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Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100

OWLS! posted:

Wait this wasn't obvious back in Nise? Because I'm fairly sure that Senjougahara went bdsm on him and all that at the beginning.

She tied him to a chair in the abandoned school to protect him and make some unnecessary Evangelion references. But at that point she still hadn't confronted Kaiki and wasn't as expressive as she is now.

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i300
Dec 30, 2012

There's something wrong with a 14-year old girl talking about all this sperm...

OWLS! posted:

Wait this wasn't obvious back in Nise? Because I'm fairly sure that Senjougahara went bdsm on him and all that at the beginning.

I'd say that, by the end of Nise, we understood completely who Senjougahara is and how she acts. There was a little bit more development in the beginning of Tsubasa Tiger, but that's really it. I'm sure we'll get more development in her arc, which I think is next (I think). They cut out Hana, so Koi comes after that (right?) after the next one.

Dan7el
Dec 7, 2008

My guess is that Ougi Oshino will have a major role in resolving this problem. Also, since the show has now introduced the capacity for time travel, it appears that Ougi Oshino is quite possibly from the future and was somehow already involved in the resolution.

Looks to be a really good arc, too.

Classy Hydra
Oct 30, 2011

You did wrong, Jack,
rest your soul.
The opening to this arc is pretty amazing, definitely my favorite of Second Season based solely off of their character relevance anyway.
Literally retracing her steps from the first season is pretty apt, given she's pretty desperate for something like that to break the monotony again; she even put on a hat again. The repetition works particularly well, given that Nadeko feels like she's just a sidecharacter that doesn't get development like the mains do- which was, funny enough, entirely true up until this point.

I really like how the overarching theme of time is pervading pretty much everything in S2 so far, one of my bigger worries was that the season would feel less cohesive than Bake or Nise, so it's nice to know I was totally worrying about nothing.

A jargogle
Feb 22, 2011

Dan7el posted:

Ougi Oshino

Ok I'm going to out and say this, I have absolutely no idea when this character was introduced or what they've done.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
I'm pretty sure she was just introduced this episode.

HoneyBoy
Oct 12, 2012

get murked son
She had a short conversation with Araragi just before Hachikuji's arc started. She's the one who told him about traffic signals and all that stuff about time, which later related to Hachikuji being hit by a car and also the time traveling.

HudsonFromAliens
Jun 14, 2012
The expressions on Nadeko's face in the new op are just the right amount of crazy.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
God drat it Araragi stop facetanking everything, you know what happens if you die and unleash the Shinobu. You're a ticking time bomb.

I've finally caught on the 'gatari, and while this arc looks pretty rad, I'm yet to warm to Nadeko. It's not just that she's so submissive that she tends to engineer her own destruction so to instigate a saviour, but it's because she's not fun. She has none of the back-chattiness of the other characters, to bounce her personality off Straight Man Araragi, but instead forces him to drive the events. And he resulted in reverting into yet another gormless harem lead.

This is probably what people used to criticize Hanekawa, but I never disliked her because she played a good Straight Man as well, and her emotions were much more accessible to the audience.

Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100
First half of the new episode (11) was so loving dull. I don't find Sengoku an engaging character at all.

Then Shinobu uppercuts Araragi and the episode's redeemed.

.Clash
Apr 10, 2009
Yea they seemed to go over the same thing more than once even. Thank gently caress for that second half. Great to see Shinobu interact with one of the other girls, plus I was laughing the entire time.

i300
Dec 30, 2012

There's something wrong with a 14-year old girl talking about all this sperm...
The Vampire Punch was amazing. Sengoku is pretty boring. I love the Snake, though. He's one of the few apparitions with interesting and funny personalities. "Where can I find the corpse?" "I dunno." Of course, everything Shinobu says is wonderful. And then the scene where Araragi is making excuses to get Sengoku to sleep over. What a guy.

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

Nadeko is more interesting here than she was in her Bake arc, for what it's worth.

Shinobu showing up with the shoryuken and putting a much needed verbal smackdown on her submissive moe moe demeanor while non-chalantly dragging an unconscious Araragi to the living room by his legs made the entire arc up to this point worth it :allears:

Actually this entire series so far has been a seemingly endless string of Shinobu being awesome and upstaging everyone else.

HoneyBoy
Oct 12, 2012

get murked son
No wonder Sengoku resents Shinobu. Not only does she vie for Shinobu's role as Araragi's sidekick/little sister character but she's also the only person to totally dress her down like that. Well the only one she's met thus far.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax
I don't watch Monogatari but I thought some people in this thread might be interested in this one thousand page key animation book that just went up for pre-order. I have all of the similar books released for Madoka Magica and I can vouch that they are of very good quality. If you like Monogatari and/or like art books, this is very much worth picking up.

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!
Always a relief to watch this show after a week of garbage premieres. Pretty amazing performance by Hanazawa.

Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100
The first half of this episode is great, but the second half is PURE GOLD

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
You know? I've really liked this show so far, despite all my misgivings I've had early on. While the fanservice can get really :rolleyes: after a while, some of the characters really changing feels like a good payoff. Like, despite all the Hanekawa fatigue I've had early on, Yui Horie REALLY knows how to sell the character coming down to grips with the fact that , lovely upbringing forcing you to reject all the negative aspects of yourself notwithstanding, you need to grow the gently caress up and owe up to the things you've done/caused. Both Shinobu and Mayoi are fun characters who get to be even funnier when you get them to interact with someone as... peculiar as the Araragi.

Also, Holy poo poo, Nadeko: When did you took a turn for the creepier?

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
That was one of the better episodes in any -monogatari.

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

Nadeko you may have just made up for all that time spent as a vapid pointless moeblob with one scene. I mean Kana Hanazawa just straight went off. :stare:

The ending was golden and holy poo poo why can't it be next week already?

Redcrimson
Mar 3, 2008

Second-stage Midboss Syndrome
Daayum, Tsukihi is cold-blooded. Daaayum, HanaKana has got range. Daaaaayum, poo poo is going down. This whole episode, just :drat:

I loved that the magical macguffin was just sitting in Araragi's porn stash. That is so -monogatari it hurts.

I now need an anime where HanaKana plays a bitchy foul-mouthed delinquent.

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

Redcrimson posted:

I now need an anime where HanaKana plays a bitchy foul-mouthed delinquent.

Binbougami Ga already exists!

Pistol Packin Poet
Nov 5, 2012

Everyone needs an
escape goat!

Coughing Hobo posted:

First half of the new episode (11) was so loving dull. I don't find Sengoku an engaging character at all.

Then Shinobu uppercuts Araragi and the episode's redeemed.

I had the same reactions. Shinobu's part might be the best part in the series IMO. She's probably my favorite character of all time. So :smug:


Coughing Hobo posted:

The first half of this episode is great, but the second half is PURE GOLD


Seriously. I thought I was gonna hate this arc, but all the episodes so far are so good. Basically that only time Araragi was in that episode I yelled, "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!" I love this goddamn series

Pistol Packin Poet fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Oct 6, 2013

i300
Dec 30, 2012

There's something wrong with a 14-year old girl talking about all this sperm...
That was wonderful. It's been said already, but that was an amazing performance by Hanazawa. I really like seeing that side of Nadeko. It proves that she isn't the dumb, boring, flat Nadeko we knew. poo poo is starting to pick up and I love it. Can't wait for next week.

Most importantly, this episode makes me question Araragi's relationships with his sisters more than ever.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
I liked her admitting so quickly that it wasn't the snake but her actual self that caused the outburst. The theme for this season in general seems to be characters being more truthful to themselves.

heiden
May 31, 2005

by Pipski
This is my favourite season of *monogatari and since it's unfortunately coming to an end, will there be more? Is there still lots of material and is the anime doing well enough to continue? I'm worried about another Spice+Wolf scenario where a well-liked novel adaption just disappeared into the abyss.

Btw I find the fan-service rather well done, if that's an attribute fan-service can earn. It's stylish.

Redcrimson
Mar 3, 2008

Second-stage Midboss Syndrome

heiden posted:

This is my favourite season of *monogatari and since it's unfortunately coming to an end, will there be more? Is there still lots of material and is the anime doing well enough to continue? I'm worried about another Spice+Wolf scenario where a well-liked novel adaption just disappeared into the abyss.

Shinbo has said he wants to adapt the entire series.

ultimatemegax
Feb 20, 2006

Damn Kiva symbols....

heiden posted:

This is my favourite season of *monogatari and since it's unfortunately coming to an end, will there be more? Is there still lots of material and is the anime doing well enough to continue? I'm worried about another Spice+Wolf scenario where a well-liked novel adaption just disappeared into the abyss.
The franchise is still very profitable for Aniplex (video discs and music) and Kodansha (original novels plus associated books), so there's a very high chance this series will be adapted to completion baring Nisio deciding to keep writing more (already one book more than planned).

Popo
Apr 24, 2008

Homestuck is a true work of art surpassing all of Shakespeare's works.

heiden posted:

This is my favourite season of *monogatari and since it's unfortunately coming to an end, will there be more? Is there still lots of material and is the anime doing well enough to continue? I'm worried about another Spice+Wolf scenario where a well-liked novel adaption just disappeared into the abyss.

Unlike S+W Monogatari has made huge money for its studio. Niso is also doing really well in general and wants all his work animated (though not exclusively via SHAFT) so Mono isn't going anywhere.
Katanagatari recently got a re airing so all is going well.

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!
The first volume of the BD/DVD release won't come out until Oct 23rd, so it's hard to tell what the sales will be like yet. That said they're unlikely to be under 40k, probably. Considering anything over 10k is a massive hit, this series is probably like printing money. Doubt they'll stop any time soon.

On the book side, Owarimonogatari 1 will be published Oct 23rd, so there are at least 3 more books to animate after this anime season is done. Not to mention goddamn Kizumonogatari.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Popo posted:

Niso is also doing really well in general and wants all his work animated

I thought it was the opposite- he thought his stuff was unfilmable, and it was Kodansha and SHAFT that really pulled for it. I know he's flat-out rejected a Zaregoto adaption. (:negative:)

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

They have confirmed that they're giving the Nekomonogatari Black treatment to the Kanbaru arc, so that's something to look forward to.

Granted, it was originally gonna be in this season but production issues forced them to do the recaps to buy time/save money.

Popo
Apr 24, 2008

Homestuck is a true work of art surpassing all of Shakespeare's works.

Autonomous Monster posted:

I thought it was the opposite- he thought his stuff was unfilmable, and it was Kodansha and SHAFT that really pulled for it. I know he's flat-out rejected a Zaregoto adaption. (:negative:)

Man, maybe I'm wrong then. I'm sure he said something to the effect of wanting to see more of his works animated in the same interview Shinbo called dibs on Monogatari. It's been a while since I read it but I was pretty sure...

One day I really want to see SHAFTs records of their planning meetings and what not. They seem to have a remarkable relationship with time management.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Popo posted:

Man, maybe I'm wrong then. I'm sure he said something to the effect of wanting to see more of his works animated in the same interview Shinbo called dibs on Monogatari. It's been a while since I read it but I was pretty sure...

Well, I guess I'm not the most reliable of sources. Most of what I know about this stuff comes from /a/. :v:

Popo posted:

One day I really want to see SHAFTs records of their planning meetings and what not. They seem to have a remarkable relationship with time management.



Wild-rear end guess out of nowhere: somewhere, there is someone who is not as willing to crack the whip as they should be. They can't have that bad a sense of time, or they'd be fundamentally incapable of animating, and I don't think they're that bad at pacing, relative to the industry as a whole. The only times when they seem to have problems with time management is when it comes to meeting deadlines.

(I don't know why I am thinking so hard about this)

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Nedeko's outburst was awesome, but was I the only one not quite a fan of the Eeeeyeeh? she added to the end of her sentences?

Redcrimson
Mar 3, 2008

Second-stage Midboss Syndrome

Raenir Salazar posted:

Nedeko's outburst was awesome, but was I the only one not quite a fan of the Eeeeyeeh? she added to the end of her sentences?

She's mimicking(or is becoming?) the snake. She also starts referring to herself with "ore-sama".

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Redcrimson posted:

She's mimicking(or is becoming?) the snake. She also starts referring to herself with "ore-sama".

For me she sounded like the stereotype of those high school delinquents though.

HoneyBoy
Oct 12, 2012

get murked son
You're wrong for thinking that, it was undoubtedly the best part.

Someone here mentioned Binbougami Ga which I think is both hilarious and a good display of Hanazawa's range, also she's a loving nut. Her bit this episode reminded me of her character in this show.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

Raenir Salazar posted:

Nedeko's outburst was awesome, but was I the only one not quite a fan of the Eeeeyeeh? she added to the end of her sentences?

I thought the fact that it wasn't great and kinda awkward only made things better. Like I believe the VA is fully capable of voicing an authentic delinquent eeeeehhhhh sound, but intentionally did it this way to fit the situation.

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RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!
Seriously that whole bit was fantastic and the VA deserves a medal, it couldn't have been more perfect.

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