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Sep 13, 2013 05:58
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People dont smoke weed in Japan? I dont even smoke weed and that still seems strange to me.
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Sep 13, 2013 06:14
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Berke Negri posted:People dont smoke weed in Japan? I dont even smoke weed and that still seems strange to me. A lot of Asian countries have incredibly strict laws about drugs and their use mostly because of history. The result is that they drink like fish. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ poo poo, forgot about the Japanese and possibly North Korean love of Meth. I know the Japanese have been using meth since the end of WWII. LP97S fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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Sep 13, 2013 06:17
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Amphetamines are the drug of choice in Japan. After alcohol, of course.
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Sep 13, 2013 06:19
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Work makes people abandon their families, spend hours in seedy places and drink and smoke too much Imagine what drugs would do.
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Sep 13, 2013 06:32
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LP97S posted:A lot of Asian countries have incredibly strict laws about drugs and their use mostly because of history. The result is that they drink like fish. Are drinking rates really that high in East Asia? I often hear remarks to that effect, but is there evidence to back it up?
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Sep 13, 2013 06:43
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Samuelthebold posted:What Japan really needs is its own Colbert Report. Sure does. Good luck finding a network that would go anywhere near it, though. I vaguely remember some kind of comedy troupe or something that does an on-stage thing where they parody politicians and such, but I've never seen it so I don't know anything about the degree of parodying.
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Sep 13, 2013 06:46
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Bloodnose posted:The money is the only explanation I could figure out because I just don't see anything nearly as awesome as American TV programming coming out of other countries, including ones like Canada and the UK that have similar artistic environments. It was in the other thread, Ask me about shooting porn. The OP there was worshiping Japanese production houses. They spend good money on doing the craziest creative production angles, make up, and lighting. The average production quality in photo shoots are much much higher than the rest of the world. And then there's anime  A lot of money spent there.
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Sep 13, 2013 07:21
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Anime and porn both have huge revenue streams not associated with primetime advertising. I'd also be surprised if any anime shows, even One Piece, had a high per-episode budget.
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Sep 13, 2013 07:29
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dilbertschalter posted:Are drinking rates really that high in East Asia? I often hear remarks to that effect, but is there evidence to back it up? Well it looks like I was mistaken about Japan, according to WHO the yearly average consumption is 8.03 liters per capita over the age of 15. That's pretty low on the list. South Korea on the other hand has a yearly average of 14.8 liters a year. Only 12 other countries, mostly Eastern Euro countries, beat em. The main reason for South Korea consumption is this little gem called Soju, a diluted spirit that's 20% abv and costs a whopping 1,000 Won ($1 USD) for a 375ml bottle. It's drank with everything, literally everything. Apparently it's estimated that 20 year old and older Koreans drank 90 bottles a year in 2006.
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Sep 13, 2013 08:10
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For Japan I think it's more of an amount drank at one time thing than a total amount drunk thing. Go to a party with your work buddies, get wasted for social/job obligation reasons.
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Sep 13, 2013 08:14
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I imagine the average tolerance for alcohol is lower compared to westerners. Being able to get smashed on a few beers instead of say, 8, would make a difference in yearly consumption rates (I imagine). The weed things in Japan is pretty hush-hush. You can definitely get it if you know where to look or who to talk to. I hear the Izu Peninsula has weed everywhere and all you need to do is ask some surfers on the beaches along the coast. I told one of my teachers about Oregon and Colorado legalizing weed and she immediately said she was afraid to go there now. I kinda chuckled and asked why alcohol was so much safer, only to be given the head-tilt stare.
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Sep 13, 2013 09:01
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Trivia posted:I imagine the average tolerance for alcohol is lower compared to westerners. Being able to get smashed on a few beers instead of say, 8, would make a difference in yearly consumption rates (I imagine). To be fair, a lot of people who grew up in Middle America think the exact same way. Potheads are going to smoke all their reefer then drive to the store while high and cause accidents.
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Sep 13, 2013 09:06
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That said, dudes driving 35 miles a hour down the freeway are kind of annoying.
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Sep 13, 2013 10:25
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Trivia posted:I told one of my teachers about Washington and Colorado legalizing weed Fixed that for you. :dogdrugs: I've been able to frame it in terms of the drug war, pulling the rug out from under drug lords as it were. I guess they can get behind taking down Los Zetas more than taking down Cheech and Chong. I wonder if you can even find those movies for rental here? Reverend Cheddar fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2013 12:07
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The best thing is watching Japanese exchange students leaving for America thinking that weed is as dangerous as crack, only to return to Japan 11 months later as full-blown stoners.LP97S posted:Well it looks like I was mistaken about Japan, according to WHO the yearly average consumption is 8.03 liters per capita over the age of 15. That's pretty low on the list. South Korea on the other hand has a yearly average of 14.8 liters a year. Only 12 other countries, mostly Eastern Euro countries, beat em. The main reason for South Korea consumption is this little gem called Soju, a diluted spirit that's 20% abv and costs a whopping 1,000 Won ($1 USD) for a 375ml bottle. It's drank with everything, literally everything. Apparently it's estimated that 20 year old and older Koreans drank 90 bottles a year in 2006. You didn't provide a link and I'm not about to go digging on Google, but let me say that you have to be very careful when looking at Japan in international rankings, especially if the numbers are self-reported, as they are in the example I'm about to provide: Check out this chart I pulled off the OECD website and find the (government-reported) hours worked per person per year for Japan. It's 1745 hours per year. Divide that by 50 (legally mandated if oft-unused ten days of nenkyu and all that). What number do you get? 34.9 hours a week, nearly the exact ideal number of hours worked per week if nobody did overtime and everyone took the labor standards law-required 45 minutes of break. You can look at that from two points of view - either Japan's numbers are being falsified somewhere in the process of reporting, or the numbers are correct but there are so many people working irregular jobs with short hours (pa-to and the like) that they are able to offset the hordes of people that every one of us knows exist who are sitting at their jobs 12-14 hours a day, six days a week. Now look at the data for Korea. 2163 hours/year, divided by 50, is 43.26 hours a week. That looks a bit closer to reality. So yeah, always make sure you check the footnotes and note who is reporting those numbers to the international organizations compiling statistics. Edit: stats are from http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DatasetCode=LEVEL Sheep fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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Sep 13, 2013 13:49
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Bloodnose posted:I'd also be surprised if any anime shows, even One Piece, had a high per-episode budget. Stand-Alone Complex did - but that had a stupid number of revenue streams - PPV airing THEN DVD release THEN Free-to-air THEN overseas, and all of the animated GITS projects are built on making most of their money overseas.
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Sep 13, 2013 13:58
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Cartoons are cheap to produce, except in the US. I actually don't understand how US TV shows are so expensive. It seems like even taiga dramas are cheaper than US sitcoms. The only Japanese TV show I can think of that was actually expensive to produce by US standards was Saka no Ue no Kumo.
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Sep 13, 2013 14:17
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Reverend Cheddar posted:Fixed that for you. Husky pride :dogdrugs: Ah! My bad. I haven't followed the story at all since I heard about it.
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Sep 13, 2013 14:36
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Sheep posted:The best thing is watching Japanese exchange students leaving for America thinking that weed is as dangerous as crack, only to return to Japan 11 months later as full-blown stoners. Well, part time work is far more common Japan than Korea. I'm not saying that accounts for all the difference, but it does make up a significant fraction of it. On the specific topic of alcohol consumption, the data on drinking is split into recorded and "unrecorded" consumption and it claims the latter is very low in Japan. http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alcohol_report/msbgsruprofiles.pdf
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Sep 13, 2013 14:57
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Sheep posted:The best thing is watching Japanese exchange students leaving for America thinking that weed is as dangerous as crack, only to return to Japan 11 months later as full-blown stoners. I really don't understand why you're throwing facts about working at me, I was just saying that East-Asians like to drink. I was under the false assumption that Japanese people drank as much as Koreans and I was way off. I got most of my data from the wikipage here which is derived from this pdf by WHO.
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Sep 13, 2013 15:12
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LP97S posted:I really don't understand why you're throwing facts about working at me, I was just saying that East-Asians like to drink. I was under the false assumption that Japanese people drank as much as Koreans and I was way off. I got most of my data from the wikipage here which is derived from this pdf by WHO. I'm saying don't blindly trust sources without checking where those sources are getting their numbers, and using facts about working data as an example. Self-reported statistics can be pretty unreliable and/or misleading. And yeah I think Korea is definitely a bit of an anomaly given how soju seems to be the thing you drink for any occasion. Sheep fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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Sep 13, 2013 15:50
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Japanese people don't drink as much by volume per capita as others I'm sure, but the drinking culture here is pretty toxic (doing athletics in a Japanese uni I ran into that plenty enough, and it stays pretty much the same once they start work) when they do drink.Sheep posted:The best thing is watching Japanese exchange students leaving for America thinking that weed is as dangerous as crack, only to return to Japan 11 months later as full-blown stoners. If by 'best thing' you mean annoying as all gently caress. Japanese kids expecting me to be super impressed that they went overseas and took a few tokes are seriously the most annoying fuckers imaginable.
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Sep 13, 2013 17:19
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mystes posted:Cartoons are cheap to produce, except in the US. The cost for cast, production staff, crew etc. are all astronomically higher in the US then most overseas 1st world countries. It might be general overhead but actor salaries must be a significant component. In Britain, almost all of the major TV stars are essentially owned by the BBC and get put to work on whatever the studio wants them to. The TV salaries in the UK are also a pittance relative to the US. When Patrick Stewart returned there after a few seasons of Star Trek everyone from his acting days and everyone in the business he'd meet would always immediately asked him how much they pay in the US and could he introduce them to someone who'd get them US roles. He did the math once and learned he made more during a 2 month break from production of Star Trek then 2 years of UK stage and screen roles. Amusingly enough, this is why some main cast members left Downton Abbey; their salaries don't change based on show popularity and they were worried about their career stagnating while attached to the show. I always assumed from the Japanese/Korean deluge of panel and celebrities in funny situations shows that something similar salary wise occurs in those countries.
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Sep 14, 2013 11:22
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pentyne posted:I always assumed from the Japanese/Korean deluge of panel and celebrities in funny situations shows that something similar salary wise occurs in those countries. I think that depends on what kind of pillar you're on in the celebrity world. Anyone in SMAP is probably going to make bank just by waking up in the morning and brushing their teeth. Otherwise, if you somehow gain a bit of fame as a tarento, you basically have to fight for exposure and make sure you can appear wherever you can as much as you can -- even more so if you very specifically have a single shtick, like Kintaro; and even better if it's a regular gig like hosting a show -- because you never know when everyone will get sick of you and you bottom out, thus ending the little salary you get. I want to say it was Shoko Nakagawa who described what they have to do and how she was always paranoid it would happen to her.
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Sep 14, 2013 13:21
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There was a show a few weeks ago where they went to various tarentos' apartments with that guy from London Hearts* and spent the night; most live in literal shoeboxes and have practically nothing after a decade plus in the business, not to mention being half-broke as well. If you're not in the top 1% then it seems you're pretty much making less than a fresh Nova teacher. Kintaro lives in a ridiculously tiny 1K, for example. Edit: Atsushi Tamura apparently. Sheep fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Sep 14, 2013 |
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Sep 14, 2013 13:40
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I wonder if the relatively better treatment of writers/actors/etc. in America has anything to do with the entertainment industry being one of America's primary income sources. I mean, other than the MIC, it's the only significant domestic industry America has left.
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Sep 14, 2013 18:43
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That's not really true, though. Despite the stereotype (and the real losses of jobs) US manufacturing is still top three, with its exact position depending on the study. Last one I saw it was EU, US, then China just below. The US entertainment industry is a big deal but it's hardly the only thing left.
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Sep 14, 2013 18:50
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That's true. I guess it's more that it's one of the few major non-MIC industries that hasn't had its unions completely gutted. 
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Sep 14, 2013 19:07
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What about high speed pizza delivery?
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Sep 14, 2013 21:00
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I once saw an interview with Dave Spector (in English, for a documentary) in which he candidly described the role of being a gaijin on TV as being like a panda in a zoo. He also said that he was making the equivalent of half a million dollars a year, and thus was perfectly content with being a panda. I guess that makes him one of the people at the top. Anyway, it's mid-September now, and that means it's time to get comfortable to watch what Prime Minister Abe promises to be an extraordinary autumn diet session. It's now or never for the so-called third arrow of Abenomics, aka the structural reforms. What are all of you anticipating?
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Sep 14, 2013 22:10
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Samuelthebold posted:What are all of you anticipating? Empty rhetoric, policy stalled by internal LDP factional squabbling and gently caress-all real reform.
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Sep 14, 2013 22:15
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pentyne posted:The cost for cast, production staff, crew etc. are all astronomically higher in the US then most overseas 1st world countries. It might be general overhead but actor salaries must be a significant component. In Britain, almost all of the major TV stars are essentially owned by the BBC and get put to work on whatever the studio wants them to. The TV star stuff you have here is pretty much wrong - if nothing else because Downton Abbey is done by ITV (which actually has some weird poo poo going on with when they book costs/profits) - the BBC does a lot of things differently to commercial TV outfits (with the exception of Downton Abbey, any UK TV you get overseas that's not by the BBC is by Channel 4, and that geniunely is our PBS. Directly government owned in a way the BBC isn't, a remit specifically to show minority programming, and has commercials). The real comparison you're trying to make here is "US TV" vs BBC/NHK (Because NHK is a copy of the BBC, especially considering what we're talking about) - pretty much everyone working on a TV show is unionised. Pretty much everyone at the BBC (apart from the golden-handcuffs talent and the top few levels of management) are on civil service money. From first hand experience (my first job after graduating was as an engineer at one of NHK's daughter companies) the same is totally true of NHK (with the coda that although the money is awful, you WILL NOT have to do overtime. I have never seen an office building so deserted as the NHK research facility 5 minutes after office hours are over)
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Sep 14, 2013 22:27
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So, Japan is now nuclear free. Is there a a time frame for when their energy demands will become a serious problem without nuclear reactors or has the Abe administration promised that will never happen?
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Sep 15, 2013 09:19
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Japan will never be nuclear free.
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Sep 15, 2013 10:15
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One reactor is still "operating"
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Sep 15, 2013 11:18
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Lemmi Caution posted:Japan will never be nuclear free. They restarted the reactors to meet winter demand after Fukushima but now all have been turned off and the public is strongly anti-nuclear. This is the best article I could find http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24099022 quote:Japan is shutting down its last functioning nuclear reactor, with no timetable for a restart. Just based on pure economic numbers the cost of a winter season without nuclear plants up and running would be economically devastating. Right now Abe will have to play a dangerous game with pretending to pander to the current fear and paranoia of nuclear power and then just at the right time ordering the plants to restart before the blackouts and insane cost of heating and power devastate some of the at risk regions. Best case scenario everything goes off without too many problems but he gets voted out anyways as a result of retaliation against his 'pro-nuclear' policy. Every major hot season in Europe and America there are always some people, mostly elderly, who die from the heat waves. I wonder what ramifications there would be if something similar happens during the winter for Japan if they don't restart the reactors.
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Sep 15, 2013 11:24
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There is no way reactors will all be off during winter, and the opposition of the public to nuclear power is overstated. Hopefully Abe will be voted out because he is a reactionary and an idiot, not because of this nuclear power nonsense. (He will not be voted out.)
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Sep 15, 2013 11:42
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No one is going to vote Abe out over restarting nuclear plants. Not after he's being seen as the guy for bringing the Olympics to Japan and enacting an economic plan that many are viewing as spurring economic growth. The plants won't stay off and they'll come back up online. Japan will never go nuclear free because they need constant stable electricity without burning fossil fuels. Until we mass produce fusion plants, there will always be nuclear plants in Japan.
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Sep 15, 2013 11:51
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Unless the MY ONSEN people get a clue about how geothermal power works, but fusion would happen way before that ever does.
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