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FilthyImp posted:That only happened because their former mayor was such an inordinate scumbag that his actions were inexcusable for San Diegans. And san diegans have had some corrupt motherfuckers. Mayor Sexpest's opponent in the election was an openly gay Republican - and he wasn't even the only gay Republican who ran for mayor that year.
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enraged_camel posted:I'm not sure if you fully grasp the logic here. Them being paid little is not what is making them feel like easily replaceable cogs. They are being paid little because they are easily replaceable cogs. Okay, I understand this logic, but tell me more about where you're trying to go here. What point are you trying to make here? Are you trying to say that the cooks and waiters are just pointless cogs? That any unionization effort will not be worthwhile because they're so replaceable that if someone tries to form one, they'd get fired immediately, making unions impossible? If that's the case, then the issue would be about policies to protect worker's rights. Anyways, I don't know what is the overall statement you're making here.
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Pigasus posted:Okay, I understand this logic, but tell me more about where you're trying to go here. What point are you trying to make here? Are you trying to say that the cooks and waiters are just pointless cogs? That any unionization effort will not be worthwhile because they're so replaceable that if someone tries to form one, they'd get fired immediately, making unions impossible?
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OneEightHundred posted:The original point was that fast food jobs were never meant to be career jobs, that they still won't be career jobs with a pay increase, and that effort would be better spent making other opportunities available. The point of minimum wage increases isn't to turn them into viable career jobs, it's to provide a living wage so people working those jobs have an easier time doing what they need to do to find better opportunities.
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nachos posted:The point of minimum wage increases isn't to turn them into viable career jobs, it's to provide a living wage so people working those jobs have an easier time doing what they need to do to find better opportunities. A higher wage won't solve this. Most retail/food service places like to treat their employees as if they're on call. Have school/a second job/another priority? Don't care! Work this shift or you're fired! 
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Forceholy posted:A higher wage won't solve this. Most retail/food service places like to treat their employees as if they're on call. Have school/a second job/another priority? Don't care! Work this shift or you're fired! A higher wage allows people to be able to begin to save and resist that. A higher wage means the cost of training increases and thus incentives companies to reduce turnover. Regardless of the fact that you're basically arguing that if we can't fix the whole system at once, we shouldn't try to make it not as awful for those in it.
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Weembles posted:Mayor Sexpest's opponent in the election was an openly gay Republican - and he wasn't even the only gay Republican who ran for mayor that year. I'm just astounded at the diversity of candidates (and the diversity of those candidates) in California. Here in Utah, we've got a grand total of three or four serious candidates for anything who aren't white men. And that's more than we've ever had before.
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Look, guys, if you aren't a special snowflake that stands out from the crowd and promotes synergy, you deserve to starve slowly. Do you think we can just have run-of-the-mill nobodies consuming adequate calories? They don't even engage in any creative destruction!
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Leperflesh posted:In other California news, there's this: Covered California is the new Obamacare health care plan marketplace for California citizens. I spent a little time looking through it today. Seems that if you qualify, you can get pretty decent individual health insurance from several different providers for very good prices. And if you're poor (like my unemployed brother), it's heavily subsidized. I think given his income (less than 150% of the poverty level) he can probably get a decent "silver" plan for under $60 a month after subsidy, which is fantastic. My job gives a terrible plan compared to the gold/bronze. Is there any way I can inform the IRS that i'm not going to be using my work insurance so they don't get the 2000/person credit card-thing-credit? Nobody uses it due to the insane restrictions on them.
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I have no idea, and I'm not even sure I know what credit card thing you're referring to. But, I suspect that once these plans shape up and establish themselves for a while, a lot of employers are going to get pressure from their employees - and pass that pressure on to their health care providers - to offer rates that are at least competitive with the zero-subsidy rates offered on the exchange. My hope is that rates overall are pushed down as a result.
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All Of The Dicks posted:Look, guys, if you aren't a special snowflake that stands out from the crowd and promotes synergy, you deserve to starve slowly. Do you think we can just have run-of-the-mill nobodies consuming adequate calories? They don't even engage in any creative destruction! Agh loving buzzwords and waterfalls of bullshit. Make it stop. Corporate rule, worst rule. Send me to the gulags but for gods sakes don't make me read one more book about our Matrix-like digital economy, or about how globalism is like Hitler, Mao, and Genghis Khan sitting around a plate of bananas flambé.
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agarjogger posted:Agh loving buzzwords and waterfalls of bullshit. Make it stop. Why don't you found a startup and get a few hundred million in VC to develop an App that does that if you care so much.
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Trabisnikof posted:Why don't you found a startup and get a few hundred million in VC to develop an App that does that if you care so much. Thank God Valleywag is back in business.
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Trabisnikof posted:A higher wage allows people to be able to begin to save and resist that. A higher wage means the cost of training increases and thus incentives companies to reduce turnover. On the other end of the balance there is the "Golden Handcuff" situation. Where you do get paid for your time but you are essentially a corporate slave for a company. In NYC, I saw a ton of friends that were in this situation and were working 5-6 weeks 10-12 hours at corporate jobs. They didn't want to leave because of the salary and were hoping for better positions within the company so they could work less. The entire work/life balance in the US from the bottom to the top is out of wack.
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Big story in the New York Times of all places today about San Jose's difficulties with their general fund and particularly the effort to cut the pensions of city employees. I'm of mixed opinion on this issue, and I think the article has a bit too much scare-talk from cops about how their lives are now ruined, but I found this part in the article particularly telling:quote:Cities in California are under particular pressure because it is so difficult to raise property taxes in the state, and because in 1999, at the height of the tech bubble, the Legislature voted for a huge benefit increase allowing, for instance, police officers to retire at age 50 with 90 percent of their salaries. Yet another drawback of Prop 8! Even so, state minds seem to think the solution is to go after local unions instead.
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You mean prop 13. I can tell you, as a county employee, the only thing keeping our best, most experienced employees for leaving for the private sector and a basically doubling (or more) of pay is that they get a pension in 10 years or so. That and legitimate vacations. It all fits into the plan though, they more that governments are gutted of proper staffing by underpayment, under funding, and now reductions of benefits makes the whole "government workers are terrible ergo, gently caress government" thing a reality. Also, since when did working for a government mean I'm supposed to take a vow of poverty? nm fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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enraged_camel posted:The only exception is nationally recognized fast-food chains. And guess why those are successful: because there are "business vampires" at the top of the enterprise marking the poo poo out of the business. People have heard about Chipotle because of ads on TV and the Internet, not because of their master chefs. I have never seen a Chipotle ad. I heard of them because I knew people who liked to eat there DESPITE LIVING IN CALIFORNIA AT THE TIME WHAT THE gently caress IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHY DOES CHIPOTLE EVEN EXIST IN CALIFORNIA?
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VideoTapir posted:I have never seen a Chipotle ad. I heard of them because I knew people who liked to eat there DESPITE LIVING IN CALIFORNIA AT THE TIME WHAT THE gently caress IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHY DOES CHIPOTLE EVEN EXIST IN CALIFORNIA? I went to a newly opened Chipotle last week in my area. Everyone was talking it up as awesome fast food. I was incredibly let down and had the worst stomach ache after eating it. I burrito drink and chips came to about 8$. I can go to the best taqueria in town, and get a giant burrito, fresh chips, and a Mexican Coke for less than that. It will taste better, be better for me, and support a local business instead of some giant franchise / corporation. Chipotle is loving stupid.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:I went to a newly opened Chipotle last week in my area. Everyone was talking it up as awesome fast food. I was incredibly let down and had the worst stomach ache after eating it. I burrito drink and chips came to about 8$. If I'm not mistaken, some locations used to give out free drinks to college students or something, and people have kept going out of habit despite being overpriced and mediocre. At least it isn't Senior Froggy or Taco Time.  I'm pretty sure both chains would be run out of town if they came down here.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:I can go to the best taqueria in town, and get a giant burrito, fresh chips, and a Mexican Coke for less than that. It will taste better, be better for me...
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Hog Obituary posted:If you think your local taqueria isn't using the cheapest stuff available to it, you're in for a surprise. I'm not seeing why it would be any better for you than Chipotle. Yeah, they use the absolute cheapest materials, and be wary of ordering a drink - unless you ask for top shelf, you're getting sangria instead of tequila.
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There are large swaths of northern california where the local "taqueria" is in fact worse than Chipotle.
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Hog Obituary posted:If you think your local taqueria isn't using the cheapest stuff available to it, you're in for a surprise. I'm not seeing why it would be any better for you than Chipotle. Yeah, there's a reason why food trucks in New York were bitching because they had to do things like "have actual hygiene standards".
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You guys have loving Freebirds and you're going to Chipotle what is wrong with you? Do you need another invasion of people from the plains states who will actually appreciate the tenets of civilization that you guys apparently take for granted?
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Hog Obituary posted:If you think your local taqueria isn't using the cheapest stuff available to it, you're in for a surprise. I'm not seeing why it would be any better for you than Chipotle. It's not like its health food, and I am in no way claiming it to be. I know they make their own tortillas and that the salsa is fresh every day. They also use locally sourced free range chicken. I would call that much better than chipolte.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:It's not like its health food, and I am in no way claiming it to be. I know they make their own tortillas and that the salsa is fresh every day. They also use locally sourced free range chicken. I would call that much better than chipolte. You realize Chipotle is in fact the worst fast food resturant to make this argument about. Is chipotle mexican? Hell no. But they're all over the natural food movement. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMfSGt6rHos) Just sayin.
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Trabisnikof posted:You realize Chipotle is in fact the worst fast food resturant to make this argument about. Is chipotle mexican? Hell no. But they're all over the natural food movement. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMfSGt6rHos) I don't know where Chipotle gets their food from, I just know it was horrible. Now excuse me while I go eat at my local Taqueira that is amazing.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:It's not like its health food, and I am in no way claiming it to be. I know they make their own tortillas and that the salsa is fresh every day. They also use locally sourced free range chicken. I would call that much better than chipolte. They cook everything in lard. That is why it tastes better.
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That place only locals know about tastes better than chain restaurant, what a shocker! Next you'll be telling me that the surfing is better in San Diego than in Reno.
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Well excuse me for chiming in on something being discussed in the thread. Maybe you should just eat some good Mexican food and relax?
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Sword of Chomsky posted:Well excuse me for chiming in on something being discussed in the thread. I'm more secretly frustrated you won't share your mexican food knowledge. Also, someone mentioned Freebirds, which is the only place I know in Cali that has "real" queso.
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VideoTapir posted:I have never seen a Chipotle ad. I heard of them because I knew people who liked to eat there DESPITE LIVING IN CALIFORNIA AT THE TIME WHAT THE gently caress IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHY DOES CHIPOTLE EVEN EXIST IN CALIFORNIA? Chipotle Ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtnas5ScSE They're decent. Are there better places to get food, yes. Are they the best, no. But they're not bad. It's taken on a life of its own and they do their own thing. I usually will grab a burrito once a week, and it's decent and filling. If I wanted a stellar burrito, I'd go to one of the many, many Mexican restaurants around, but I probably can't order one of those online, and have it ready in 5 minutes. Edit: Why are people whining about having a Chipotle? It is hardly the most pressing issue to bring up in this thread. Illuminado fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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Did you know there are local hamburger restaurants in California! Why would anyone eat at Burger King?! Did you guys know that there are lots of Taco Bells here too? Scandalous!
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Leperflesh posted:Did you know there are local hamburger restaurants in California! Why would anyone eat at Burger King?! Only Taco Bell I can point to on a map is across the street from Tom's on Rampart. The fact it hasn't closed down due to lack of customers leads me to believe it's a money laundering front.
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VideoTapir posted:I have never seen a Chipotle ad. I heard of them because I knew people who liked to eat there DESPITE LIVING IN CALIFORNIA AT THE TIME WHAT THE gently caress IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHY DOES CHIPOTLE EVEN EXIST IN CALIFORNIA? That's a good question. There are even a couple of Chipoltles in San Francisco, even though there is an awesome real taqueria within a few blocks of you pretty much anywhere in the city. I suspect that the tourists go to them because they are frightened to try anything they don't already recognize.
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Guys, they exist for the same reason that Starbucks exists (and existed right alongside good local cafe's, and drove thousands of them out of business) despite having arguably worse coffee and definitely higher prices; because people crave conformity, predictability, a certain clean upscale-feeling environment, and the food is acceptably good. Even I occasionally go to Chipoltle, when I want what they serve (I like the barbacoa). Even though I can also get an excellent burrito or whatever at any of a dozen other taquerias in my neighborhood. It's not really that difficult a concept to grasp. They're clean, they serve you quickly, you get exactly the thing you are expecting, it tastes exactly the same as it did the last time you got it, and paying two bucks more is trivial to most of their customers.
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^^^^^^^^^^ I basically agree with this, and I'm kind of a taco snob normally. Sometimes you just want something "normal" and quick. Trabisnikof posted:There are large swaths of northern california where the local "taqueria" is in fact worse than Chipotle. I challenge this. Certainly nowhere large enough to have a Chipotle.
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nm posted:I challenge this. Certainly nowhere large enough to have a Chipotle. Where I live it's certainly the case. I've been to 3-4 of the local taquerias and god drat I wish we had Chipotle. When you gently caress up a quesadilla (tasted like salt and oil) or nachos (salt... Only salt), there's something wrong. We have McDonalds, Carls Jr., Taco Bell... we have the potential population and traffic flow through to support a good fast food place, and there are certainly people here that would go to Chipotle due to the "ingredient sourcing" aspect of Chipotle. And I was really hoping to enjoy the place with the dude yelling/singing along with the mariachi music while he was cooking 
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