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seiferguy posted:A friend of mine in his 50s just posted this entitlement hit piece against millenials: Outside of that Bors comic, it's utter hypocrisy. The Boomers and the Greatest Generation all benefited from massive government spending on infrastructure, education, and other spending. Then claimed they did all on their own. They are kicking the ladder out in front of their kids and saying they flew to the roof.
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cheerfullydrab posted:See, I believe that boomers were really and truly raised in a time where you could pay for college by working a summer job. In 1973, the year my mother graduated high school, the annual fee and tuition total to attend a state college in Tennessee was $318. It is currently $5208. If tuition had been chained to CPI, it would currently cost $1700 for a year of school.
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Sep 17, 2013 13:25
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CheesyDog posted:In 1973, the year my mother graduated high school, the annual fee and tuition total to attend a state college in Tennessee was $318. It is currently $5208. If tuition had been chained to CPI, it would currently cost $1700 for a year of school. One Boomer's experiences. The main point: Going to a state school in the early 80's cost about 230 hours of minimum wage work, going to the same school now costs about 1200 hours. We have to work harder than they did for the same benefit.
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Sep 17, 2013 18:12
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 My step brother posted this. Quick google search leads to this: http://www.pewstates.org/research/reports/inaccurate-costly-and-inefficient-85899378437 Basically saying 1.8 million people who were dead are still registered, not that they voted. I am shocked that the facebook group "IT'S ABOUT FREEDOM" misinterpreted the study.
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Sep 17, 2013 18:25
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gradenko_2000 posted:How do Putin's newfound groupies reconcile his butt-kicking of Obama with the fact that he literally came from Communist Russia? He was a good commie. Like Yeltsin. All Russians love Yelstin.
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Sep 17, 2013 18:26
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Dirt posted:Basically saying 1.8 million people who were dead are still registered, not that they voted. I am shocked that the facebook group "IT'S ABOUT FREEDOM" misinterpreted the study. Out of curiosity, I wondered how many people die in the US every year. The Census counted something like 2.5 million deaths in 2010. Assuming that there's a singular backlog for processing voter unenrollment, it takes something like nine months on average to get a dead person off the voter registry. That's not so bad, considering that it took a decade at least for junk mail to stop following my dead grandfather.
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Sep 17, 2013 18:50
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Why let a little thing like reading comprehension get in the way of a good number that clearly shows us I hope you point this out to your step-brother. Although I'm sure the response will be, "Yeah, I just thought it was funny" or "Makes you think, though."
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Sep 17, 2013 19:48
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seiferguy posted:A friend of mine in his 50s just posted this entitlement hit piece against millenials: 4 of my friends reposted this today. All of them in their 20s/very early 30s Self bashing is the new thing, I guess?
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Sep 17, 2013 19:54
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I got something in the mail for my dad to vote last election. He'd been dead two years. I never even thought to try to make sure he wasn't still registered. I should probably still get around to that at some point. I always thought it was automatic.
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Sep 17, 2013 19:54
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Walter posted:Why let a little thing like reading comprehension get in the way of a good number that clearly shows us I posted a link, told him how dumb this was: He won't respond, he never does when I call out his bullshit haha.
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Sep 17, 2013 20:06
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aBagorn posted:4 of my friends reposted this today. All of them in their 20s/very early 30s My wife just posted it on Facebook with no comment attached. I have no idea why. I'd reply with the Bors comic, but apparently CNN won't show it on a mobile browser, so she wouldn't see it.
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Sep 17, 2013 20:07
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aBagorn posted:4 of my friends reposted this today. All of them in their 20s/very early 30s Are they programmers/tech workers by chance? Many of my friends in those fields continue to be perplexed as to why everyone else can't just major in comp-sci and do the same thing they do. I mean, they're practically handing out STEM-related jobs like candy, right? Never mind that many of those jobs require very specific credentials and are often underpaid, which is why nobody takes them. I mean, even if they aren't of that stripe, there are a ton of millennials who fall into the whole bootstraps mindset because they have no idea just how much easier the average boomer had it. ProperGanderPusher fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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Sep 17, 2013 20:18
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Araenna posted:I got something in the mail for my dad to vote last election. He'd been dead two years. I never even thought to try to make sure he wasn't still registered. I should probably still get around to that at some point. I always thought it was automatic. Purging dead people from voter rolls usually results in some living people also getting purged. Most municipalities probably don't want the headache.
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Sep 17, 2013 20:23
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Are they programmers/tech workers by chance? Many of my friends in those fields continue to be perplexed as to why everyone else can't just major in comp-sci and do the same thing they do. I mean, they're practically handing out STEM-related jobs like candy, right? Never mind that many of those jobs require very specific credentials and are often underpaid, which is why nobody takes them. Non-degreed bartender Naval musician Law Student and the weirdest one, the valedictorian of my High School with a masters in reproductive biology from Harvard who routinely shares from "being liberal" and the like, and who is currently living in Australia. Her I don't get at all
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Sep 17, 2013 20:33
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seiferguy posted:A friend of mine in his 50s just posted this entitlement hit piece against millenials: I read the comments expecting the usual tripe, but the second highest rated comment was actually quite nice, Comment from the article posted:Yes, well, that may all be true. But the other really REALLY relevant thing about Gypsies vs. Boomers vs. the Greatest Gen is the job market, and the economy, and the price of education.
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Sep 17, 2013 20:52
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aBagorn posted:Non-degreed bartender It's not uncommon for people in my generation who've made it to really bad-mouth the rest of the generation who haven't but don't want to be permanently impoverished. Even among young 30ish liberals, the hate for those who haven't made it is palpable. A lot of this gets displaced as Gen Yers wanting "special treatment" versus actually get some pay or benefits from their work. This is coming from someone who by any normal definition "made it"-- i.e. had lots of advantages throughout my life, was lucky in my degree choice, and was able to turn that into a solid upper middle class lifestyle. I've also seen too many friends get screwed out of this by things mostly beyond their control (chose a non-engineering STEM major, get married at the wrong time and thus buy a house right before the bubble burst, had their father walk out on them to make college impossible, ect) to think that success is even modestly self-determined. Just World trash is exactly where this idea of Gen Y entitlement comes from-- we're the first generation since the Greatest Gen (who've long since past living memory) that's had to push to make it versus have conditions more positive then the previous one.
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Sep 17, 2013 21:36
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rkajdi posted:things mostly beyond their control (chose a non-engineering STEM major, How is your college major mostly beyond your control?
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Sep 17, 2013 22:03
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Emden posted:How is your college major mostly beyond your control? Until you invent time travel, someone who majored in architecture has no means to undo that decision.
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Sep 17, 2013 22:08
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Emden posted:How is your college major mostly beyond your control? Whether or not your college major will lead to a given lifestyle is entirely beyond your control, and aptitude for a given field is also largely out of one's hands.
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Sep 17, 2013 22:11
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That's some pretty disingenuous thinking. I knew going into college in 2004 that a degree in Fine Arts or Literature etc. would only be good for landing a rare teaching job; there are also stats available on what students achieve employment relevant to their education after graduation. It's by no means blind, the problem is plenty of people choose to study what interests them without thinking of how they are going to pay off loans.
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Sep 17, 2013 22:19
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Mornacale posted:Whether or not your college major will lead to a given lifestyle is entirely beyond your control, and aptitude for a given field is also largely out of one's hands. Worse than that, you have no real way of knowing what would be a good major to have in four years. Did you choose what people are pushing you to do, say, STEM, because everyone from the President down is saying there's a shortage? Woops! Plenty of people had the same idea, and suddenly you're competing with all of them for jobs that did not suddenly get created because demand did not rise. If you like Schadenfreude, you will be happy to know that these same entitled STEM majors are going to be crying about all those young people taking their jobs in a few years when they get abruptly fired with no benefits because they no longer know how to work the latest gizmo, or do but aren't willing to do it for as little as a recent debt-laden STEM graduate. Guess they should have bootstrapped themselves a union.
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Sep 17, 2013 22:21
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Right, but now it's 2013, any decisions you've made about college are already made.
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Sep 17, 2013 22:26
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I was born in La Jolla California in 1979. My parents raised me in their single income house in Cardiff. I could see the ocean from our house. My dad was a mere restaurant manager for TGIF. There is no way that a restaurant manager could do that today. gently caress this just world fallacy.
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Sep 17, 2013 22:31
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Worse than that, you have no real way of knowing what would be a good major to have in four years. Did you choose what people are pushing you to do, say, STEM, because everyone from the President down is saying there's a shortage? Woops! Plenty of people had the same idea, and suddenly you're competing with all of them for jobs that did not suddenly get created because demand did not rise. Can't wait to contribute to the debasing of skilled labor in the STEM fields. Ready those SNAP applications y'all.
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Sep 17, 2013 22:31
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The narrative throughout growing up in the 90s and graduating in 2006 was, "in order to get a good job you have to go to a 4 year college!" Parents? Yes. Relatives? Yes. Teachers? Yes. College administrators? Yes. No mention of what type of degree, just that you had to have one. I find it pretty abhorrent that an entire generation of people were pretty much suckered into debt by older generations just to have it thrown back in their face that they're lazy and poo poo.
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Emden posted:Can't wait to contribute to the debasing of skilled labor in the STEM fields. Ready those SNAP applications y'all. Hello fellow Millenial! Make sure to explain to your predecessors why they're losing their job as a test monkey to somebody willing to work below minimum wage so that you can smile spitefully in the interim before you too are replaced.
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Phone posted:The narrative throughout growing up in the 90s and graduating in 2006 was, "in order to get a good job you have to go to a 4 year college!" The whole narrative involving the millenial generation being "lazy" and "self-centered" is disgusting. I have friends that receive the "you kids have it so much better than we did" line from their parents on a weekly basis. Of course, they're speaking to technology and civil rights while ignoring the plethora of economic issues that their generation created. I guess it's part of the larger problem where portions of the world no longer recognize that factors other than work ethic and determination do, in fact, exist.
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Phone posted:The narrative throughout growing up in the 90s and graduating in 2006 was, "in order to get a good job you have to go to a 4 year college!" I was personally told time and time again that your major ultimately didn't matter. Sure, you would probably get more money with a STEM degree, but screw doing something for a living that you have no passion for or suck at. There was always a desk jockey job available somewhere for any boob with a piece of paper. Thankfully I've been fortunate enough to be surrounded by older people who actually understand how things have been since 2008 and have an ounce of sympathy. The worst I've heard in person is "If people can't find jobs, why not join the military? If I had to take a bite out of a poo poo sandwich for five years to be able to see a dentist, then so should everyone else."
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Sep 17, 2013 23:05
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ProperGanderPusher posted:The worst I've heard in person is "If people can't find jobs, why not join the military?" Six years later and you're a pro at fixing sonar or fire control systems. Have fun on the job market with your English degree and six years of worthless experience.
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EightBit posted:That's some pretty disingenuous thinking. I knew going into college in 2004 that a degree in Fine Arts or Literature etc. would only be good for landing a rare teaching job; there are also stats available on what students achieve employment relevant to their education after graduation. It's by no means blind, the problem is plenty of people choose to study what interests them without thinking of how they are going to pay off loans. The stats aren't usually for four years down the road, and even if they are, they are not at all guaranteed. The dot-com bubble only lasted three years, for instance. They only predict what might be hiring based on current trends, not what there will be any shortage of applicants for. We're not talking about people with philosophy degrees, either. For instance, there's currently too many people with law degrees in the US. That it isn't blind doesn't make it prescient. Stats are based on the past and present, not the future.
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Sep 17, 2013 23:26
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I'm pretty sure this is a new onequote:My thoughts were right all along...a bunch of damned morons...and they're in control of our country!
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That's just...there's no more straw in the midwest anymore. He's used it all. All the livestock are going to starve, and it's this guy's fault.
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Sep 18, 2013 00:47
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SalTheBard posted:I'm pretty sure this is a new one Really, it's just a bunch of old ones, though. quote:That all the ills of the economy are due to the fat cat banks and other corporations, and the best way to deal with that is to provide billions in bailouts to the fat cat banks and other corporations. How in the hell do people not remember that this was in 2008? quote:That the federal government with no competition can provide a better health care product than the private sector with competition can. This one is literally true, as is, though. Also, quote:Obama's college records or for information on his association with a known terrorist is racist.
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OAquinas posted:That's just...there's no more straw in the midwest anymore. He's used it all. All the livestock are going to starve, and it's this guy's fault.
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Guilty Spork posted:Also, whoever wrote that is just not a fan of context, or empirical evidence, like at all. Also, not a big fan of remembering things that happened before Obama took office. Almost every right-winger I've talked to has this weird and very selective amnesia, a bizarre eight-year hole in their memory. As far as most of them are concerned, George W. Bush didn't serve two terms, he was president on 9/11 and before that it was Clinton and after that it was Obama. Bush was a pretty awful president, so bad that even right-wing shills realize it. A whole lot of people on the right seem to see politics as some sort of game, and the only thing that matters to them in politics is 'winning'. Admitting that a guy on 'their team' was anything less than absolutely perfect would be a defeat as far as they're concerned, therefore, he didn't exist.
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One of the sticking points I noticed when people kvetch about millennials is the whole "everybody gets a trophy" thing, and yet, you get the same loving thing from these people regarding men and women in the armed forces: they're all unequivocally straight-laced heroes who have all their poo poo together just by virtue of being enlisted. How do these same conservatives react to stories like the ones in the Let's Talk About Idiots thread in GiP?
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Thompsons posted:One of the sticking points I noticed when people kvetch about millennials is the whole "everybody gets a trophy" thing, and yet, you get the same loving thing from these people regarding men and women in the armed forces: they're all unequivocally straight-laced heroes who have all their poo poo together just by virtue of being enlisted. How do these same conservatives react to stories like the ones in the Let's Talk About Idiots thread in GiP? It depends on if the soldier is gay or not.
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ErichZahn posted:Hello fellow Millenial! Make sure to explain to your predecessors why they're losing their job as a test monkey to somebody willing to work below minimum wage so that you can smile spitefully in the interim before you too are replaced. Don't listen to Emden on anything. His only interest in science is to create a fig leaf to cover his racism. Sometimes red titles are there for a real reason.
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Araenna posted:I got something in the mail for my dad to vote last election. He'd been dead two years. I never even thought to try to make sure he wasn't still registered. I should probably still get around to that at some point. I always thought it was automatic. It IS automatic in most places. They (county records offices, I think?) get lists of everyone they can be reasonably sure died and compare it with voter registrations and remove people. Mistakes happen. Not everyone gets removed promptly, and not everyone who gets removed is dead.
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Not sure if wackjob alternate-history believers fit here, but my brain hurt just trying to comprehend this stuff. A guy I work with insists that he has both a Poli-Sci Bachelors, and he had a minor focus in Civil War history. He went to Robert E. Lee High School. His history teacher was a super south-hating liberal who nonetheless taught him "totally accurate" things about the Civil War. He believes himself to be an expert on Civil War history. These are facts about the Civil War according to that crazy motherfucker I work with.
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