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Trench_Rat posted:what is the spot in the middle of spain? Madrid
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Sep 15, 2013 16:55
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Trench_Rat posted:what is the spot in the middle of spain? Either Madrid or Toledo, scale is a bit weird to make out with certainty, but I'd assume Madrid.
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Sep 15, 2013 16:56
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France looks relatively "clean", a red area on the Parisian region, Marseilles and the south-east, and some yellowish areas in the north and around Lyon.
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Sep 15, 2013 17:00
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I thought that was because every Frenchman lives in Paris and the rest is just a couple of dying villages with only some old goatherders still around.
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Sep 15, 2013 17:09
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Phlegmish posted:I thought that was because every Frenchman lives in Paris and the rest is just a couple of dying villages with only some old goatherders still around. For a second I thought I was reading the comments section of What exactly is going on in northern Italy? Do they burn tires for warmth or something?
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Sep 15, 2013 17:16
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Trench_Rat posted:what is the spot in the middle of spain? Madrid. Soviet Commubot posted:What exactly is going on in northern Italy? Do they burn tires for warmth or something? If you ask someone raised in southern Italy? Yes. I can't really tell how the pollution map differs strongly from a heavily exaggerated population density map. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Sep 15, 2013 |
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Sep 15, 2013 17:18
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Soviet Commubot posted:What exactly is going on in northern Italy? Do they burn tires for warmth or something? Climate & geography. The winds can't push them beyond the Alps, so all the poo poo sort of concentrates in the air there.
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Sep 15, 2013 17:19
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Soviet Commubot posted:For a second I thought I was reading the comments section of I didn't say it was good, far from it. The current situation in France is the result of a centralization policy taken too far (as well as historically low birth rates), which I incidentally assume you're opposed to.
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Sep 15, 2013 17:23
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I'm surprised that Germany outside of the Ruhr is as blue as it is on that map.
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Sep 15, 2013 17:26
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Civilized Fishbot posted:I can't really tell how the pollution map differs strongly from a heavily exaggerated population density map. It seems to correlate closely with population density, yes. Also interesting (if predictable) that those areas are the same ones that already underwent urbanization as early as the Middle Ages, and that even today the pattern of migration is leading to higher population growth there. People across Europe are still moving to the Western European metropolitan centers.
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Sep 15, 2013 17:27
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Phlegmish posted:I didn't say it was good, far from it. The current situation in France is the result of a centralization policy taken too far (as well as historically low birth rates), which I incidentally assume you're opposed to. You're not wrong, it's just that I've been torturing myself reading comments sections lately and so many Parisians seem to think that France (and the world) begins and ends at the borders of Île de France. Your assumptions about my opinions of French (over)centralization are probably pretty correct. sweek0 posted:I'm surprised that Germany outside of the Ruhr is as blue as it is on that map. I'm somewhat surprised Berlin isn't more yellow, it's a fair bit bigger than Lyon.
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Sep 15, 2013 17:44
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Soviet Commubot posted:You're not wrong, it's just that I've been torturing myself reading comments sections lately and so many Parisians seem to think that France (and the world) begins and ends at the borders of Île de France. Except during the holiday season, of course. My country is, unsurprisingly, a disgusting mess, especially Flanders, one of the most densely populated areas in Europe. It also lacked any urban planning regulations until quite recently (the 80's I think), with predictable consequences. Antwan3K fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Sep 15, 2013 |
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Sep 15, 2013 18:11
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Antwan3K posted:Except during the holiday season, of course. Wait no planning at all, so you mean people were building poo poo up wily nilly? 
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Sep 15, 2013 18:22
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Lawman 0 posted:Wait no planning at all, so you mean people were building poo poo up wily nilly? What he means is that Flanders looks like this:  While the Netherlands look more like this:  With comparable population densities. Flemish spatial planning is a complete clusterfuck.
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Sep 15, 2013 18:34
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Lawman 0 posted:Wait no planning at all, so you mean people were building poo poo up wily nilly? Yes. Large areas of previously rural land are now dominated by the pattern of so called ribbon development. This is basically the least efficient way of building imaginable, from a conservationist and environmental (eg. concerning car dependency, heating costs that are larger for detached houses) point of view. Not entirely sure, but I think the law used to be that you could build on any plots next to a road and 50m or less from another house. Everyone of course built exactly 50m from each other initially. (Not entirely sure on the exact distance) The space between was often developed later which also leads to absurdist combinations of building styles and house types along a typical Belgian semi-rural road. Antwan3K fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Sep 15, 2013 |
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Sep 15, 2013 18:36
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Trench_Rat posted:what is the spot in the middle of spain? Probably Madrid, its capital. Badger of Basra posted:urbanization.jpg That doesn't really explain why in Austria Linz is darker than Vienna. From what I remember of Upper Austria it wasn't really urban at all.
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Sep 15, 2013 19:35
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Ras Het posted:Climate & geography. The winds can't push them beyond the Alps, so all the poo poo sort of concentrates in the air there. It's also a near perfect outline of the Po Valley, basically the only low-lying portion of Italy (i.e not hills or mountainous) , and the most fertile region. Lot's of concentrated industrialization happened there and not in the South. Ya know, corruption and regionalism.
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Sep 15, 2013 19:39
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Kinda surprised to see Eastern Europe so relatively unpolluted, I would've expected at least big cities like Kiev and Minsk to be redder. I also found a similar map of the whole world:  China 
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Sep 15, 2013 20:30
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The map is of nitrogen dioxide levels, to quote the ESA "Nitrogen oxides are produced by emissions from power plants, heavy industry and road transport, along with biomass burning." Here is another map of fine particulate matter, another type of air pollution.
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Sep 15, 2013 20:41
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Soviet Commubot posted:I'm somewhat surprised Berlin isn't more yellow, it's a fair bit bigger than Lyon. Going by a quick Google search, it seems Berlin made reduction of air pollution a major policy objective and adopted a comprehensive strategy to achieve the cleanest air possible, and succeeded. There's a study from 2011 that found that Berlin has the cleanest air of any major city in Europe.
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Sep 15, 2013 20:41
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sweek0 posted:I'm surprised that Germany outside of the Ruhr is as blue as it is on that map. There are surprising amounts of Germany that is just green with nothing there at all. You can drive for hours without saying anything larger then a small village.
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Sep 15, 2013 20:43
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Rebel Blob posted:The map is of nitrogen dioxide levels, to quote the ESA "Nitrogen oxides are produced by emissions from power plants, heavy industry and road transport, along with biomass burning." Here is another map of fine particulate matter, another type of air pollution. This one seems much more climate-dependent. I'm assuming that the Sahara is red due to the type of soil that is prevalent there and not because of pollution caused by the (virtually non-existent) locals. Davincie posted:There are surprising amounts of Germany that is just green with nothing there at all. You can drive for hours without saying anything larger then a small village. Same with France and Spain, to an even larger extent. People always talk about how densely populated Western Europe is, but in reality it's limited to specific regions.
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Sep 15, 2013 20:43
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It's basically just where the industry is. Northern Italy is an industrial power house, so is the Ruhr area in Germany. It's just a mix of climate, population density, and industrial activity.
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Sep 15, 2013 20:44
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Purno posted:Kinda surprised to see Eastern Europe so relatively unpolluted, I would've expected at least big cities like Kiev and Minsk to be redder.
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Sep 15, 2013 20:46
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Rebel Blob posted:The map is of nitrogen dioxide levels, to quote the ESA "Nitrogen oxides are produced by emissions from power plants, heavy industry and road transport, along with biomass burning." Here is another map of fine particulate matter, another type of air pollution. If anyone is wondering why there's such a huge band of red going across Eurasia and North Africa, it's that particulate matter includes not only stuff like smog and ash, but also dust and silt as well. Eastern China is so insanely dark red because of both coal-burning power plants and huge amounts of airborne silt from riverbeds that gets blown up during the dry season. A few years ago, it made the news when prevailing winds were blowing it all the way to western Japan.
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Sep 15, 2013 20:47
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Purno posted:Kinda surprised to see Eastern Europe so relatively unpolluted, I would've expected at least big cities like Kiev and Minsk to be redder. The weirdest thing about this is you can clearly see where Russia use to test Nuclear weapons on this map. The Ottawa Valley is still populated as poo poo as well despite all the industry being gone for 20+ years.
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Sep 15, 2013 22:42
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:That doesn't really explain why in Austria Linz is darker than Vienna. From what I remember of Upper Austria it wasn't really urban at all. Linz has heavy industry, Vienna doesn't.
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Sep 15, 2013 22:56
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sbaldrick posted:The weirdest thing about this is you can clearly see where Russia use to test Nuclear weapons on this map. Is that the red splotch in (what is I think) eastern Kazakhstan? E: Nvm, I think that's actually the area around Urumqi. SurgicalOntologist fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Sep 15, 2013 |
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Sep 15, 2013 23:20
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What on Earth's up with South Africa there? It can't just be Johannesberg given what Cape Town looks like, and anyway it looks a bit too far east.
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Sep 16, 2013 10:35
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House Louse posted:What on Earth's up with South Africa there? It can't just be Johannesberg given what Cape Town looks like, and anyway it looks a bit too far east. Eh, from the map it really looks like greater Johannesburg (which would technically include Pretoria).
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Sep 16, 2013 11:06
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House Louse posted:What on Earth's up with South Africa there? It can't just be Johannesberg given what Cape Town looks like, and anyway it looks a bit too far east. Lots of mining going on around there, which can't be great for air quality.
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Sep 16, 2013 13:14
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Purno posted:Kinda surprised to see Eastern Europe so relatively unpolluted, I would've expected at least big cities like Kiev and Minsk to be redder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ4K0hHin9s
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Sep 16, 2013 16:50
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In the half-second before I saw the Onion logo, I thought that was serious. It's the kind of thing they'd do.
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Sep 16, 2013 18:13
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sbaldrick posted:The weirdest thing about this is you can clearly see where Russia use to test Nuclear weapons on this map. The Ottawa Valley is still populated as poo poo as well despite all the industry being gone for 20+ years. To be fair, we have the capital (and Ottawa's actually part of the yellow stain beside that red dot, which is Montreal).
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Sep 17, 2013 06:23
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Purno posted:Kinda surprised to see Eastern Europe so relatively unpolluted, I would've expected at least big cities like Kiev and Minsk to be redder. what is going on in the Congo on this map? (mining)
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Sep 17, 2013 17:45
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World of equal-population districts: Closeups here: http://worldofequaldistricts.tumblr.com/
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Sep 17, 2013 19:51
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SurgicalOntologist posted:World of equal-population districts: You should at least describe it as being 665 roughly equal districts of 10-11 million people each. Poor cartography. 
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Sep 18, 2013 04:53
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SurgicalOntologist posted:World of equal-population districts: Neat that Tunisia is roughly the same.
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Sep 18, 2013 05:25
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PrinceRandom posted:Neat that Tunisia is roughly the same. Laos, Somalia, Rwanda, Bolivia, and Guinea, too. Basically any country with roughly 10 million in population stays the same.
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Sep 18, 2013 05:59
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Yeah, I'm assuming that vaguely triangle-shaped purple country in Western Europe is just Belgium, but it's a bit hard to make out. Is there a higher-resolution map available somewhere?
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Sep 18, 2013 07:06
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