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Calling it now, Lash will pop out of Harry's head and unleash a can of kickass on the team Nic put together to rob Hades whenever Nic's double-cross happens (fueling her magic with the readily available metaphysical stuff of Hades), or said popping out of the head will be the debilitating thing that puts Harry in his typical vulnerable position in the story before he gets his hands on some relic in Hades that gives him the plot armor he needs to win (while Lash is all "gently caress this poo poo, I'm outta here" and doesn't appear again until the BAC).
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A channel over here just started showing the Dresden Files TV series so i've been watching it for the first time. It's fairly hilariously non-faithful, but it's also pretty easy to get past that given just how far away it is. I can't really picture the books being made into any kind of successful TV show, so I guess it's alright if what you're looking for is generic CSI type stuff, except with magic.
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Sep 16, 2013 21:05
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Revenant Threshold posted:A channel over here just started showing the Dresden Files TV series so i've been watching it for the first time. It's fairly hilariously non-faithful, but it's also pretty easy to get past that given just how far away it is. I can't really picture the books being made into any kind of successful TV show, so I guess it's alright if what you're looking for is generic CSI type stuff, except with magic. IIRC it came out around the time of Dead Beat, which makes the writers deciding to drop Michael (along with the rest of the Carpenter family) and integrate some of his characteristics into Morgan... troublesome at best. Same with Bianca becoming Susan Lite.
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Sep 16, 2013 21:16
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404GoonNotFound posted:IIRC it came out around the time of Dead Beat, which makes the writers deciding to drop Michael (along with the rest of the Carpenter family) and integrate some of his characteristics into Morgan... troublesome at best. Same with Bianca becoming Susan Lite. at least they got Bob's character down pat pretty good. Which is more than can be said for Mai's character..
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Sep 16, 2013 22:02
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MasterFugu posted:at least they got Bob's character down pat pretty good. Which is more than can be said for Mai's character.. Wait what? They made Bob into Giles 2.0, nothing close to how he is
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Sep 16, 2013 22:03
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Fried Chicken posted:Wait what? They made Bob into Giles 2.0, nothing close to how he is
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Sep 16, 2013 22:12
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MasterFugu posted:as close as it's going to get then, media differences and all. I have to say, the one thing I actually did like as an adaption is the hockey stick as a staff. Something that would be entirely plausible (well, more plausible) to be carrying around plus it seems in character.
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Sep 16, 2013 23:23
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Revenant Threshold posted:I can understand just having an actor playing him, CGI costs being what they are (or were). But you could still have a Bob-ish character. TV Bob retains the condescension, but that's it. I liked TV Bob, and I liked the hockey stick.
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Sep 16, 2013 23:30
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I honestly think the Dresden Files could make a pretty awesome and faithful TV show. Each book, at least in the beginning, be like a three or four part story arc. Cover the first three books in the first season, maybe even the fourth and fifth book. Any of those three would be great season finale points. Special effects could be a problem though, but honestly the Dresden Files aren't super flashy all the time. It's more like occasional instances of awesome magic stuff happening in each book.
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Sep 16, 2013 23:37
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SerSpook posted:I honestly think the Dresden Files could make a pretty awesome and faithful TV show. Each book, at least in the beginning, be like a three or four part story arc. Cover the first three books in the first season, maybe even the fourth and fifth book. Any of those three would be great season finale points. Special effects could be a problem though, but honestly the Dresden Files aren't super flashy all the time. It's more like occasional instances of awesome magic stuff happening in each book. Besides, Dresden says that magic looks 'like bad cg'.
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Sep 17, 2013 00:06
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SerSpook posted:I honestly think the Dresden Files could make a pretty awesome and faithful TV show. Each book, at least in the beginning, be like a three or four part story arc. Cover the first three books in the first season, maybe even the fourth and fifth book. Any of those three would be great season finale points. Special effects could be a problem though, but honestly the Dresden Files aren't super flashy all the time. It's more like occasional instances of awesome magic stuff happening in each book. The best episode of the series, by far, was the one based on Storm Front. It had pacing issues, but if they had stretched it out it would have been even better.
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Sep 17, 2013 00:10
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Wade Wilson posted:Calling it now, Lash will pop out of Harry's head and unleash a can of kickass on the team Nic put together to rob Hades whenever Nic's double-cross happens (fueling her magic with the readily available metaphysical stuff of Hades), or said popping out of the head will be the debilitating thing that puts Harry in his typical vulnerable position in the story before he gets his hands on some relic in Hades that gives him the plot armor he needs to win (while Lash is all "gently caress this poo poo, I'm outta here" and doesn't appear again until the BAC). The big problem with this is the parasite (who I still think is NOT Lash and will likely flip a loving table and throw the book if it turns out IS Lash) is not going to be able to just 'pop out' of Harry, as that would be fatal to our accident prone wizard. Demonreach has stated as plainly as it is able that the parasite popping out without intervention by 'Grasshopper' will result in Harry's Death, not just his debilitation. Unrelated Skin Game speculation: I really don't think that Murphy will just tote along Fidelacchius on a heist. Taking the sword of faith on a mission involving treachery and theft? Not going to be in-line with the power of the blade. I think she will end up using it at some point in the book, but most likely it'll be passed off to her by a new bearer of Amoracchius (or Sanya) who steps in to help after Nicky and the Nickleheads inevitably betray Harry/Murphy.
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Sep 17, 2013 04:17
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WarLocke posted:I hate you guys for giving me so much drat reading material. I read Libriomancer in one long sitting the other day (great magic system, loved how it allowed the author to geek/pop-culture out, liked what he was -trying- to do with Lena but wish it wasn't done so hamhandedly) and started The Atrocity Archive today (I think I've actually read this before though, the Fred from Accounting scene with worms in his eyes is really drat familiar, I bet it ends up in them going to a Nazi-Cthulhu pocket dimension type thing eh?) and am currently trying to find a copy of The Rook. Princess of Wands has a sequel Queen of Wands filled with awful monsters and the power of Christ and Freya smiting bad things. John Ringo books why do I keep reading them.
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Sep 17, 2013 04:24
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DJ_Ferret posted:The big problem with this is the parasite (who I still think is NOT Lash and will likely flip a loving table and throw the book if it turns out IS Lash) is not going to be able to just 'pop out' of Harry, as that would be fatal to our accident prone wizard. Demonreach has stated as plainly as it is able that the parasite popping out without intervention by 'Grasshopper' will result in Harry's Death, not just his debilitation. It specified that he will die, not how or why. Those are important factors there.
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Sep 17, 2013 05:16
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Also a lot has been made of how Soulfire is a special element that excels at creating things, although Harry has mostly used it crudely to blow poo poo up until now. I'm guessing Harry will use Soulfire to somehow make a new body/vessel/soul/skull/whatever for Lash to inhabit, while Molly uses her mind magic powers to copy/paste Lash out of Harry's brain into a new home.
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Sep 17, 2013 05:38
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keiran_helcyan posted:Also a lot has been made of how Soulfire is a special element that excels at creating things, although Harry has mostly used it crudely to blow poo poo up until now. I'm guessing Harry will use Soulfire to somehow make a new body/vessel/soul/skull/whatever for Lash to inhabit, while Molly uses her mind magic powers to copy/paste Lash out of Harry's brain into a new home. Doesn't Harry have to do something similar for Bob since he promised to do so "on his power"? I predict Harry will make a new "home" for Bob, and also stick Lash in it. They both seem to have a 'thing' for collecting knowledge, so it might be a good fit. I want $5 if my guess is correct.
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Sep 17, 2013 08:12
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Jakcson posted:Doesn't Harry have to do something similar for Bob since he promised to do so "on his power"? Making an extremely lecherous spirit share a space with a very sexy fallen angel is trouble waiting to happen.
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Sep 17, 2013 11:15
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veekie posted:Making an extremely lecherous spirit share a space with a very sexy fallen angel is trouble waiting to happen. Pretty sure that Lash would destroy Bob out of hand and be the sole inhabitant of the home, there's nothing Bob knows that Lash would not also already know, depending on how much knowledge was copied from Lasciel when she was imprinted in Harry's brain.
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Sep 17, 2013 12:58
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Revenant Threshold posted:... TV Bob... The hockey stick staff and drumstick-wands were a nice touch. Very clever. I also liked TV Bob. He was only barely lecherous, which is sad, but it was network TV, so I can't really fault them. Those things, and Paul Blackthorne, were the only good things about the TV series. SerSpook posted:I honestly think the Dresden Files could make a pretty awesome and faithful TV show. Each book, at least in the beginning, be like a three or four part story arc. Cover the first three books in the first season, maybe even the fourth and fifth book. Any of those three would be great season finale points. Special effects could be a problem though, but honestly the Dresden Files aren't super flashy all the time. It's more like occasional instances of awesome magic stuff happening in each book. I actually thinnk they could be completely faithful. Give it the Game of Thrones treatment and make each season a single~ish book. Of course, that's not likely to happen. I've always thought it would be utterly awesome if they do a remake, to have Paul Blackthorne play Nicodemus. That line in--was it DM or Sm.F?-- where Nic tells Harry, "We're really not that different, you and I," would be so awesome with the in-joke that he was Harry in another version of the show. It would work well given that Blackthorne is English, which matches Nic's accent, also. Blasphemeral fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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Sep 17, 2013 14:35
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I forget if it was on cracked, or the Arrested Development thread here on the forums, but I remember reading about one of the strong suits of Netflix exclusivity is that episodes can be as long or short as necessary for pacing. I think a Netflix Original Dresden Files show would be perfect, each episode maybe 3-5 chapters long, anywhere from 30m to an hour each, depending on the chapters. Also, take a look at Afro Samurai and the Boondocks, and tell me you wouldn't watch a similarly-animated Dresden Files? Clean lines, smooth action, and hey, cartoon magic is a hell of a lot cheaper and more convincing than CGI!
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Sep 17, 2013 21:40
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I don't think a cartoon would work for Dresden because part of what makes urban fantasy as a genre work is the gritty realism, and that's a lot harder to achieve in a cartoon. Possible sure but it would take hyperrealistic animation.
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Sep 17, 2013 21:48
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't think a cartoon would work for Dresden because part of what makes urban fantasy as a genre work is the gritty realism, and that's a lot harder to achieve in a cartoon. Possible sure but it would take hyperrealistic animation. Haha what? No. Not at all. It'd take too long to explain but trust me when I say that often super realistic is exactly the wrong way to get a mood across with animation.
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Sep 17, 2013 21:53
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I would love to see an Odd Thomas TV movie or something. I've been re-reading the first book and I forgot how out there it immediately gets. It's more mystery-spooky magic stuff rather than typical urban fantasy wizard stuff, though, but I'm enjoying it.
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Sep 17, 2013 22:00
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VanSandman posted:Haha what? No. Not at all. It'd take too long to explain but trust me when I say that often super realistic is exactly the wrong way to get a mood across with animation. Not exactly what I'm intending to say I don't think -- I've read Scott McCloud too! I'm saying the urban fantasy / noir genre from which Dresden springs needs a realistic and gritty feel to it. The real urban setting is the contrast that offsets and frames the magic -- much like, say, the film portions of Who Framed Roger Rabbit are the frame around the animation. It needs that contrast to work. I'm not sure how you'd achieve a similar realistic feel with an animated Dresden series. I mean, I'm sure it's possible, but it would be pretty challenging. It's not something like, say, Wheel of Time that just screams "please turn me into an anime" -- it would take real talent and work to make it work and you'd still probably lose something in translation. I think live action with CGI is the best way to do a Dresden show.
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Yeah, I honestly don't think the Dresden Files are something that would necessarily work as well animated. It could work, certainly, but it'd lose something. I don't think a full season to a book would be that smart a move either. Pretty much everything in the first few books could be done in just a few episodes, end the first season on the Nickelheads in the fifth book. Make Dead Beat roughly half a season and end the second season with Proven Guilty and Molly. Then with White Night we start getting a bit on Outsiders at the start of season three and end that season with Dresden's death and then maybe show him chilling out in that afterlife space in the final shot. Then Ghost Story, Cold Days, Skin Game, etc. The Wheel of Time would be a pretty awesome animated series though.
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WarLocke posted:I would love to see an Odd Thomas TV movie or something. I've been re-reading the first book and I forgot how out there it immediately gets. It's more mystery-spooky magic stuff rather than typical urban fantasy wizard stuff, though, but I'm enjoying it. The first Odd Thomas book is Good Fun. The others...not so much.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Not exactly what I'm intending to say I don't think -- I've read Scott McCloud too! I'm saying the urban fantasy / noir genre from which Dresden springs needs a realistic and gritty feel to it. The real urban setting is the contrast that offsets and frames the magic -- much like, say, the film portions of Who Framed Roger Rabbit are the frame around the animation. It needs that contrast to work. I refute you thus: Batman: The Animated Series, from the 90's. The original series animation style, with modern computer animation techniques? Perfect for Dresden.
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ConfusedUs posted:The first Odd Thomas book is Good Fun. The others...not so much.  I'm usually right there with you on book opinions, and I haven't read this series in a long time. I hope I'm not headed into cringeworthy territory...
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WarLocke posted:
I've read the first three Odd books. None are as good as the first. Like most Koontz books, they're not bad. They're bland.
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Sep 17, 2013 23:51
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DJ_Ferret posted:Demonreach has stated as plainly as it is able that the parasite popping out without intervention by 'Grasshopper' will result in Harry's Death, not just his debilitation. To be fair, if there was to be a place where having something explode out of your head wouldn't be immediatly fatal my money would be hell. (or at least the Greek manifestation of hell) Then again Molly might show up to help Harry the second Nicodemus betrays him and solve the problem. 
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I'm about to start on Changes, but I went to the bookstore the other day to get Ghost Story and Cold Days. I found Cold Days and thought to myself, "Self, you could read the synopsis on the back. Since you have no idea what this book is about it might be interesting. They wouldn't put any big spoilers back there."Cold Days posted:Harry has died and been brought back from the dead. Oh and he's also the Winter Knight now. God-DAMNIT 
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Travic posted:I'm about to start on Changes, but I went to the bookstore the other day to get Ghost Story and Cold Days. I found Cold Days and thought to myself, "Self, you could read the synopsis on the back. Since you have no idea what this book is about it might be interesting. They wouldn't put any big spoilers back there." He's a wizard. This is one of those things that is to be expected.
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Travic posted:I'm about to start on Changes, but I went to the bookstore the other day to get Ghost Story and Cold Days. I found Cold Days and thought to myself, "Self, you could read the synopsis on the back. Since you have no idea what this book is about it might be interesting. They wouldn't put any big spoilers back there." Uh, once you get to how that all works out you might be relieved that you know what's going on already. Maybe. All I can tell you is reading the end of Changes without more books to read after it blew.
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ConfusedUs posted:I've read the first three Odd books. None are as good as the first. Odd Apocalypse was much better than the previous books. Then he somewhat squandered that with Deeply Odd.
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Hawkgirl posted:Uh, once you get to how that all works out you might be relieved that you know what's going on already. Maybe. All I can tell you is reading the end of Changes without more books to read after it blew. Holy poo poo, a hundred times this. When I first blew through the series Changes was the last one available. Changes: James Masters reading of "I used the knife." is loving soul wrenching. And then, after that love fest, I got to wait another year for the next book! Ugh.
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Yeah about that. I saw that there was an acknowledgement section at the beginning of Ghost Story where Butcher was apologizing for something in Changes. What was the controversy? Or is it spoilers? Also I just realized that since Dresden's main weapon is bluster andd bluffing without actually lying he's been in training for The Winter Knight Olympics for the entire series! Travic fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Sep 18, 2013 |
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Dresden's main weapon is going off like a loose cannon. A big thing in the world is that power begets obligation, which puts checks on the power. Dresden throws around his power without any checks on it. His foes constantly believe "no one would do that" so when he does they get blindsided (straight up called out in Proven Guilty and a core part of his plan in Small Favor) Now he finally can't go off like that (a big part of Ghost Story is realizing he shouldn't have done it) but people think he will continue to do so.
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Travic posted:Yeah about that. I saw that there was an acknowledgement section at the beginning of Ghost Story where Butcher was apologizing for something in Changes. What was the controversy? Or is it spoilers? It's related to the spoilers you already know, but if you must know: Harry literally dies on the last page of Changes and since he doesn't know what the gently caress just happened, you don't get to know either.
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VanSandman posted:I refute you thus: Batman: The Animated Series, from the 90's. The original series animation style, with modern computer animation techniques? Perfect for Dresden. I was going to post this exact same example. The 90's Batman was freakin' awesome. Dresden in that style would work great. vvv Thanks! 
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Blasphemeral posted:I was going to post this exact same example. The 90's Batman was freakin' awesome. Dresden in that style would work great. "The Dresden does not never kill the poo poo out everything in sight." Also your avatar is mesmerizing.
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