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Barent posted:Speaking of Steins;Gate, should I bother with the anime? Or is the VN better? Or, if I should do both, does it matter what order? Steins;Gate managed to have an excellent anime adaption, but the VN is still overall better. You don't really have Okabe's internal monologues in the anime or the fun little cell phone fluff conversations. And you also obviously lose out on content and other endings. It's definitely up to just what you prefer though, since it can't be stressed enough that the anime was realllly good.
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With CLANNAD, the anime was an attractive alternative because there is such much excess in that game that it made sense to watch something that cut down on it. Not to mention things like Tomoya not being voiced. With S;G, that is significantly less of a problem. So you're really just ultimately giving up more S;G content for no real gain. The VN also has an undeniably more attractive art style. I would say that the anime is a good replacement for anyone who has any reservations about reading a VN (the alternative would be to just not experience Steins;Gate at all, after all, which would suck), but otherwise I see no reason to not go with the VN instead.
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Thanks for all the responses, I'll definitely check out Steins;Gate (likely the anime as well) and Fate/Stay Night first. Is Fate/hollow ataraxia any good? I'll probably give Higurashi, Umineko, Tsukihime, and Ever17 a look as well, because who knows how many VNs I'll be able to get through. Planetarian looks like it'll be right up my alley, despite the lack of choices. I was directed to VNs by a friend who found out I have a habit of reading along with audiobooks, and it seems like Planetarian will emulate that pretty well. That reminds me, are there any decent VNs that have english voice overs? I will likely give Muv Luv a try as well, but at a later time when I can get all of my angsting done in private.
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Yeah, as someone who actually watched the anime before playing the VN, I'll say that the VN had two definite things going for it: Okabe's internal monologue and the art style. I actually liked his character in the anime a lot more than before when rewatching some episodes because I had more information on his motivations. I felt it was a great shame they couldn't bring the art style to the anime when I saw how the VN looked. Budget constraints and nigh impossible animation, I suppose. edit: I will say that the anime has pretty great cinematography, though. It has its unique style as well which fits the atmosphere quite well. Dessel fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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Watuhboy posted:Thanks for all the responses, I'll definitely check out Steins;Gate (likely the anime as well) and Fate/Stay Night first. Is Fate/hollow ataraxia any good? I can't think of any actual VNs with english voice acting, in the truest sense at least, something like Virtue's Last Reward (the 999 sequel) has a great english VA cast but it's also an escape the room game as well as a VN. (series is great though) Re: Fate/Hollow ataraxia, it's decent from what I've read (which is admittedly not a lot) but it's been in TL hell for ages and will probably still be in progress for like another six months at this rate.
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Watuhboy posted:Thanks for all the responses, I'll definitely check out Steins;Gate (likely the anime as well) and Fate/Stay Night first. Is Fate/hollow ataraxia any good? It has some good scenes and a couple very good new characters, but ultimately it's an inconsequential fandisk made up mostly of character gags. The translation project for it has also kind of been lost in limbo for years. As for English voiced VNs, I've never heard of any and it'd really surprise me if it were because there isn't that much of a western market for them - it's gradually opening up with the localization of popular novels that aren't outright porn games, as well as some indie titles, but neither avenue has much of a budget to add something like full voice over replacement. edit: portable system VN/games.
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The Steins;Gate anime does the climax infinitely better, though, and it strips out a couple of actively bad or stupid scenes from the VN. Particularly, evil Nae.
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Myriad Truths posted:The Steins;Gate anime does the climax infinitely better, though, and it strips out a couple of actively bad or stupid scenes from the VN. Particularly, evil Nae.
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If you didn't understand Okabe just as well without the internal monologues, you weren't paying attention. He's not exactly what he seems, but he's not very complicated either.
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Keeping in mind that you are Tsukihime and Ever17 are great reads when you're in your position; you won't notice their major flaws if you aren't looking for them, and they have things in common with other, better VNs, that you'll appreciate more when you recognize them. Tsukihime has awful skippable sex scenes and some downer endings you need for the final path, and the ending of Ever17 is so amazing that I really suggest trudging through the boring parts to get to it. Phoenix Wright for GBA/DS is a videogame first and a feel-good thriller second, great gameplay with a plot you can predict like the rising sun. The DS versions are identical to the GBA ones, although the first game has a bonus campaign on DS, but play them in chronological order regardless of the system. There's some solid tension, but it has about as much in common with serious legal drama as Scooby-Doo has with film noir detectivery, so don't worry about it getting too bleak. Conversely, avoid Saya no Uta as if you were being chased by something terrifying, such as any of the main characters. I want you to start writing down all the awful things you can think of so let me go ahead and cut you now off because, without naming names, all of those things happen. Yes, even that. And they happen a lot, over and over, until you become numb, and then it gets even worse.
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Honestly, just do 999 (and VLR if you can) instead of Ever17 if you're interested in it. Ever17 may have a better ending, but 999 is miles ahead when it comes to the journey, pacing, and keeping things interesting even if you have to repeat puzzle rooms. Umineko Episode 3: Rosa just admitted to killing Beatrice  What on earth is she talking about?And there's a butler in here wearing a monocle who's voiced by Sugita  Things just got amazing now.
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planetarial posted:Honestly, just do 999 (and VLR if you can) instead of Ever17 if you're interested in it. Ever17 may have a better ending, but 999 is miles ahead when it comes to the journey, pacing, and keeping things interesting even if you have to repeat puzzle rooms. I don't disagree that 999 is worth playing if possible, but I do disagree about it being better than Ever17 in most ways. Just play them both and decide for yourself. (Well, if 999 is available to you, anyway).
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Soho Joe posted:Conversely, avoid Saya no Uta as if you were being chased by something terrifying, such as any of the main characters. I want you to start writing down all the awful things you can think of so let me go ahead and cut you now off because, without naming names, all of those things happen. Yes, even that. And they happen a lot, over and over, until you become numb, and then it gets even worse. That's a very unfair critique unless you think the poster is a child.
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planetarial posted:Honestly, just do 999 (and VLR if you can) instead of Ever17 if you're interested in it. Ever17 may have a better ending, but 999 is miles ahead when it comes to the journey, pacing, and keeping things interesting even if you have to repeat puzzle rooms. If you only read one it should be 999, but if you want to read all of them then I'd recommend
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Nephilm posted:That's a very unfair critique unless you think the poster is a child. quote:Please don't give me anything that will leave me moping about for days after I'm finished with it, the people I'm going to be working with won't appreciate it. Dude didn't want something depressing. I think it's easy to see why someone would find Saya no Uta depressing.
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Watuhboy posted:Thanks for all the responses, I'll definitely check out Steins;Gate (likely the anime as well) and Fate/Stay Night first. Is Fate/hollow ataraxia any good? Yeah, Hollow Ataraxia is supposed to have some nice stuff in it, but God only knows when the translation will be finished. From what I understand, a couple of partial patches have been released and the % done on the actual translation is pretty high at this point, but progress is glacial and what has been translated is a patchwork of shoddy jobs by a dozens of different translators, some of whom have been almost google translate level. The best I can say is that at this point, it might be faster to wait for the translation than to teach yourself Japanese and read it raw. I have literally done exactly that while waiting for it. All those picks are good and should keep you sated a long time, aside from Planetarian they're all really long. It's already been said a bunch of times, but I'll echo the Muv Luv recommendation, at least whenever you feel up for it. It's a really powerful story that draws you in and spurs up emotion. The first part is really slow, but at some point it just clicks for you and you can't put it down. I think I played it for nearly 48 hours without sleeping my first time.
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Note that if you do Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya is a decent sort-of sequel followup.
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Nephilm posted:That's a very unfair critique unless you think the poster is a child. I may have come across as patronizing, but let me explain. Some of my friends like Dead Space, because murdering space-zombies with lasers is badass. Some of my friends don't, because monsters jumping out and yelling at you is stressful. But there is a third group; lunatics like me. I enjoy awful things because it makes me feel alive, and I love feeling terrible if it's entertaining, like riding a rollercoaster or eating spicy food. See, this way, my hyperbole entices the people that will enjoy the thing, while dissuading the people that won't, and I get to sound like an idiot either way  Edit: Yes, I see you understand completely 
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Play Yandere, I can't stress how awful and uncomfortable it made me feel.
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Pureauthor posted:Note that if you do Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya is a decent sort-of sequel followup. The main story of Kagetsu Tohya is really boring, but some of the side stories are good. Also, be sure to turn the sex scenes off; it's a good thing the game gives you the option, because those scenes are depraved.
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Soho Joe posted:I may have come across as patronizing, but let me explain. Some of my friends like Dead Space, because murdering space-zombies with lasers is badass. Some of my friends don't, because monsters jumping out and yelling at you is stressful. But there is a third group; lunatics like me. I enjoy awful things because it makes me feel alive, and I love feeling terrible if it's entertaining, like riding a rollercoaster or eating spicy food. Oh, I understand, I think. So... absolutely never read Maiden Rape Assault: Violent Semen Inferno? This is an actual thing that exists and got localized 
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After my original posting like a week ago about starting MuvLuv Extra, I finished Unlimited Yesterday and started up Alternative. I ended up playing all the routes in Extra and then did Sakaki and Yuuko's in Unlimited. I ended up enjoying Tama's Extra route quite a bit, but they were pretty bad overall like everyone said, but the ending of Meiya's route in Extra was painful to read. It was such a ridiculous joke ending it kinda upset me. I really enjoyed Unlimited a lot since Sakaki got a lot of the spotlight and she's become probably become my favorite of the main cast. But I enjoyed the character interactions of Unlimited since they are soo different than in Extra. Especially how Marimo is interacting with everyone now. I'm very much looking forward to Alternative and them killing some drat BETA already. I'm curious about one thing though, and if it's some type of cryptic spoiler let me know, but is it just some type of glitch that Takeru is only voiced in like specific flashbacks and parts of the game in Unlimited? At the beginning of Alternative I think they did a flashback where he spoke as well.
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Green Tea Erotica posted:I'm curious about one thing though, and if it's some type of cryptic spoiler let me know, but is it just some type of glitch that Takeru is only voiced in like specific flashbacks and parts of the game in Unlimited? At the beginning of Alternative I think they did a flashback where he spoke as well. Nope, he only has voiced lines in flashbacks. If anyone knows why it'd be good if they shared (perhaps it's a stylistic choice?), but it has no significance to the plot or anything. On a related note, Sakaki has no more spotlight in Unlimited than the other girls aside from specifically choosing to have scenes with her. Though it ultimately doesn't matter, I think Meiya's UL ending wraps things up better.
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Nephilm posted:Nope, he only has voiced lines in flashbacks. If anyone knows why it'd be good if they shared (perhaps it's a stylistic choice?), but it has no significance to the plot or anything. I'm probably only noticing because of the lack of Sumika time. Or the fact that she talks the most to explain things and the like in Unlimited.
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I love that the majority of Muv Luv is just the training and the building up to the end. Not much really happens, yet the story is always interesting. Its pretty impressive really.
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Watuhboy posted:I like the character-focused comedy/drama thing that Key does, and I am quite partial to happy endings, even if it's a long, lovely road to get there. Please don't give me anything that will leave me moping about for days after I'm finished with it, the people I'm going to be working with won't appreciate it. I'm also up for recommendations for something totally different from the stuff I've read so far if the general consensus is "This VN is pretty great." Key's games are part of a genre known a 'nakige', or 'crying games.' Nakige start off comedic, shift into tearful drama, then wrap up with a happy ending (or at least a bittersweet one.) Games in the genre are usually very light on the sexual content. Based on your preferences, I'd recommend: Ever 17 - Out of Infinity Genre: Mystery/Sci-fi Sexual Content: None https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uz3yQmPsrY Seven guests become trapped in an underwater amusement park after an accident. D.C. ~Da Capo~ Genre: Romance Sexual Content: Low https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N37wKdkHLKI Love blooms on an island with a magical sakura tree. D.C. II ~Da Capo II~ Genre: Romance Sexual Content: Low https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hubshff5HU Set 50 years after the original Da Capo. ef - a fairy tale of the two. Genre: Drama/Romance Sexual Content: Low https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7ovd8WtHZM Five tales of romance, all of which are connected. Told over the span of two games. the first tale is available now, and the latter tale is coming soon. latter tale needs tissues. Kira Kira Genre: Drama/Comedy Sexual Content: Low or None (depending on the version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFcnXrPXStM The Second Literature Clubs forms a punk rock band for the cultural festival. But what's this about it being an all-girl group? And going on tour? Some routes need tissues. Symphonic Rain Genre: Drama/Slice-of-life Sexual Content: None https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtkM0Aza4qw A music student searches for his ideal vocalist in a city of rain. Includes a music mini-game. Tissues needed. G-senjou no Maou Genre: Drama/Thriller Sexual Content: Low https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVs8bmhuzg8 Your life as the son of a yakuza boss gets a lot more complicated when a girl named Usami arrives in town, claiming to be searching for the 'Maou'. Has some non-sexual violence in the text, but not too bad. Tissues needed for the true end. Yoake Mae yori Ruri Iro na -Brighter than Dawning Blue- Genre: Romance Sexual Content: None in the translated version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReTQvtBhJmo The princess of the Moon is coming to Earth for a homestay. And she's going to be staying at your house! The current patch only covers half of the routes in the game, but the full patch should be out in a few months.
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Still really early on Fate/Stay Night, but I must say, with hitting the first two bad ends, Ilya is pretty messed up. Only on early day 4(reading kiiiinda slow), but I am enjoying it quite a bit.
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Will chip in my support for G-Senjou no Maou. I've been reading it over the last week and it is excellent. Only just started the final chapter so I'm not at the supposed tear jerker yet, but there's been several very powerful moments, the characters are interesting and well written, and the Death Note style plot battles are awesome and a lot of fun to read as each character manages to strike a solid balance between seeming incredibly intelligent without jumping the line to inhuman prophet.
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One of my bros on the SC2 board recommended I share the project a friend and I are working on here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429348 It's exactly what it sounds like. It's also going to be amazing when it's finished. Download and play the demo, and leave feedback. Thanks.
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i heard about this from a friend who watches a ton of starcraft, do i have to have knowledge of starcraft to understand it?
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ADullMin posted:i heard about this from a friend who watches a ton of starcraft, do i have to have knowledge of starcraft to understand it? Definitely not. There will be references for the SC2 fans, but context will be provided in the overarching story. In fact, playing will end up teaching you a lot about the esports scene. I had a small write up on Lemmasoft after answering the same question. We chose the Starcraft pro scene because it's rich with background that's easy to understand, not because we want to exclude anyone/make it for our sekrit club. And yes, I know two of our characters look exactly look SnK characters. Our artist was uninspired/has a crush on Levi.
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Zeratanis posted:Still really early on Fate/Stay Night, but I must say, with hitting the first two bad ends, Ilya is pretty messed up. Make sure you're reading the tigers dojo when you get bad ends, they are great.
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These ridiculous outfits in MLU have me wondering does Takeru also wear a metal thong and does he have a little window for his balls or what  Edit: Every time Takeru says "hey now" this comes to mind (  )Edit 2: I don't really get Japanese social etiquette being translated super-literally but I think it's growing on me; saying "hey [given name]" garners the same reaction that bellowing "hey you fat gently caress, do you still touch little boys" on a crowded train does, so I will never stop laughing when it happens. Soho Joe fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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They are transparent to sort of make sure the recruits are less modest about nudity in front of each other, similar reason i guess that showers are unisex in some militaries (and in Starship Troopers).
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Mordaedil posted:They are transparent to sort of make sure the recruits are less modest about nudity in front of each other, similar reason i guess that showers are unisex in some militaries (and in Starship Troopers).  ) justification.Still, I've seen dumber pilot suits in mecha series that don't actually have porn in them.
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Its a good thing they actually -Fashion Spoiler-[spoiler]change this later on with the black pilot suits after training[spoiler]-Fashion Spoiler- so the decision to make the recruits less modest about nudity actually makes sense. What I also like is the amount of detail there is in the world, such as those long boring lectures about the different species of BETA. It gives a great feeling of "We've studied these things, know what they do but that honestly doesnt put us a step closer to victory" feeling you also get in games like X-Com with the alien autopsies. They should do a proper Muv Luv strategy game, as the setting is so right for it. The Altered Fable one (I think Faraway Dawn or something along those lines) was really good and rather challenging at times.
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Endorph posted:Though, that's a pretty transparent ( Yeah, I just imagine it is flesh-colored anyway. It is kind of a cop-put that Takeru gets the higher tier one right away though. I wouldn't have minded a few laughs at his expense.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:They should do a proper Muv Luv strategy game, as the setting is so right for it. The Altered Fable one (I think Faraway Dawn or something along those lines) was really good and rather challenging at times. Did you play it on Easy or something? Try Hell or Real.
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I did play it on Hell difficulty, but I also had a friend help me and alongside the translation of the commands he also dropped tactical hints. There were only a few bumps in the road due to this. I'm very used to insanely difficult games like X-Com Terror From the Deep on Superhuman mode, I felt it was comparable if somewhat harder.
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