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Anyone know much about Australian fascist/racist/generally terrible groups? Seems like the elections here were just a racism competition, both sides competitions to impress the racists the most. We tried to claim we didn't exist so refugees couldn't make landfall here! And immigration minister wants communities warned when alyssum seekers are released into a community, like what you do with sex offenders.
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ekuNNN posted:It is everyone's civic duty to continue to serve people who aren't being actively hostile towards them, because the alternative – that the societal group "friends of Tommy Robinson", narrow though it may be, are now excluded from all shops Maybe you shouldn't be friends with the tool then? ekuNNN posted:Should we refuse to serve the friends of all EDL hierarchy? Yes. ekuNNN posted:To the point where they're unwelcome in every supermarket and so end up starving, reduced to prowling common lands in feral packs, foraging for edible mushrooms? Sounds like a fine service to practical mycology. ekuNNN posted:Ask yourself, is that the Britain you want your children to grow up in? With packs of truffle-pig skinheads in mud-matted England shirts grazing through Epping Forrest? Not so Rosa Parks now, are we? Yes that sounds pretty excellent to me, see if we can get the fox hunting sorts to go and chase them through the forest and hit them with polo sticks for a lark. I feel I may be missing the point, is this supposed to be ironic or something because I am 100% in agreement with this article so far.
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Ah yes, that poor oppressed group, "Tommeh's friends". It's not like those Muslims who can just renounce their whole lifestyle, culture and deepest-held beliefs about the universe (or magically disabuse everyone of the stereotypes and myths about them), or black or Asian people who can just paint themselves white with felt-tips.
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Maybe it's just me but when people in this thread mention Tommeh I imagine a man named Tommy with so a neck so fat he can't hardly speak coherently, so whenever he tries to say his own name it comes out as "TOMMEH!" and it just stuck. He also has no chin and a small, pointed cranium so whenever he gets upset the red in his face mixes with the pasty yellow fat of his flesh making his head resemble a traffic cone.
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Tias posted:You guys are aware that Vice is a festering conglomeration of dickbaggage, made by and for hipster shitlords that regard everything, even honest-to-badness fascism, as so last years problem, right? Maybe some of it. They do have some drat good journalists and at least one great article a week. It's silly to disregard the whole thing. Their coverage of the EDL is usually pretty great tbh.
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I've used the phrase 'begging bowl' several times when talking about Tommeh's and the EDL's 'fundraising' efforts. That phrase has never been more appropriate than the Demo at  They even went so far as posting a pic of their begging bucket. "Look at all the money you idiots have given us!" Following this Tommeh decided to go on a "Charity" walk around Tower Hamlets. All the way though this walk folks were asking Tommeh and anyone on an official EDL twitter account/facebook page/whatever, what the charity was, since since they don't have a good record for charity work. Eventually folks caved and the "charity" turned out to be "Tommeh's Legal Fund", this revelation coming a just the same time as Tommeh took a diversion from this walk around Tower Hamlets to visit Woolwitch:  For the record, a Stone Island reflective jacket costs about £800. Having received all his donations for his charity Tommeh visited Selfredges with his friend, and I'm sure you know what happened after that... mfcrocker posted:Any money that if a pub refused to serve the shite we wouldn't be getting this liberal handwringing.  quote:A spokesman for Aspers, which operates the Milton Keynes “super casino”, said: “Tommy Robinson visited the Casino MK on Monday. He ended up winning over £1500 which requires players to show proof of ID. He didn’t have that on him so he came back the following day with the ID. This happened the same night Meanwhile, you might have spotted the EDL in Sheffield this weekend. This story is just so EDL I have almost no choice but to italicise the word 'so', and read it in my head in George Takei's voice. An abandoned pub there was up for prospective offers, and one such offer was from an Islamic group. In response to a local community pulling together and doing a thing, the EDL organised a 'demo' in the area. However, at the start of this week, the islamic group withdrew their offer, what with concerns over parking/access and the price tag being a bit high. But this wasn't going to prevent the EDL from demonstrating about an abandoned building becoming a mosque. Their march literally had no point, they could have called it off and, effectively, spun it as a victory. But doing so would mean that their day down the pub would be called off. Leaving us with headlines like this: ROADS will be closed in north Sheffield on Saturday as the far-right English Defence League holds a demonstration against now-abandoned plans to convert a pub into a mosque. I like to imagine the conversation went a little like this:  - MOSSSSSSSQUE!  - Oh, poo poo. Who let him in? Someone dangle some keys or something. - MOSSSSSSSQUE! - Look, it's not confirmed, there's one islamic group bidding among loads of others... - MOSSSSSSSQUE! - Seriously, they've got a poo poo case, there's parking and access concerns, and they're raising money through donation boxes in local shops, it's such a weak proposal that it'll never... - MOSSSSSSSQUE! - Look They've withdrawn it even! It's not going to happen, it'll remain as an abandoned eyesore, Are you happy? Will you go away now? - MOSSSSSSSQUE! -It's not a mosque! It's not going to be one! There's no reason for you to be here! - MOSSSSSSSQUE! - FMLEnd result: About 250 max, with a near 3-1 police ration in an operation estimated to cost over £800,000. The online presence were having difficulty keeping their members towing the official party line:  Bussing in 'local' supporters from all over the country tends to lead to it's own problems too:  See what I mean about it being so EDL? Pitiful turnout that shows that the Lee Rigby 'bump' is over and we're back to business as usual, a pointless demo about an issue that, literally, doesn't exist, ludicrously overcompensating police presence and violence amongst their own. SOOOOOOO EDL. And finally... A thing happened around the same time as his 'charity' walk. Tommeh recorded two begging videos for youtube (here and here) and chose an odd location for filming. The odd collection of numpties and cameras out late at night outside what is a very high-value residential area caused this to happen:  Turns out the home belonged to Tulisa Conto-stavlos, and she took Tommeh's presence rather seriously: http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/tulisa-driven-home-after-targeted-2291973#.Uj4WcZXMndg.twitter Tommeh hasn't taken this lying down: https://twitter.com/EDLTrobinson/status/381702510903169024/photo/1 And has responded like the mature, responsible, reasoned fellow he is: Claiming that Tulisa is using his fame to promote herself. lol and demonstrating his respect for equal rights for women (referred to several times in the first section of the EDL's Mission Statement.) The EDL is pro Human Right's, remember, it genuinely describes itself as a human rights movement. It is also, supposedly, a party of working class people - hence this political message from one of their Facebook Admins:  Welcome to Bizzarro world.
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If I were a British Fascist, I'd be pretty ashamed of them, and look for someone else to throw in with.
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The angry violent Daily Mail columnist only needs to see his magic word Shazam to become Fashman! Fashman must always regardless of purpose oppose: SHARIA! HALAL! ARABS! ZEITGEIST! ASIANS! MOSQUES!
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UKIP seem to be getting upset that HOPE not hate call them out on their fascist bullshit and being nazis in pinstripes, so they've proscribed them lol. http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/3074/ukip-have-proscribed-hope-not-hate quote:UKIP have proscribed HOPE not hate. I tried bolding the key points but the whole article would be in bold. It's a good article and kind of sums up UKIP.
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Sep 23, 2013 16:54
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Prescribing the anti-fascists who aren't led by a rapist! 
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It might not be the soundest logic in the world but it's remarkable how few organisations in the world with names like 'hope not hate' are actually not raving fascist extremists who should be boycotted by an (allegedly) serious political party. Oh and I've a question, near where I live there's this house with a great big george cross flag on the side of it, with the words 'this flag flies with pride' embroidered on it. I was always really confused why you'd stick that on your house but I noticed some of the EDL folks seem to have a fondness for writing on flags and I was wondering if I might have discovered the local chapter of the EDL or something.
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OwlFancier posted:I was always really confused why you'd stick that on your house but I noticed some of the EDL folks seem to have a fondness for writing on flags and I was wondering if I might have discovered the local chapter of the EDL or something. Does Britain consider writing on flags kind of disrespectful? I know you're not as big on the flag worship as America but even here when someone wears the Aussie flag as a cape someone will groan.
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Does Britain consider writing on flags kind of disrespectful? I know you're not as big on the flag worship as America but even here when someone wears the Aussie flag as a cape someone will groan. No, defacement (in the proper sense of the term) of the Union flag and the national flags has a long history in the UK, often with official approval.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Maybe some of it. They do have some drat good journalists and at least one great article a week. It's silly to disregard the whole thing. Their coverage of the EDL is usually pretty great tbh. I don't know, I've read good articles, but it's more on the "broken clock, twice a day" level to me.
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OwlFancier posted:I was always really confused why you'd stick that on your house but I noticed some of the EDL folks seem to have a fondness for writing on flags and I was wondering if I might have discovered the local chapter of the EDL or something. There are also a depressingly large amount of folks who honestly believe that flying the national flag is all but illegal, in case they offend a Pakistani, Stu. You may just have one of them. Optimism 
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And don't forget all England football shirts are suddenly banned every world cup.
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Does Britain consider writing on flags kind of disrespectful? I know you're not as big on the flag worship as America but even here when someone wears the Aussie flag as a cape someone will groan. I don't know about disrespectful but I've always found it kind of stupid. Surely the point of a flag is that it symbolises a country without the need for language? If you write the name of the country on it, then it's just a sign.
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OwlFancier posted:Oh and I've a question, near where I live there's this house with a great big george cross flag on the side of it, with the words 'this flag flies with pride' embroidered on it.  for not having planning consent, say you're terribly offended by it being defaced with writing or some such bollox https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/15438/flying_flags_guide.pdf Plain English Guide to flying flags, Department for Communities and Local Government posted:The Government has recently made changes to regulations which widen the types of flags which you may fly in England. This guide provides a brief summary of the new, more liberalised, controls over flag flying that were introduced on 12 October 2012. nooo my flag pride 
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Pilchenstein posted:I don't know about disrespectful but I've always found it kind of stupid. Surely the point of a flag is that it symbolises a country without the need for language? If you write the name of the country on it, then it's just a sign. Yeah, that is pretty stupid, but it follows a sort of consistent logic. Basically defacement started as a quick and dirty way of making up flags for colonies (as can still be seen in the flags of Australia and New Zealand, for example). The practice of writing the name of a town or a club on a Union Flag dates from the First World War, when the Pals Battalions were hastily thrown together - to help gather conscripts heading for the front find the correct train/boat/whatever a flag would be defaced with the name of the town (or even social or sports club or factory) from which the men had been recruited and held aloft as a rallying point, in the same way ceremonial standards (or colours) were used in the regular Army. Obviously these flags became valued mementoes after the war, not least because of the uniquely tragic psychological impact of throwing the Pals into the meat grinder of the Western Front. They can be seen occasionally in civilian gatherings like memorial marches, football matches, and so on. The practice sort of lay fallow for a while until the 50s, when British clubs first started travelling abroad (first for pre-season tours to show Johnny Foreigner how to plat the game, then for international tournaments) when the defaced flag was useful for groups travelling together to meet up. You still see them used in that context in football matches to this day, defaced with the name of the town or area that a group is from rather than the name of the club. In the 70s it started to become the fashion to deface the flag with the name of the football club as well as the area the group was from, and eventually the area was dropped leaving just the club. It's around then that you first start to see the national flags replacing the Union Flag - first in Scotland, of course, then in England as a reaction to that (although Union flags were still a common sight at England games right into the 90s). Sellers of tat, as always, were slightly confused by this whole thing so started selling pre-defaced flags, normally with just "England" on a St. George Cross (although sometimes on a Union Flag), in the early 90s just as football started to crawl out of the doldrums. The new fans, who didn't really understand the history of the defacements and just bought them, and now it's almost impossible to buy a St. George Cross *without* England written across it.
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HEGEL CURES THESES posted:If I were a British Fascist, I'd be pretty ashamed of them, and look for someone else to throw in with. I don't know.. they seem to be marginally better organized than the BNP, at least - who in one of their pamphlets decided to present the idea that they were "fighting the battle of Britain" by using an image of a Polish spitfire. The current crop of racist parties are letting the bigot's side down. If people are bigots, they should vote for more efficient party. The Conservatives spring to mind.
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Didn't pal battalions result in entire villages' male populations being depopulated?
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Didn't pal battalions result in entire villages' male populations being depopulated? Not quite, although in some places it was drat close, with some of them having >80% casualty rates. Of course it also meant that the psychological effects of war (particularly as bloody and senseless a war as WWI was) were vastly multiplied, because every single person your unit lost was someone you'd known since childhood. The fact that they were barely trained and used as straight-up cannon fodder at the Somme (the Pals were used on the northern flanks of the attack to mask the main thrust from the regulars in the centre) only made it all the worse.
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Ddraig posted:I don't know.. they seem to be marginally better organized than the BNP, at least - who in one of their pamphlets decided to present the idea that they were "fighting the battle of Britain" by using an image of a Polish spitfire. The Tories and Dave Cameron are run by UAF. No, really. Cameron is a UAF founding signatory, this means that he's in UAF's pocket and he must do everything they tell him to, which is why he's said nasty things about the EDL, and done gently caress all else. There are some who genuinely believe this; that UAF are a global, monolithic shadow group who run everything from behind the scenes. Everyone who opposed the EDL are part of UAF. FACT. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that an element of this is why UKIP have proscribed Searchlight/HnH. edit: Oh, and on the subject of flags: 
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In reality, though, UAF are just the most successful SWP front group. So successful they've got Tories to back them.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Does Britain consider writing on flags kind of disrespectful? I know you're not as big on the flag worship as America but even here when someone wears the Aussie flag as a cape someone will groan. No not really, we often have all sorts of nice variations on the union flag, patterned fabrics and things arranged into the shape of a union flag and such, though scrawling words all over them about pride and stuff is generally considered a little... tasteless I suppose? Not to be impolite but it's regarded as a little bit American, sort of overly garish. not the sort of thing we do kind of thing. There's no rule against it, it's just generally apart from football flags with ENGLAND written on the middle I've never really seen it much. Other than in that picture a few pages back of the EDL with stuff written on the flags. KayTee posted:There are also a depressingly large amount of folks who honestly believe that flying the national flag is all but illegal, in case they offend a Pakistani, Stu. Oh yes my grandmother is sure that it's illegal to fly the George Cross because Pakistanis complained about it. I'm sure she read it in the Mail or something. It could be one of them, it's just odd because it's a huge-rear end flag stuck on the end of a terrace facing the rail tracks, you can see it a mile off. Ddraig posted:I don't know.. they seem to be marginally better organized than the BNP, at least - who in one of their pamphlets decided to present the idea that they were "fighting the battle of Britain" by using an image of a Polish spitfire. Oh god that was glorious. 303 squadron, still kicking nazi arse six decades after the war ended. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Sep 24, 2013 |
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JoylessJester posted:And don't forget all England football shirts are suddenly banned every world cup. The way England played at the last World Cup it might have been better to ban the players! On the flag issue it is a real shame that some people are afraid of showing pride in their nation/flag because they may be mistaken for having far right wing sympathies. I guess the English flags with the word "England" on them are there to aid those who failed GCSE Geography, in the perhaps vain hope they can read.
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I wonder what would happen if you pointed out Addias is German based to them.
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Fideles posted:The way England played at the last World Cup it might have been better to ban the players! On the flag issue it is a real shame that some people are afraid of showing pride in their nation/flag because they may be mistaken for having far right wing sympathies. It's a ban on some football jerseys to prevent hooligans and drunks from kicking off if they are in close proximity wearing different club colours rather than a "pride" issue. EG pubs in South London banning certain jerseys in case Crystal Palace and Millwall fans show up in the same pub and kick off because they see rival club fans. Most of the time it's not the England jersey that is actually banned, it's other football club jerseys. It's the same story rattled in the tabloids each time the world cup and euros come around, just with a few details "omitted" like the specifications of the ban ("No club colours or jerseys" is usually the one that's ommitted off the police or landlords statements) to bait the story. Sex Vicar fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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There is also the inherent classism you find in a lot of places that people who wear football shirts are "not the sort of people we want in here".
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Bozza posted:There is also the inherent classism you find in a lot of places that people who wear football shirts are "not the sort of people we want in here". Is it classicist though? Are there groups out there who cause as much trouble as football fans do on a regular basis? Do rugby, cricket, cycling or athletics fans require the vast police presence football fans do? The EDL were mostly formed out of football hooligan firms. Have undesirables who profess fandom of other sports or hobbies, excepting stunt aerobatics, formed a fascist party?
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Bozza posted:There is also the inherent classism you find in a lot of places that people who wear football shirts are "not the sort of people we want in here". Oh for sure. that's an element as well but that doesn't play in the tabloid bait stories in this specific instance. Plus, those sort of landlords are usually classist twats all year round when it comes to football fans. It's just that when it comes to the world cup and with pubs that wouldn't really mind England jerseys but want to prevent things from kicking off when people have a few jars in them and see someone else in club colours, they want to take preventative measures and usually work with the police to knock it off. Last Euro's I remember there was a police letter circulated around landlords suggesting banning Jerseys except England jerseys in pubs in South London because they didn't want rival fans kicking off due to them mixing in the same pubs instead of the separate pubs they normally drink in on match day. Tabloids jumped on it, omitted the specifics of the ban and blamed the "ethnics" because it was just easy bait to say "COPPERS BAN ENGLAND JERSEYS BECAUSE IT OFFENDS THE FOREIGNS". It's a repeated story every year of a big competition that comes around like clockwork when it really is a case of landlords not wanting to have drunk idiots kick off in pubs over territorial bullshit and drive off customers who want to watch the football. Instead the tabloids blame people who have nothing to do with it. It's spectacularly sad but then indicative of how the press operates to bait articles and how morons get their ideas that flags and jerseys are banned.
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happyhippy posted:I wonder what would happen if you pointed out Addias is German based to them. Well Addidas founder Adolf Dassler was a Nazi. Although it should be noted that his brother Rudolf Dassler, who founded PUMA, was much more passionate about Nazism than Adolf ever was.
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HEGEL CURES THESES posted:If I were a British Fascist, I'd be pretty ashamed of them, and look for someone else to throw in with. "Right, that's it. At least the commies are literate enough to produce papers. Long live Lenin or whatever."
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Is it classicist though? Are there groups out there who cause as much trouble as football fans do on a regular basis? Do rugby, cricket, cycling or athletics fans require the vast police presence football fans do? The difference is between large groups of football fans together, and one bloke in a Luton Town shirt getting booted out of some hipster pub because "no football shirts". The first, I would agree with you, but the second is almost always classism.
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