is their apparent uncaring attitude towards these problems.

First off, the Kickstarter ended in March. It wasn't until last week that it was revealed that any cross promotional backers that backed at the Deluxe level effectively donated $20 more than (at least some of them) would have. Their response to this was to put together a list of everyone affected, and they'd be getting a month early access to something neat! But, oh, wait, after that month it's free to anyone.

Then yesterday they revealed that no one would be getting the Rogue card, and declared that it was too late to do anything, sorry, everyone affected also gets access to the neat thing, which turns out to be some music they're making based on the location cards in the game.

So to sum up, I'm not too annoyed that the mistakes happened (although one of them could have been prevented if they'd asked about printing costs of their promo stuff ahead of time), I'm annoyed at their responses to the mistakes.

Edit: After taking more time to think on things, I no longer feel the way I did when I posted this. Please disregard.

senrath has a new favorite as of 20:42 on Sep 16, 2013

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