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Bongo Bill posted:If Gamzee dies, it means this is a doomed timeline. He survives in the alpha. loving clowns.
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Terezi sure is putting a lot of effort into this.
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Sep 20, 2013 07:11
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That's really a very brutal beating she's dishing out. I wonder if it's Aranea's control that's keeping him from doing anything? Like he's not received any instructions to defend himself so he just stands there and smiles while Terezi repeatedly perforates his torso.
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Sep 20, 2013 07:27
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JT Jag posted:There is literally no timeline in existence where Gamzee dies. Indeed.
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Sep 20, 2013 07:29
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Terezi said, "NOW OF 4LL T1M3S YOU C4NT BR1NG YOURS3LF TO R41S3 4 H4ND TO M3?", which means Gamzee actually beat her during their hosed up relationship. No wonder she's being so aggressive now.
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Sep 20, 2013 07:37
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Obviously, Gamzee is letting Terezi do that in order to build his resistance to torso perforations, as a preparation for the day he meets Teen Caliborn. It's the trauma equivalent of mithridatism.
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Sep 20, 2013 07:47
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I still don't understand how Gamzee is surviving all this when any other abuse like this would kill every other character(including godtiered ones). Also, I wish we actually seen some aspect of Gamzee's and Terezi's relationship on-screen instead of it being told what happened. The off-screen relationship(be it friendship of romantic) building between multiple characters really cheapens character development for me and it also lessens any emotional impact I would have responded from this scene. That's one of the several complaints I have about Homestuck. Terezi's arc in Act 6 feels pretty...eh, which is unfortunate since I really liked her in the previous acts.
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Sep 20, 2013 07:50
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Dire Wombat posted:Terezi said, "NOW OF 4LL T1M3S YOU C4NT BR1NG YOURS3LF TO R41S3 4 H4ND TO M3?", which means Gamzee actually beat her during their hosed up relationship. No wonder she's being so aggressive now. When one of your civilization's romantic inclinations is based on entirely hatred the notion that violence plays some part of it may not be entirely unreasonable. But, much like Dave, we don't know if that's a normal part of hate-dating or if it's one of the reasons their relationship was so toxic.
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Sep 20, 2013 07:59
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Cat Mattress posted:Obviously, Gamzee is letting Terezi do that in order to build his resistance to torso perforations, as a preparation for the day he meets Teen Caliborn. It's the trauma equivalent of mithridatism. Which reminds me: Have we seen Gamzee with Caliborn since Homosuck started? WhiffleballDude posted:When one of your civilization's romantic inclinations is based on entirely hatred the notion that violence plays some part of it may not be entirely unreasonable. But, much like Dave, we don't know if that's a normal part of hate-dating or if it's one of the reasons their relationship was so toxic. Snowman stabbed Slick in the eye with a cigarette lance and their relationship was apparently a perfect example of the caliginous quadrant.
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Sep 20, 2013 08:17
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Martini Mice-Cream posted:I still don't understand how Gamzee is surviving all this when any other abuse like this would kill every other character(including godtiered ones). Its been established in the story that trolls have physical stamina much greater than humans: think of how Tavros had his legs removed by chainsaw. But I do think that Gamzee's deathlessness is one of the bigger mysteries around Gamzee. I don't know whether its actually an important part of the story, or just a gag. I don't know if anything about Gamzee is important to the story, or whether he is just a gag character. I am not that interested in Gamzee myself, although I know some people think he is an important character.
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Sep 20, 2013 08:20
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JT Jag posted:There is literally no timeline in existence where Gamzee dies. You know, I've been wondering about that. Do the "doomed" Gamzees just cease to exist when the timeline ends, or are there a bunch of them hiding somewhere in the alpha timeline since they are all seemingly immortal for some reason (since it's possible for characters in a doomed timeline to go to the alpha one)?
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Sep 20, 2013 08:23
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glowing-fish posted:I am not that interested in Gamzee myself, although I know some people think he is an important character. He's a very important gag character.
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Sep 20, 2013 08:31
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nerdbot posted:He's a very important gag character. I just realized that he is a gag character in two ways, now, since Aranea ordered him not to speak. Its yet another possible pun that we don't know if Hussie intended.
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Sep 20, 2013 08:48
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Zebia posted:You know, I've been wondering about that. Do the "doomed" Gamzees just cease to exist when the timeline ends, or are there a bunch of them hiding somewhere in the alpha timeline since they are all seemingly immortal for some reason (since it's possible for characters in a doomed timeline to go to the alpha one)?
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Sep 20, 2013 08:59
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Zebia posted:You know, I've been wondering about that. Do the "doomed" Gamzees just cease to exist when the timeline ends, or are there a bunch of them hiding somewhere in the alpha timeline since they are all seemingly immortal for some reason (since it's possible for characters in a doomed timeline to go to the alpha one)? The Gamzee Gestalt.
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Sep 20, 2013 09:04
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JT Jag posted:I presume that Gamzee always is present in a universe until it gets scratched or destroyed, thus resulting in a new version of him in the scratched or newly created universe which always survives until it gets scratched or destroyed, and this cycle lasts forever, thus resulting in him never having dream bubble versions of himself. I'm thinking he's a juju somehow.
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Sep 20, 2013 09:23
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Across all times and realities there is but one omni-Gamzee, eternal and unknowable. I'm not joking.
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Sep 20, 2013 10:05
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It's kinda weird how the Seer of Mind doesn't realize that Gamzee lacks control of his right now.
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Sep 20, 2013 10:10
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Mimir posted:It's kinda weird how the Seer of Mind doesn't realize that Gamzee lacks control of his right now. It's not really about Gamzee, IMO. Sure, she's stabbing the poo poo out of him, but her rage, I suspect, is at herself for having let herself get into such an unhealthy relationship with him in the first place. She's perforating Gamzee's chest, but what she's really upset at is the part of herself that kept coming back for more when he beat her and mocked her blindness. I just hope she gets some kind of catharsis out of all this violence, or it may end up just another self-destructive path.
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Sep 20, 2013 10:17
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Wyld Karde posted:or it may end up just another self-destructive path. Probably that.
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Sep 20, 2013 10:52
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Wyld Karde posted:Don't forget The Princess Bride. Keeps getting taller is about all the reference pile does. Next week, John briefly exits the fourth wall (again) and in a series of hilarious pratfalls accidentally stops The Princess Bride from ever being made. Divorced of its parenthood, Dirk says the thing anyway, and the reference pile actually shrinks!  This fundamental universal law broken, the entire world eats itself. There are no survivors.
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Sep 20, 2013 10:52
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I believe when Hussie told Caliborn that Gamzee has never died in any timeline he was lying, or joking as he would put it. Yeah, we may not have seen any dead Gamzee's in the dreambubbles, but absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. I mean there was no Meenah's in the dreambubbles until recently, just because of weird time poo poo. Doesn't mean there is any less dead alt timeline Meenahs than anyone else. As for why he isn't dying when subject to physical violence? It can easily be explained via some as yet unseen magical plot device. Maybe he's wearing the Ring of Life on his cock.
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Sep 20, 2013 11:37
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Pleasant Friend posted:Maybe he's wearing the Ring of Life on his cock. I've been mentally tiptoeing around that thought for a little while now, so thanks for bring it out into the open. I just hope Gamzee doesn't do the same.
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Sep 20, 2013 11:51
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Either way,might be related to the cod piece.
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Sep 20, 2013 12:40
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Alternatively, he might have gone god tier during the trolls' session. Which, given that Aranea is controlling the clocks, means he's definitely going to live.
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Sep 20, 2013 12:44
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Honestly, considering Gamzee's sure to survive, it's Terezi who might bite it here if Aranea let's Gamzee off the leash. Geeze, if Jade, Dirk and Terezi were all to get killed while Dave just stands there being puzzled, maybe that'd be enough to get his reluctant hero rear end moving.
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Sep 20, 2013 12:47
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His ex-girlfriend, one of his best friends and the real imaginary brain ghost of an alternate universe version of his bro. Heck of a personal price to pay there.
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Sep 20, 2013 12:56
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Paul.Power posted:I just assume they all go to sleep, like Rose did, and merge up all the dreamselves. All of them. Yes, this has been my theory. It's why he's so unknowable and probably insane. The memories of hundreds of timelines, including those where he killed everyone, are constantly bubbling up in his mind.
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pumpinglemma posted:Alternatively, he might have gone god tier during the trolls' session. Which, given that Aranea is controlling the clocks, means he's definitely going to live. They already explained this: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007384. There is not reason to try and figure out why he wont die, because clowns are notoriously difficult to kill for reasons that basically don't make any sense.
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Dolash posted:Honestly, considering Gamzee's sure to survive, it's Terezi who might bite it here if Aranea let's Gamzee off the leash. And then it'll turn out that this was Aranea's plan all along: goad Dave into creating an alternate timeline via time travel so she can "heal" it into being the new alpha. 
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Who What Now posted:It gets better, because the Royal Deringer is based on Narsil, the sword that sliced off Sauron's fingers. It's name is even a pun on this. The Royal De-Ringer! Wait, I thought it was based on Rick Derringer, and it would allow Dave to perform an amazing cover of Rock 'n Roll Hoochie Koo. I'm so confused.
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Fister Roboto posted:Wait, I thought it was based on Rick Derringer, and it would allow Dave to perform an amazing cover of Rock 'n Roll Hoochie Koo. I'm so confused. Multipurpose swiss army sword. It's that awesome.
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Sep 20, 2013 16:08
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Martini Mice-Cream posted:I still don't understand how Gamzee is surviving all this when any other abuse like this would kill every other character(including godtiered ones). It's just a motherfuckin' miracle, man.
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Sep 20, 2013 16:23
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Gamzee runs on serial killer / comic relief rules: things that would kill a normal hero or villain, they will somehow come back from.
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Sep 20, 2013 17:45
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Gamzee's going to actually die once, but then John will accidentally retcon the death.
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Sep 20, 2013 17:47
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I don't think gamzee's immortality is that unusual. I mean, he's one of lord english's servants right? doesn't lord english have a habit of cursing his staff with immortality to make sure they never leave his service? the time scales don't quite work out correctly, but since when has that ever been a problem for caliborn / lord english, the lord of time? now watch me be proved wrong in the next few updates when we see gamzee with a DEAD tag
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Rooreelooo posted:now watch me be proved wrong in the next few updates when we see gamzee with a DEAD tag It'll actually be a MOSTLY DEAD tag, which is still partly alive.
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Sep 20, 2013 19:28
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Gamzee's going to get an rear end in a top hat tag with a bunch of juggalo watermarks and then he fucks off to do whatever kind of stupid poo poo it is that he always does.
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Sep 20, 2013 19:36
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Caliborn couldn't keep down the clown. I don't have any higher hopes for Terezi.
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Martini Mice-Cream posted:I still don't understand how Gamzee is surviving all this when any other abuse like this would kill every other character(including godtiered ones). Showing instead of telling is not really Homestuck's MO so much, especially concerning character relationships. Unfortunately.
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