|
Any thoughts on Debian GNU/kfreebsd? I'm interested in installing the 32 bit version on an old desktop just to see how well it fares.
|
#
?
Jul 11, 2013 20:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 21:43 |
|
|
I'd consider it very experimental, but worth checking out. It could definitely be useful in certain circumstances.
|
|
#
?
Jul 12, 2013 00:23
|
|
|
First time working with BSD, and I'm confused about the "Search" field when I'm setting up my network configurations.code:
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2013 04:24
|
|
|
nescience posted:First time working with BSD, and I'm confused about the "Search" field when I'm setting up my network configurations. DNS lookups will append the search domain to your lookups if you just type a host. So if you have a local network and all the computers on on the domain 'mydomain.edu' you can type 'ssh computer' and it will try 'ssh computer.mydomain.edu'. There is also the 'domain' field as well you can add.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2013 04:44
|
|
|
doomisland posted:DNS lookups will append the search domain to your lookups if you just type a host. So if you have a local network and all the computers on on the domain 'mydomain.edu' you can type 'ssh computer' and it will try 'ssh computer.mydomain.edu'. There is also the 'domain' field as well you can add. so can I just leave this blank, since I'm not using it as a workstation? I'm just testing it as a web server.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2013 05:08
|
|
|
nescience posted:so can I just leave this blank, since I'm not using it as a workstation? I'm just testing it as a web server. Yes. Only situation where it might be handy is if you're expecting to use some sort of internal dns routing where you'd want to be able to use something besides the fqdn...but that's an edge case for sure. Don't forget sh /etc/netstart to refresh network interfaces, routes, etc. after changes to network configs 
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2013 05:56
|
|
|
nescience posted:so can I just leave this blank, since I'm not using it as a workstation? I'm just testing it as a web server. feel free to delete that line entirely Z3n posted:Don't forget sh /etc/netstart to refresh network interfaces, routes, etc. after changes to network configs That's completely unnecessary for resolv.conf changes, though
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2013 22:16
|
|
|
feld posted:That's completely unnecessary for resolv.conf changes, though Yeah. It's just one of those things I'm constantly forgetting after network changes
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2013 23:52
|
|
|
Guys, 9.2-BETA2 is out. Please test if you can. Also, if anyone here is a PLEX user I will be committing it to ports soon. You can get a preview of it here: https://github.com/felderado/plexmediaserver_port
|
|
#
?
Aug 4, 2013 16:47
|
|
|
I was actually going to post about that. I heard nothing about the beta status. I just know I updated my "9-STABLE", and suddenly it says "9.2-BETA2".
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2013 16:01
|
|
|
I get an automated email every day. The subject is "<servername> security run output". Part of it has changes in mounted filesystems, and it lists ZFS snapshots I've created and deleted. That sorta makes sense, as ZFS "directories" are treated as volumes. But it only lists some of the ZFS snapshots. If I create snapshots for "red", "blue", and "green", and then delete the "red-old", "blue-old", and "green-old" snapshots, it looks like this: -tank/blue-old (removed) +tank/blue (added) Basically, ignoring the rest of the changes ("red" and "green"). Whatever is reporting some of those file system changes is also messing with our backup software. Our backup software is told to ignore all ZFS snapshots, but is still recording the addition of the new "blue" volume over and over. We only have a few directories backed up, and it causes our backup software to hang when it suddenly sees dozens of new volumes added every day (since snapshots are created via a cronjob). Does anyone know why creating/deleting ZFS snapshots would trigger some sort of "changes in mounted filesystem" logs? What is monitoring this? Edit: It looks like this: http://forums.freenas.org/threads/odd-security-log-entries-daily.14078/ I have ten times the ZFS snapshots listed, though. Double Edit: It looks like if someone tries to recovery something from a Snapshot, the system mounts all snapshot sub-directories as volumes. "mount -p" displays a shitload of entries. It was causing our backup software (Retrospect) to get overwhelmed (a dozen volumes suddenly jumps to hundreds). After doing some tests, it seems like our backup software was querying /compat/linux/proc/mtab. Removing the "linprocfs" entry in /etc/fstab killed the Linux proc structure, and I was able to specify a /compat/linux/etc/mtab to give Retrospect a much shorter list of volumes to back up. I'm looking into how to get "security run output" to ignore changes in mounted volumes. I've trimmed it down to just 60 snapshot changes a day (creation and deletion), but that still leaves hundreds of existing snapshot directories (that could all potentially me mounted). Xenomorph fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Aug 21, 2013 |
|
#
?
Aug 21, 2013 14:16
|
|
|
Check /etc/periodic/security/200.chkmounts. It's basically the output of mount -p from today diffed with /var/log/mount.yesterday (which is the output of mount -p from yesterday). You can disable the check completely by setting daily_status_security_chkmounts_enable="NO" in /etc/periodic.conf.local
|
|
#
?
Aug 21, 2013 20:11
|
|
|
Cool, it only took them a bit over EIGHT MONTHS months to get the binary update for the MASSIVE DATA-CORRUPTION BUG pushed out: http://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-EN-13:03.mfi.asc
|
|
#
?
Aug 22, 2013 04:55
|
|
|
Look ma, more BSDs! http://edgebsd.org/
|
|
#
?
Aug 22, 2013 14:44
|
|
|
Xenomorph posted:Cool, it only took them a bit over EIGHT MONTHS months to get the binary update for the MASSIVE DATA-CORRUPTION BUG pushed out: only affects disks larger than 2TB. I recall reading something on the lists about the patch causing major issues on a certain mfi-based controller, so it took a while to get all hammered out. If companies would donate these guys more hardware they'd have a better test environment when testing patches like this... edit: nope. I'm thinking of a corruption caused by TRIM/UNMAP. Very odd this didn't get MFC'd before 9.1-RELEASE. The 9.1 freeze was happening during the commit of this patch to HEAD, but I'm guessing that they didn't feel they had enough time to properly test to make sure it doesn't cause worse symptoms before the 9.1-RELEASE so it was delayed. Bummer. feld fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Aug 23, 2013 |
|
#
?
Aug 23, 2013 19:14
|
|
|
9.1 was generally just kind of a hosed up release... fortunately, 9.2 should be dropping, like, today.
|
|
#
?
Aug 23, 2013 19:28
|
|
|
Leb posted:9.1 was generally just kind of a hosed up release... fortunately, 9.2 should be dropping, like, today. However, even numbered releases only get a year of security updates. Odd numbered get roughly 3. Edit: this is historically, not the rule. I've seen talk of just killing 8.3 and 8.4 because "there are no external entities forcing us to support these releases. we can choose what to support and for how long at any point" or something like that. So support can definitely change at the whim of the core team if they think it is going to hold back progress. edit2: looks like 9.2 RC3 is coming, so not today! feld fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Aug 24, 2013 |
|
#
?
Aug 23, 2013 21:37
|
|
|
feld posted:only affects disks larger than 2TB. And Dell sells these mfi-based systems with 3TB and 4TB disk options. We purchased ours with 12 3TB disks. I tested it for weeks/months, loaded FreeBSD 9.1 final on it, and then read about the disk corruption. I went from binary install RELEASE to source install STABLE around January 2nd, though. So I've been fixed since then. When 9.2-RELEASE comes out, I will probably update to that and not rely on compiling world & kernel.
|
|
#
?
Aug 24, 2013 03:38
|
|
|
I'll bring this up with the core team and find out why it missed 9.1 and no errata was issued sooner. edit: just spoke with gjb -- the patch was mismerged. they missed the revision that actually fixed the problem when it was being MFC'd. It was supposed to hit 9.1-RELEASE. Nobody spoke up until recently. In the future please make yourself loud on the mailing lists or pop in #bsddev on efnet. Make people aware if you see something like this. It wasn't intentional. edit2: If I were you I'd probably compile 9.1-RELENG and drop that on my system instead of 9.2 because 9.1 will get security updates longer. If you're using ZFS though you might want some of the new things in 9.2. edit3: I take that back... looks like they changed things up for 8.3 and 8.4 -- point releases are looking to get 2 years each. 9.2 will last you longer. Carry on! feld fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Aug 24, 2013 |
|
#
?
Aug 24, 2013 14:47
|
|
|
feld posted:In the future please make yourself loud on the mailing lists or pop in #bsddev on efnet. Make people aware if you see something like this. It wasn't intentional. I don't know how this magic works. I just give the FreeBSD Foundation money and play with their software. The 9.1 release errata (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/errata.html) mentioned it as a known issue already in 2012. It was fixed in the stable branch, just not included in the release binary. I figured they (the ones who provide FreeBSD) knew what they were doing, and would release a binary update when it was ready - so there was no need for me to speak up.
|
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2013 14:31
|
|
|
Xenomorph posted:I don't know how this magic works. I just give the FreeBSD Foundation money and play with their software. Hmmm I never noticed that listed in the errata page... I'll find out exactly when that was added. The date on that is very... concerning. edit: so they added that note on Dec 25th, then took until recently to realize they forgot to issue the actual errata... feld fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Aug 29, 2013 |
|
#
?
Aug 26, 2013 22:03
|
|
|
Well, at least this thread taught me that I should hate FreeBSD and not FreeNAS for packages not working :\
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2013 16:28
|
|
|
Does anyone in this thread use FreeBSD as a desktop environment? Are there any advantages over Linux?
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2013 19:10
|
|
|
keyvin posted:Does anyone in this thread use FreeBSD as a desktop environment? Are there any advantages over Linux? Yes. Advantage? Audio just works. keyvin posted:Does anyone in this thread use FreeBSD as a desktop environment? Are there any advantages over Linux? There is a huge shift going on and when this is all over you'll love it /more/ than Linux distro's package management.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2013 20:19
|
|
|
I don't think anyone's mentioned yet that there's a new BSD podcast, starting next week: http://www.bsdnow.tv/ BSDnow is hosted by Kris Moore (PC-BSD founder) & Allan Jude (Techsnap podcast host, FreeBSD guru, runs a CDN). It'll apparently cover all BSDs, not just FreeBSD.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2013 21:44
|
|
|
Wow, support for my graphics card got merged into 10-current just last week. Now I have to try running freebsd on my desktop.
|
|
#
?
Sep 2, 2013 21:03
|
|
|
Is there any good firmware out for Intel Centrino 6250 cards? Does *BSD still have no power management for laptops?
|
|
#
?
Sep 2, 2013 22:12
|
|
|
Well, my first attempt at upgrading to 10-current was a flop. I ran through all of the steps and then wound up with 9.1 as my version with uname -v. I am trying again, but I don't know where I hosed up. The handbook makes it sound so easy.
|
|
#
?
Sep 3, 2013 02:20
|
|
|
where I hosed up was having installed the 9.1 src into usr/src and then not deleting it before my svn check out... UPDATING has something in it from today now and before it hadn't been updated since 2011...
|
|
#
?
Sep 3, 2013 03:01
|
|
|
I'm going to put together a VM appliance for my customers to use, just a syslog/ftp sink for logs and backups from other parts of our solution, for smaller customers who don't have that sort of infrastructure in place already. I'd like it to be FreeBSD because that's the OS I know best for this, but I need a front end menu for things like "configure IP". Something similar to what sysinstall used (and I guess the new installer, I haven't installed from scratch for a while) so I can have a simple menu and some text fields. All the stuff to go behind that I'm fine with building myself, but I'm after suggestions for the front-end.
|
|
#
?
Sep 3, 2013 13:20
|
|
|
feld posted:Advantage? Audio just works. Audio didn't just work for me. It took me a little while to figure out that the driver defaulted to digital out on my sound card. Guess whoever wrote the driver uses digital out.
|
|
#
?
Sep 5, 2013 16:46
|
|
|
JamesOff posted:I'm going to put together a VM appliance for my customers to use, just a syslog/ftp sink for logs and backups from other parts of our solution, for smaller customers who don't have that sort of infrastructure in place already. bsdconfig was created to be a replacement for sysinstall; it's under ports as sysutils/bsdconfig
|
|
#
?
Sep 5, 2013 18:31
|
|
|
So, the iconv changes in 10 made for a fun day of portmaster invocations. I should have given up, built packages for everything currently installed with poudriere, uninstalled everything, and reinstalled. Oh well, next machine. Also: Thanks for the plex media server port ... I thought plex used one of the unimplemented linux syscalls? I've been running it on linux in a headless virtualbox instance, so being able to install it natively would remove some complexity.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2013 22:29
|
|
|
Computer viking posted:So, the iconv changes in 10 made for a fun day of portmaster invocations. I should have given up, built packages for everything currently installed with poudriere, uninstalled everything, and reinstalled. Oh well, next machine. you should really use poudriere / packages and never compile directly on your production server. Even if it's on that same server, all of the mess from building is done in a jail. It keeps your install very clean, and upgrading is no longer scary -- you never have to worry about having something half broken and waiting for compiles to finish. all your packages will be waiting to be upgraded at the same time. as for plex -- yeah, i was working with Elan of Plex on that for a while. It's natively built on FreeBSD now, but heed my warning -- only run it on FreeBSD 9.x for now. There's some python issues that I'm not sure he's fixed which affect FreeBSD 10. keyvin posted:Audio didn't just work for me. It took me a little while to figure out that the driver defaulted to digital out on my sound card. Guess whoever wrote the driver uses digital out. The device must enumerate the digital out as the first output. On FreeBSD you normally don't see the developers trying to be clever and outwit the hardware. PC-BSD might work around this by letting you test audio output during the install. I can't remember, though. sports posted:Is there any good firmware out for Intel Centrino 6250 cards? Centrino 6250 is WiMAX. I'm not sure of any support for that. Adrian now works at Netflix instead of Qualcomm, but he's still doing a ton of Wifi work. I don't know if he can get the specs or if he simply has never encountered the hardware, but at this point in time he's the guy to look to for guidance on any wireless hardware on FreeBSD. Power management -- what kind of issues are you having? Enable powerd, and if you want to sleep you run 'zzz'. I don't personally run on a laptop right now but a ton of the devs do and they have full support for their hardware. hifi posted:bsdconfig was created to be a replacement for sysinstall; it's under ports as sysutils/bsdconfig bsdconfig is also coming in base with FreeBSD 10. You can thank Devin Teske for that -- he's the driving force behind the new loader menu and bsdconfig among other things. I'll also leave you with this little gem he wrote recently: http://feld.me/freebsd/coffeebreak.sh Go and run that in a fullscreen terminal. edit: 9.2-RELEASE holdup last I knew was an issue with ISO size. It's slightly too big to be written on a CD by some CDRWs. They're hashing out ways to slim it down. feld fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Sep 12, 2013 |
|
#
?
Sep 12, 2013 21:16
|
|
|
I know, I just had some issues with my poudriere machine and the iconv changes, so I thought "it's just a few ports, it's probably easier to mangle them into working directly instead of finding the appropriate way to patch ports for poudriere" .In the end, it ended up with exactly zero actual port changes (and merely a lot of de/re-installing and cleanup), so things have gotten much better since I tried a week or three ago. And 9 only? Hm, I can't remember what that machine runs. It might actually be 9.1. Today's project: zfs send/receive a 4-disk zpool onto a new 4k-blocksize pool. Swap disks between the server and the eSATA enclosure. Try to boot from the new disks. If successful, wipe old disks, and add them to the new pool with 4k alignment. Finish by adding the so-far untouched disks from the other enclosure to the pool as well. The old disks are 4k-capable but the pool they're in is 512B-aligned; I thought I should clean that up before I add more disks. As an estimation it'll be done around midnight, I guess I'll do the rest on Monday. And yes, I do have backups. Computer viking fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Sep 13, 2013 |
|
#
?
Sep 13, 2013 11:32
|
|
|
feld posted:Power management -- what kind of issues are you having? Enable powerd, and if you want to sleep you run 'zzz'. I don't personally run on a laptop right now but a ton of the devs do and they have full support for their hardware. I'd understood that FreeBSD was shocking on laptops in terms of battery life, and that most devs who use a laptop are running Macbooks, and developing via SSH or VMs. Not true. I haven't got a suitable laptop to try it on right now. O.
|
|
#
?
Sep 13, 2013 14:04
|
|
|
Will FreeBSD 10 have an installer capable of installing the OS on a root ZFS volume?
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2013 22:06
|
|
|
alyandon posted:Will FreeBSD 10 have an installer capable of installing the OS on a root ZFS volume? Yes and no. Going by the current (sic) releases, you can choose to set up partitions by hand in a shell, which isn't too hard ... but there is still no nice curses-based way to do ZFS.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2013 22:09
|
|
|
alyandon posted:Will FreeBSD 10 have an installer capable of installing the OS on a root ZFS volume? You can try PC-BSD too.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2013 02:49
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 21:43 |
|
|
Computer viking posted:Yes and no. Going by the current (sic) releases, you can choose to set up partitions by hand in a shell, which isn't too hard ... but there is still no nice curses-based way to do ZFS. Yeah, I managed to get FreeBSD 10 installed via the memstick image onto a VM with a root ZFS partition using a custom script so that's definitely an improvement. Of course, I quickly discovered that pkgng still has an empty repository and all the pkg_* commands are no longer available so I'm left compiling everything from ports. :-/ Does anyone have any idea if pkgng is going to actually be in a usable state out-of-the-box by the time FreeBSD 10 is released?
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2013 16:10
|
|