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cakesmith handyman: Jul 22, 2007; Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Hashal posted:

The mirror is literally in the center of the car in that picture from the article.

Front to rear, the driver sits in the center of most vehicles these days, 70mph crumple zones don't come out of nowhere unfortunately.

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# ? May 10, 2024 02:06

Vigo327: Dec 24, 2012; IF I CONTINUE TO WHINE ABOUT THE PROBATIONS I RECEIVE, REPORT THIS POST SO THAT I CAN BE PROBATED AGAIN

Mighty Horse posted:

There is a rumor floating around allpar that they are toying with some sort of Dodge based on modified version of the platform too.

That would be wonderful.

I'm still mad they never built the Copperhead concept. Back when it came out it was the coolest looking thing i'd ever seen. A 4c-based dodge could be a modern day equivalent.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 15:26

Coredump: Dec 1, 2002

Vigo327 posted:

That would be wonderful.

I'm still mad they never built the Copperhead concept. Back when it came out it was the coolest looking thing i'd ever seen. A 4c-based dodge could be a modern day equivalent.

The Copperhead is so cross eyed and ugly. How in God's name does anyone find it attractive? Its got jowls and a sunken in face for Christ sakes.

Coredump fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Sep 25, 2013

# ? Sep 25, 2013 16:12

DoLittle: Jul 26, 2006

Copperhead looks good. I don't know how the 4C based Dodge would work out, as the 4C production is already limited by production capacity for the tub. I guess they could build a larger production facility for carbon tubs, but that seems like a risky investment.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 16:14

Bouillon Rube: Aug 6, 2009

Hashal posted:

The mirror is literally in the center of the car in that picture from the article.

The mirror probably handles really well becuase of the near-perfect weight ditribution.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 16:56

Vigo327: Dec 24, 2012; IF I CONTINUE TO WHINE ABOUT THE PROBATIONS I RECEIVE, REPORT THIS POST SO THAT I CAN BE PROBATED AGAIN

Coredump posted:

The Copperhead is so cross eyed and ugly. How in God's name does anyone find it attractive?

Keep in mind my post included the works "back when". Here is what pontiac was doing that year. Dig the chromed 3-spoke wheels yo!

DoLittle posted:

I don't know how the 4C based Dodge would work out, as the 4C production is already limited by production capacity for the tub. I guess they could build a larger production facility for carbon tubs, but that seems like a risky investment.

Good point. At this point with Dodge, small RWD sports car talk is cheap. There was another concept called the Razor that got a LOT of clamor in spite of being ugly as sin, and they didn't build that either. Although, in both cases (copperhead and razor) i think the MB takeover was a factor (im declining to say how much of one) in the fact that cars LIKE that did not get built. Thankfully Chrysler/Fiat own several brands whose brand identity lends itself to that type of vehicle.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 17:01

AdmiralViscen: Nov 2, 2011

There was the Demon concept in 2007, as well.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 17:03

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

DoLittle posted:

Copperhead looks good. I don't know how the 4C based Dodge would work out, as the 4C production is already limited by production capacity for the tub. I guess they could build a larger production facility for carbon tubs, but that seems like a risky investment.

It's more likely (not really) that the upcoming small Alfa-Miata that's going to be built by Mazda could get a Dodge variant.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 17:12

Mighty Horse: Jul 24, 2007; Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.

DoLittle posted:

Copperhead looks good. I don't know how the 4C based Dodge would work out, as the 4C production is already limited by production capacity for the tub. I guess they could build a larger production facility for carbon tubs, but that seems like a risky investment.

Or make it out of a cheaper material, if its a Dodge it would very likely be a cheaper alternative, so some compromises will be had.

Vigo327 posted:

I'm still mad they never built the Copperhead concept. Back when it came out it was the coolest looking thing i'd ever seen. A 4c-based dodge could be a modern day equivalent.

I am still pissed at Daimler over the ME-412.

Chrysler's engineers absolutely crushed the SLR Mclaren in six months of development using Mercedes' own parts, the only reason it wasn't put into production was German embarrassment.

Throatwarbler posted:

It's more likely (not really) that the upcoming small Alfa-Miata that's going to be built by Mazda could get a Dodge variant.

This is possible too. But again, it all could just be numbers on a spreadsheet somewhere and never come to fruition.

Mighty Horse fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 25, 2013

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Vigo327: Dec 24, 2012; IF I CONTINUE TO WHINE ABOUT THE PROBATIONS I RECEIVE, REPORT THIS POST SO THAT I CAN BE PROBATED AGAIN

AdmiralViscen posted:

There was the Demon concept in 2007, as well.

Yeah, that was the one i was trying to come up with but i could only remember the name of the Razor. Good catch.

Throatwarbler posted:

It's more likely (not really) that the upcoming small Alfa-Miata that's going to be built by Mazda could get a Dodge variant.

Agreed. And that will likely be a drat cool car in its own right even if it's not quite 4c-cool.

Mighty Horse posted:

I am still pissed at Daimler over the ME-412.

Chrysler's engineers absolutely crushed the SLR Mclaren in six months of development using Mercedes' own parts, the only reason it wasn't put into production was German embarrassment.

There is such a long list of ways that MB took all the wind out of Chryco, it's flat depressing. I'm one of the dodge fans that thinks the Fiat merger was a best case scenario. However, i have to wonder if dodge will still suffer the 'not allowed to sell anything more cool than parent company stuff' thing under Fiat. I think the Dart could have been cooler than the Giulietta, but it's not.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 17:37

Coredump: Dec 1, 2002

Vigo327 posted:

Keep in mind my post included the works "back when". Here is what pontiac was doing that year. Dig the chromed 3-spoke wheels yo!

I mean nothing against you. I hear it was a promising platform. And lots of automotive publications praised its looks when it was around. But I just don't see it. The Pontiac looks better, at least in the front, which is where I have my problems with the Copperhead.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 18:33

Franco Caution: Jul 18, 2003; Wicked. Tricksy. False.

Wasn't there also a concept that looked a lot like the front of the Crossfire which was suppose to be a Vette killer? That never came along as well.

(edit).....Nevermind found it
Chrysler Firepower Concept

Franco Caution fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Sep 25, 2013

# ? Sep 25, 2013 18:34

Gary Manifold: Mar 5, 2013; SOCIAL
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Vigo327 posted:

I drive a 1.0L car every day, so maybe i'm qualified to comment on how it doesn't suck.
I think the thing that gets overlooked when comparing turbo to non-turbo engines of similar power is that the turbo engines generally make more torque, and make more of it more often, than the n/a larger motor. So it will feel significantly more powerful during normal, low-rpm, part-throttle driving even if it is not MUCH faster at WOT. I think that has a LOT of value. My 1.0L car (honda insight) has an electric motor that gives a similar effect. In fact, the inverted powerbands of my gas and electric motors adds up to me having 90%+ of peak power (not torque.. power) from 3-6k rpm. So while the car is not fast, you dont have to drive the snot out of it either. You literally have ALL the power available at normal driving rpm. While the turbo 1.0 is not going to have AS flat of a powerband, it'll still make the N/A motor look like crap at 'normal driving rpms'. And then, of course, it's also much easier to ADD power when you get a little bored.

Just to go back a page, as someone who daily drives a 1 litre 100 horsepower ecoboost Fiesta, absolutely this. I moved up from a 1.4 litre naturally aspirated Fiesta about a month ago, and the new one only has an extra 4 horses but the torque has increased by a third. The promised fuel economy gains haven't really materialised because that car is hilarious to drive, and angry sounding with it.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 19:01

Sir Tonk: Apr 18, 2006; Young Orc

blk posted:

On the new Mazda 3:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/09/capsule-review-2014-mazda3/#more-523737

It's encouraging and somewhat endearing if this is true.

I really like the hatchback and I'm really glad Mazda dropped the huge smile look. Really killed the look of the mazdaspeed3 for me.

Franco Caution posted:

Wasn't there also a concept that looked a lot like the front of the Crossfire which was suppose to be a Vette killer? That never came along as well.

(edit).....Nevermind found it
Chrysler Firepower Concept

Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Sep 25, 2013

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Sir Tonk: Apr 18, 2006; Young Orc

quote /= edit

# ? Sep 25, 2013 19:13

Xguard86: Nov 22, 2004; "You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

No car should have shuriken wheels except the first gen dodge viper which must have shuriken wheels.

# ? Sep 25, 2013 20:47

Vigo327: Dec 24, 2012; IF I CONTINUE TO WHINE ABOUT THE PROBATIONS I RECEIVE, REPORT THIS POST SO THAT I CAN BE PROBATED AGAIN

I totally forgot about that firepower car but yeah, as i was saying, Chrysler & Co have a LONG history of talking about RWD sporty cars that never materialize, so talk from them on that subject is pretty cheap. I think the Miata thing has a good chance of being real. I'm a little dubious about any Dodge being based off the 4C.

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DropShadow: Apr 15, 2003

Let's not forget the Plymouth concepts:

1998 Plymouth Pronto:

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Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

Vigo327 posted:

I totally forgot about that firepower car but yeah, as i was saying, Chrysler & Co have a LONG history of talking about RWD sporty cars that never materialize, so talk from them on that subject is pretty cheap. I think the Miata thing has a good chance of being real. I'm a little dubious about any Dodge being based off the 4C.

Well right now it seems the problem is that NOTHING seems to be materializing. The Cherokee *still* isn't here, apparently they are having trouble with the 9 speed transmissions ( not releasing a car because the transmission isn't ready? What a country! :v:

). The diesel GC and Ram are held up too until next year because of some supplier fuckery with VM Motori. There's apparently no SRT4, no replacement for the Avenger, no new minivan, nothing on the horizon except for the new HD trucks.

Everything that has come out was already in the pipeline when FIAT came along, the only actual joint venture product so far has been the Dart and it hasn't exactly set the sales charts on fire.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 04:35

Previa_fun: Nov 10, 2004

the Dodge Copperhead (I mean Dodge CONCEPT CAR) and Plymouth Pronto sucked in Gran Turismo 2. :v:

# ? Sep 26, 2013 04:49

Sinestro: Oct 31, 2010; The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.

DropShadow posted:

Let's not forget the Plymouth concepts:

1998 Plymouth Pronto:

Quick, get that S2000 an epi pen!

# ? Sep 26, 2013 07:40

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

2015 Ford Superduty press release

quote:

2015 Ford F-Series Super Duty Features Improved Power Stroke Diesel, Stronger F-450, Revamped King Ranch Edition

� Engineering improvements boost the performance, capability and durability of the Ford-designed and Ford-built 6.7-liter Power Stroke� V8 turbo diesel engine

� Upgraded 2015 Ford F-450 pickup offers more towing capability than ever

� 2015 Ford F-Series Super Duty King Ranch restyled, combining authentic Texas heritage with modern luxury

DALLAS, Sept. 26, 2013 � Ford, America�s truck leader, introduces the 2015 F-Series Super Duty lineup today at State Fair of Texas, featuring a second-generation 6.7-liter Power Stroke� V8 turbo diesel engine; increased towing capabilities; and a refreshed, Texas-inspired King Ranch model.

�Truck leadership means never resting, and the Super Duty team has been tireless in finding ways to improve the industry�s most popular heavy-duty pickups,� said Joe Hinrichs, executive vice president and president of The Americas, Ford Motor Company. �Super Duty diesel customers will benefit from improved performance and features backed by outstanding Built Ford Tough durability.�

Since the 6.7-liter Power Stroke V8 turbo diesel debuted in 2011, Ford engineers have listened to customers and continued to examine each component of the engine to develop improved performance.

Ford is the only heavy-duty pickup truck manufacturer that designs and builds its own diesel engine and transmission combination, ensuring the powertrain will work seamlessly with all chassis components and vehicle calibrations � from concept to execution. This approach also enables Ford engineers to optimize the vehicle�s performance across the entire lineup.

A key Ford innovation on the original 6.7-liter Power Stroke V8 turbo diesel was its so-called reverse-flow layout. The advanced design places the exhaust inside the engine�s V-shape while the air intake is positioned on the outside of the V. This segment-exclusive design naturally improves a variety of attributes:

� Shorter airflow from the exhaust system to the turbocharger sitting between the engine�s cylinder banks improves turbo responsiveness � key to providing torque quickly to truck customers when they need it most
� Positioning the turbo inside the engine�s valley helps isolate the engine�s hottest temperatures, improving performance and efficiency, while also reducing noise, vibration and harshness

Ford engineers built upon the many benefits of this design as they upgraded the Power Stroke. One improvement is a larger GT37 turbocharger that replaces the previous GT32 model, enabling more airflow to the engine to produce more power beyond today�s 400 horsepower and 800 lb.-ft. of torque.

Key components of the new GT37 turbocharger
The GT37 features a single, larger 88-millimeter compressor wheel that replaces the GT32�s dual-sided compressor design. The compressor forces air into the engine�s cylinders to improve performance � especially at high altitude where the air is thinner than at sea level. The turbine size is increased to 72.5 millimeters from 64 millimeters, so exhaust gases have a larger surface area to spin the turbo, providing extra power. The wastegate and the wastegate controls are eliminated, because the turbo operates at lower peak pressures than the GT32.

�The original designers of the current Power Stroke V8 diesel forecasted needs for higher output. This facilitated the larger turbocharger, increasing airflow and creating more power,� said David Ives, Power Stroke technical specialist. �We�ve dramatically improved performance while reducing overall engine complexity by focusing on the turbo system.�

A further benefit of the larger turbo is improved engine exhaust braking, manually controlled by a push-button switch on the dashboard. Extra braking power helps reduce wear and tear on wheel brakes and requires less manual brake application from the driver, especially on downhill grades.

Fuel system improvements
Turbo changes drove improvements to the fuel delivery system, specifically a new high-pressure fuel pump and fuel injectors. The pump�s cam stroke is increased to deliver more fuel when desired for increased power. All-new injector tips better atomize the fuel, resulting in improved combustion that enables lower noise, vibration and harshness. Other benefits include cleaner emissions and a reduction in the buildup of fuel deposits on the valves over time.

In addition, a new exhaust temperature sensor enables more accurate fuel control, which improves both durability and driveability � especially when towing � and helps the customer drive the Power Stroke diesel to its maximum capability.

Even though the fuel system delivers extra fuel as needed to provide more power, other efficiency improvements ensure 2015 Ford F-Series Super Duty pickup customers see similar performance to today�s best-in-class fuel economy.

Further enhancements to Ford Power Stroke diesel include:
� Ford-designed and -engineered 6R140 TorqShift� six-speed transmission uses a new torque converter to manage increased horsepower and torque
� New polymer coating on main bearings for improved wear-and-tear durability and lower friction
� Improved crankshaft fillet design � the transition point between the crankshaft�s journals � to increase crankshaft power carrying capability
� Increased crankshaft damper weight to reduce rotating forces on the crankshaft when the engine is performing at peak power levels
� New five-layer head gasket to handle wider range of engine firing pressures resulting from more powerful engine performance
� Added material to the engine�s cylinder heads, exhaust manifold and valvetrain to handle increased power levels
� Redesigned turbo oil and cooling lines to improve sealing
� Piston assembly upgrades to increase load-bearing capability
� New four-layer exhaust manifold gasket for improved durability

2015 Ford F-450 upgrades
The 2015 Ford F-450 tops the F-Series Super Duty pickup truck lineup with maximum towing and hauling capability. Changes for 2015 include a strengthened frame, suspension, new commercial-grade 19.5-inch wheels and tires, and core work components shared with F-Series Super Duty chassis cab models.

Just as the next-generation Power Stroke engine reflects changes that improve power while maintaining durability, the Super Duty engineering team took specific actions to bolster key F-450 components to improve towing capability, including:

� Upgraded rear driveline U-joints
� Upgraded suspension components, including new rear leaf springs, front and rear stabilizer bars and shocks
� Increased fifth-wheel and gooseneck trailer capacity
� Stronger steering gears and steering linkages
� Larger brakes shared with Super Duty chassis cab models, including wheel brakes, parking brake and new antilock brake calibration
� F-450-specific Power Stroke diesel engine calibration

King Ranch expresses authentic, rugged luxury
The reinvigorated update to the 2015 Ford F-Series Super Duty King Ranch edition is inspired by the place where American ranching was born.

�King Ranch is an American original with a proud heritage of hard work that defines the American ranching lifestyle,� said Doug Scott, Ford Truck group marketing manager. �The 2015 Ford Super Duty King Ranch seamlessly combines elements of Texas-inspired luxury and Ford capability.�

As part of the Ford Truck commitment to continuous improvement, the F-Series design team traveled to King Ranch, founded in 1853, for fresh perspective and inspiration from the 825,000-acre working ranch, which is bigger than the state of Rhode Island.

�What really stood out is how prominent the �Running W� is, and how it defines and unifies the ranch,� said Barb Whalen, Ford color and material design manager. �Similarly, we wanted that brand to define the new Super Duty King Ranch.�

On the new Super Duty King Ranch, the Running W � the brand used on cattle raised at the ranch � provides a focal point for the interior. It is cut out and stitched to make the seat backs and center console appear to have been branded.

A lighter, richer shade of Mesa leather trims the seats, center console lid, armrests and steering wheel.

Exterior updates include the new, darker Caribou paint for the wheel lip moldings, bumpers and lower body. The bed rail caps, bumper caps and running boards are executed in black. The Running W brings focus to the wheel caps as well.

�Through premium materials and thoughtful execution, we strived to make the 2015 Ford Super Duty King Ranch have a look and a feel as authentic as the ranch itself,� said Scott.

So they are eliminating the dual compressor wheel turbo and replacing it with a larger conventional type? I thought this was a big selling point when the 6.7l first came out, are they no walking that statement back?

# ? Sep 26, 2013 08:28

Nidhg00670000: Mar 26, 2010; We're in the pipe, five by five.; Grimey Drawer

Isn't that how it always is?

2012: This is the new awesome, feature X is a revolution in engineering!

2013: Holy Moly, feature Y will change your world, it's so much better than X.

quote:

Positioning the turbo inside the engine�s valley helps isolate the engine�s hottest temperatures, improving performance and efficiency, while also reducing noise, vibration and harshness

"Isolating the engine's hottest temperatures" = have fun dealing with coking in a few years?

# ? Sep 26, 2013 10:56

Disgruntled Bovine: Jul 5, 2010

Since when do pickup trucks come with jake brakes?

# ? Sep 26, 2013 12:49

Mighty Horse: Jul 24, 2007; Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.

Dodge offered one a couple of years ago, and everyone started following.

Waiting for the first diesel factory pickup with stacks.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 14:10

Seat Safety Switch: May 27, 2008; MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.; Pillbug

Disgruntled Bovine posted:

Since when do pickup trucks come with jake brakes?

I was in a tow truck a few years ago and the (probably 18 or 19 year old) driver demonstrated with glee to me the "exhaust brake" he had installed on the truck.

I will admit it made a great sound when he let it rip coming downhill through my neighborhood.

I'm assuming from that you could get a proper Jake brake too, as I think exhaust brakes and Jake brakes are different (based on my rudimentary understanding of diesel hooliganism).

Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Sep 26, 2013

# ? Sep 26, 2013 15:34

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

It's nice that BMW has kept the number of exhausts:penis size thing consistent over the years. I've always told my sister that if the guy is driving a BMW, 1 or 2 exhausts on the same side = get lost, 1 exhaust on each side = probably a douche, 4 exhausts = :getin:

. Still aplies.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 15:45

Xguard86: Nov 22, 2004; "You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Mighty Horse posted:

Dodge offered one a couple of years ago, and everyone started following.

Waiting for the first diesel factory pickup with stacks.

they should build the rumble bee and do this.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 16:00

jfreder: Feb 27, 2008

Throatwarbler posted:

The diesel GC and Ram are held up too until next year because of some supplier fuckery with VM Motori.

You have any details about this? I'd be interested in hearing what the problem is.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 16:07

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

jfreder posted:

You have any details about this? I'd be interested in hearing what the problem is.

It's on allpar, I may have misremembered, the GC is still coming and only the Ram is delayed.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 16:15

Disgruntled Bovine: Jul 5, 2010

Mighty Horse posted:

Dodge offered one a couple of years ago, and everyone started following.

Waiting for the first diesel factory pickup with stacks.

It'll happen eventually. I just pray that when it does, truck nuts come as a dealer installed option.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 17:02

jeff8472: Dec 28, 2000; He died from watch-in-ass disease

The Equus Bass770

http://equus-automotive.com/

# ? Sep 26, 2013 17:37

Skipopatomus: Aug 30, 2007; Ozzy Osbourne simply duplicated the event.

jeff8472 posted:

The Equus Bass770

I was just about to post this only with my added comparison

# ? Sep 26, 2013 18:08

Phy: Jun 27, 2008; Fun Shoe

jeff8472 posted:

The Equus Bass770

http://equus-automotive.com/

That'd fit right in next to the Banshee from GTA that got built recently.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 18:16

Vigo327: Dec 24, 2012; IF I CONTINUE TO WHINE ABOUT THE PROBATIONS I RECEIVE, REPORT THIS POST SO THAT I CAN BE PROBATED AGAIN

Throatwarbler posted:

Well right now it seems the problem is that NOTHING seems to be materializing. The Cherokee *still* isn't here, apparently they are having trouble with the 9 speed transmissions ( not releasing a car because the transmission isn't ready? What a country! ). The diesel GC and Ram are held up too until next year because of some supplier fuckery with VM Motori. There's apparently no SRT4, no replacement for the Avenger, no new minivan, nothing on the horizon except for the new HD trucks.

Everything that has come out was already in the pipeline when FIAT came along, the only actual joint venture product so far has been the Dart and it hasn't exactly set the sales charts on fire.

I am greatly saddened by Chrysler's abandonment of the minivan. My turbo/5spd Caravan is still one of my favorite vehicles of all time and minivans in general are pretty much my favorite type of vehicle.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 18:28

Tekne: Feb 15, 2012; It's-a me, motherfucker

Throatwarbler posted:

It's on allpar, I may have misremembered, the GC is still coming and only the Ram is delayed.

On a positive note, Fiat is purchasing GM's share of VM, which will give them full control of the company. I can't help but think that this is a prelude to a deluge of diesel options throughout Chriat's American lineup. Some people think that might threaten Ram's relationship with Cummins, but those I6s are an entirely different animal compared to the VM engines. I also don't think the current leadership is dumb enough to get rid of their HD trucks' biggest selling point.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 18:41

Keyser_Soze: May 5, 2009; Pillbug

Throatwarbler posted:

It's nice that BMW has kept the number of exhausts:penis size thing consistent over the years. I've always told my sister that if the guy is driving a BMW, 1 or 2 exhausts on the same side = get lost, 1 exhaust on each side = probably a douche, 4 exhausts = . Still aplies.

At least the 4 exhaust tips aren't all in a row like on the C7.

It worked marginally better on the C6 since it had some space between the sets and looked more balanced and not like some jet boat or spaceship or this poor thing:

I still not digging the F30 headlights to grill connector thingie going on - but sign me the gently caress up for an M3 sedan that can go over 280 miles on a tank please.

Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Sep 26, 2013

# ? Sep 26, 2013 18:44

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Throatwarbler posted:

2015 Ford Superduty press release

So they are eliminating the dual compressor wheel turbo and replacing it with a larger conventional type? I thought this was a big selling point when the 6.7l first came out, are they no walking that statement back?

So ford is increasing the power from 400hp/800ft/lbs and strengthening and simplifying the engine to deal with more power.

Chevy's counterpoint?

Still "only" 397hp, 765ft/lbs......but she's got a new hat!

# ? Sep 26, 2013 19:03

Vigo327: Dec 24, 2012; IF I CONTINUE TO WHINE ABOUT THE PROBATIONS I RECEIVE, REPORT THIS POST SO THAT I CAN BE PROBATED AGAIN

Tekne posted:

On a positive note, Fiat is purchasing GM's share of VM, which will give them full control of the company. I can't help but think that this is a prelude to a deluge of diesel options throughout Chriat's American lineup.

That is downright exciting to me. I don't have any reason to think this would actually happen, but the availability of cost-effective and emissions-compliant small diesels would give compact pickups the ability to justify their own existence vs full sizes since they could actually get fuel economy sufficiently better to offset their lower truck-stuff capabilities.

# ? Sep 26, 2013 22:42

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# ? May 10, 2024 02:06

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

Powershift posted:

So ford is increasing the power from 400hp/800ft/lbs and strengthening and simplifying the engine to deal with more power.

Chevy's counterpoint?

Still "only" 397hp, 765ft/lbs......but she's got a new hat!

I'm not gonna lie, the new GM trucks all look pretty nice on the outside, especially the Sierra Denali.

Vigo327 posted:

I am greatly saddened by Chrysler's abandonment of the minivan. My turbo/5spd Caravan is still one of my favorite vehicles of all time and minivans in general are pretty much my favorite type of vehicle.

Well the current minivan isn't too bad, or do you mean you're looking for a real "mini" minivan?

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