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I want MORE freedom. I want a game that can react to a facist canada.
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Sep 26, 2013 01:58
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EightDeer posted:You could try this mod to make it a bit less boring. A GIANT PARSNIP posted:You just can't do that in CKII.
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Sep 26, 2013 02:19
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Baloogan posted:I want MORE freedom. I want a game that can react to a facist canada. Yeah I'd like an experiment in a HoI less war heavy, as contradictory as that sounds, more flexible like EU or something, to do weird alt history in modern times.
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Sep 26, 2013 02:33
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I still play vanilla HoI3, I don't see why people don't like it that much. It's not difficult to control everything and still have fun developing ridiculous super-troops to steam role Europe with (super heavy armour owns) France always seems to lose though, not once have they held the Maginot line in any game I've played.
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Sep 26, 2013 02:38
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RagnarokAngel posted:Yeah I'd like an experiment in a HoI less war heavy, as contradictory as that sounds, more flexible like EU or something, to do weird alt history in modern times. 
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Sep 26, 2013 02:40
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One thing I've always wondered about Victoria 2: are there nations that you guys consider to be better suited to fascism or communism? It always kinda felt like the two played really similarly so I've always wondered if there's something I'm missing, like is a fascist Canada a horrible idea but a communist one a good idea, is communist Italy a joke but fascist Italy really good, etc? I get the pluses and minuses of a monarchy vs a democratic republic, and why I'd want liberals vs conservative vs reactionaries, but other than the assimilation bonus for full citizenship in most communisms, is there any significant difference between them?
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Sep 26, 2013 03:22
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ColtMcAsskick posted:I still play vanilla HoI3, I don't see why people don't like it that much. It's not difficult to control everything and still have fun developing ridiculous super-troops to steam role Europe with (super heavy armour owns) France is hard as poo poo in hoi3, they get gently caress all for manpower and have a -30% manpower growth modifier. The only time I've done well with them involved abusing the gently caress out of the custom game thing where I sold off everything from naval bases to AA guns to get the IC for a bunch of forts.
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Sep 26, 2013 03:30
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DrProsek posted:One thing I've always wondered about Victoria 2: are there nations that you guys consider to be better suited to fascism or communism? It always kinda felt like the two played really similarly so I've always wondered if there's something I'm missing, like is a fascist Canada a horrible idea but a communist one a good idea, is communist Italy a joke but fascist Italy really good, etc? I get the pluses and minuses of a monarchy vs a democratic republic, and why I'd want liberals vs conservative vs reactionaries, but other than the assimilation bonus for full citizenship in most communisms, is there any significant difference between them? (Democratically elected) Communists can feel kind of good. Any type of fascists make you feel bad. You don't want to feel like Hitler, do you? But yeah I'd say the Full Citizenship is probably totally worth it! Fascists are pretty much always Jingoistic though, so if that tickles your fancy you can do that. In general though, it sort of varies by specific party beliefs, and variation between whether a country is "suited" to one or the other is probably more about how easy it is to get them. Communism is really easy to get if you can just get a bunch of unemployed craftsmen, and there are a few other tricks. In my first America game after HoD was released I managed to create a glorious socialist paradise where year after year the people would democratically elect a coalition of socialist and communist parties to rule their country (and the upper house, letting me pass every reform by 1900  ), and that was basically entirely due to a combination of unemployed craftsmen and fudging party loyalty with NFs.
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Sep 26, 2013 04:11
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Patter Song posted:Yeah. I'm working on a V2: Jan Mayen LP and that image is from my testrun. Playing the real run now. Two LPs featuring Jan Mayen, one of which features it as the protagonist? You spoil me. 
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Sep 26, 2013 06:24
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Baloogan posted:I want MORE freedom. I want a game that can react to a facist canada. It doesn't add everything, but the Historical Plausibility Project mod is a vast improvement over default HOI3.
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Sep 26, 2013 06:42
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Seriously though, with all the expansions and mods out is there no way that hoi3 can equal something like Darkest Hour? Is it that fundamentally flawed?
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Sep 26, 2013 10:13
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DrProsek posted:One thing I've always wondered about Victoria 2: are there nations that you guys consider to be better suited to fascism or communism? It always kinda felt like the two played really similarly so I've always wondered if there's something I'm missing, like is a fascist Canada a horrible idea but a communist one a good idea, is communist Italy a joke but fascist Italy really good, etc? I get the pluses and minuses of a monarchy vs a democratic republic, and why I'd want liberals vs conservative vs reactionaries, but other than the assimilation bonus for full citizenship in most communisms, is there any significant difference between them? I confess I have never had a fascist party in power, but one of the advantages I found in my game as Haiti where I got the Communists democratically elected after passing every political reform earlier in the game is that I could keep my democratic reforms in place but roll the upper house back to Ruling Party Only, allowing me to pass every single Social reform in just a few years. Making me a New World Democracy with full social and one short of full political reforms, boosting immigration. Also, it gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing I was the nicest country on Earth.
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Sep 26, 2013 10:25
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maev posted:Seriously though, with all the expansions and mods out is there no way that hoi3 can equal something like Darkest Hour? Is it that fundamentally flawed? Someone would have to make a mod porting either the EU3/4 or Victoria maps into HOI3 to make it as playable as HOI2/DH. No amount of tweaking mechanics, stats, etc. is going to change the fact that launching Barbarossa drowns the player in micro-management through sheer number of provinces, or kicks out the legs from any possibility of blitzkrieg warfare by forcing the player to use AI controlled armies.
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Sep 26, 2013 10:38
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maev posted:Seriously though, with all the expansions and mods out is there no way that hoi3 can equal something like Darkest Hour? Is it that fundamentally flawed? Well, in a way Darkest Hour is also the culmination of many patches, expansions, and mods for HoI2. Opinion is going to vary based on tastes but if your view is that HoI3 was a wrong direction for the franchise to take then none of the expansions/mods are really going to resolve that.
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Sep 26, 2013 10:52
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BBJoey posted:Two LPs featuring Jan Mayen, one of which features it as the protagonist? You spoil me. I have two updates screenshoted and ready to go, need to write them up and an OP.
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Sep 27, 2013 21:58
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Defeatist Elitist posted:(Democratically elected) Communists can feel kind of good. Any type of fascists make you feel bad. You don't want to feel like Hitler, do you?  . I did have one game as Ethiopia where I was roleplaying "The Scariest Nation on Earth", and so I went directly from Reactionary Absolute Monarchy to Fascism via popular revolution, but in most other games without special gimmicks I suppose at least if I'm playing communists, as long as I'm not Stalin about it, it feels a lot less uncomfortable.quote:But yeah I'd say the Full Citizenship is probably totally worth it! Fascists are pretty much always Jingoistic though, so if that tickles your fancy you can do that. In general though, it sort of varies by specific party beliefs, and variation between whether a country is "suited" to one or the other is probably more about how easy it is to get them. Communism is really easy to get if you can just get a bunch of unemployed craftsmen, and there are a few other tricks. In my first America game after HoD was released I managed to create a glorious socialist paradise where year after year the people would democratically elect a coalition of socialist and communist parties to rule their country (and the upper house, letting me pass every reform by 1900 Ah, I totally forgot about how different pops have built in political parties they naturally lean towards. Yeah, getting communism elected via craftsmen is way easier than fascists (I think soldiers are the only pop with a significant fascism bias?) and in the new world will help make your population boom. I guess fascism is better if you just want to go pure imperialism mode and want a government that helps you roleplay your "conquer everything" mindset.
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Sep 27, 2013 22:04
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quote:I guess fascism is better if you just want to go pure imperialism mode and want a government that helps you roleplay your "conquer everything" mindset. So 99% of people who play games like this then
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Sep 28, 2013 01:20
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Reveilled posted:I confess I have never had a fascist party in power, but one of the advantages I found in my game as Haiti where I got the Communists democratically elected after passing every political reform earlier in the game is that I could keep my democratic reforms in place but roll the upper house back to Ruling Party Only, allowing me to pass every single Social reform in just a few years. Making me a New World Democracy with full social and one short of full political reforms, boosting immigration. The only downside to doing this is that you miss out on awesome communist flags. I've turned multiple free, democratic communist workers' utopias into Proletarian Dictatorships solely for the flags.
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Sep 28, 2013 03:57
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Mister Bates posted:The only downside to doing this is that you miss out on awesome communist flags. I've turned multiple free, democratic communist workers' utopias into Proletarian Dictatorships solely for the flags. A flag change event would be really awesome. I feel bad for admitting that some of those Fascist flags are pretty rad and I don't wanna 1) Have a fascist revolution and 2) wait till the 1900's for em.
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Sep 28, 2013 04:00
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So, does anyone have tips for playing as Panjab and driving the British out of India? I've managed to do amazing things as Panjab, just about everything except for confronting the Brits militarily, which is what it would take to form India. Every time I try, they just zerg rush me with something obscene like six or seven armies of 30-40k each.
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Sep 28, 2013 15:15
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DrSunshine posted:So, does anyone have tips for playing as Panjab and driving the British out of India? I've managed to do amazing things as Panjab, just about everything except for confronting the Brits militarily, which is what it would take to form India. Every time I try, they just zerg rush me with something obscene like six or seven armies of 30-40k each.
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Sep 28, 2013 18:02
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DrSunshine posted:So, does anyone have tips for playing as Panjab and driving the British out of India? I've managed to do amazing things as Panjab, just about everything except for confronting the Brits militarily, which is what it would take to form India. Every time I try, they just zerg rush me with something obscene like six or seven armies of 30-40k each.
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Sep 28, 2013 18:50
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:Bide your time, conquer other neighbors (Afghanistan), and strike when they're preoccupied elsewhere. Use cavalry scouts and keep on the lookout for their armies. The second you see them, book it to the Kashmir and the Himalayas and hold there. Yeah, I've conquered Afghanistan, Kalat, Sindh and Makran, so I'm a nice, vaguely Hungary-shaped pink blob in South-Central Asia now. The part where I'm getting ganked on is fighting a protracted war of independence from Britain's sphere when they can afford to continue sending 30-40k stacks at me even when I've already defeated the bulk of their forces. It sort of devolves into a situation where I've got barely 30k men to continue to defend against continuing British incursions while trying to prosecute a war to hold the United Provinces. Then Bukkhara+Persia see my relative military weakness and gang up on me!
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Sep 28, 2013 19:16
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:At any rate, I have had much less of a problem getting my friends interested in CK2 - hell, one friend tells me his seven-year old son loves the game too and will sit with his Dad and watch him play and ask questions about the various nobles all day. "Daddy, don't execute that prisoner, he's Humble and Kind, you should let him go so he can teach his King not to be so mean." My wife does exactly this. Oh gee, my son and heir died before he could impregnate his new wife who happens to be the Queen of Bavaria? Better marry her myself and finish the job! "Babe, that's REALLY disgusting." I'm having an absolute blast in EUIV as the (Greater)Dutch Republic, formed after starting as Burgundy in 1444(which gave me the benefit of including essentially all my territory except for lower Burgundy and two token French provinces). I don't mind the absence of the individual character traits of CKII, as it feels like I can give similar life to my state. I suppose the Netherlands is a little special in that regard, though. One thing I do wish was different is the reformation. It really has a hard time getting off the ground and staying around if it even manages that. I find I have to convert as soon as possible to encourage others to do so, and then have to form alliances with them immediately so that I can kill their rebels for them and stave off invasions to convert them. Austria and Poland are the biggest pains in the rear end in this regard. I'd never heard of HOI before I read this thread and checked it out. It looks like an absolute wet dream. I assume it's safe to expect great things from East vs. West?
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Sep 28, 2013 19:58
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Danny Dravot posted:It looks like an absolute wet dream. I assume it's safe to expect great things from East vs. West? Yeah, sure. 
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Sep 28, 2013 19:59
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah, sure. Gee that's super, any chance you want to elaborate?
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Sep 28, 2013 20:21
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Danny Dravot posted:Gee that's super, any chance you want to elaborate?
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Sep 28, 2013 20:23
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Danny Dravot posted:Gee that's super, any chance you want to elaborate? Its a HOI style game set in the Cold War. That should tell you everything you need to know.
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Sep 28, 2013 20:25
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Danny Dravot posted:Gee that's super, any chance you want to elaborate?
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Sep 28, 2013 20:25
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Danny Dravot posted:Gee that's super, any chance you want to elaborate? It'll be great if you want to play as an East German Prussian Monarchy during the Cold War which will invariably turn into a hot war. PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Sep 28, 2013 |
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Sep 28, 2013 20:25
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:It's a total poo poo show. East vs West is nothing more than a fantasy World War 3 scenario for Hearts of Iron and doesn't come within a stone's throw of a proper representation of the Cold War or late 20th century. It's made by the guys who made AoD, so it's not a PDS game. The design is little more than "let's throw some disparate features from Vicky 2 into Hearts of Iron, don't integrate them into anything else, and call it a day." Serves me right for assuming they were developing it themselves(or for assuming that a game that spans a half-century might have a grander vision than a game that spans a single decade). I read a couple pages back that HOI II or III is supposed to be the highest selling PDS title of all time, I have no idea why they'd rent out the IP like that.
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Sep 28, 2013 20:32
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I applied to that EvW "job" opening a while back that someone linked in here. I thought maybe I could improve it a little bit and actually add some Cold War into their Cold War game. They said they liked my events and they'd bring me on as an event writer but they wouldn't be able to pay me. Of course, I'd love to do volunteer work on your lovely game that you're going to make money off of from the people you had add themselves into the game.
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Sep 28, 2013 20:50
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Danny Dravot posted:Serves me right for assuming they were developing it themselves(or for assuming that a game that spans a half-century might have a grander vision than a game that spans a single decade). I read a couple pages back that HOI II or III is supposed to be the highest selling PDS title of all time, I have no idea why they'd rent out the IP like that. Well, it's not using the HoI IP, calling it an HoI Cold War scenario is hyperbole to denigrate it since it's probably going to be just a lame war game instead of a cool politics simulator. It does use the same engine though.
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Sep 28, 2013 21:39
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Just recently noticed that in Darkest Hour, the earliest available HQ unit for the United Kingdom has this model image: It looked familiar, and after a brief Google image search, welp  e: Michael Caine, from Zulu. Ofaloaf fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Sep 28, 2013 |
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Sep 28, 2013 21:43
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Trujillo posted:I applied to that EvW "job" opening a while back that someone linked in here. I thought maybe I could improve it a little bit and actually add some Cold War into their Cold War game. They said they liked my events and they'd bring me on as an event writer but they wouldn't be able to pay me. Of course, I'd love to do volunteer work on your lovely game that you're going to make money off of from the people you had add themselves into the game. A guy on the Pdox forums called Novapaddy appears to have taken it or a similar job. His most recent accomplishments have been taking the Modern Day Scenario and turning it into a very badly justified WWIII scenario, and then dropping it back in August because he thought a real WWIII was imminent. Seriously, that was the reason he gave.
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Sep 28, 2013 21:46
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Pornographic Memory posted:Well, it's not using the HoI IP, calling it an HoI Cold War scenario is hyperbole to denigrate it since it's probably going to be just a lame war game instead of a cool politics simulator. It does use the same engine though. East vs. West A Hearts of Iron Game As advertised by PDS. So if I were to get into HOI, would Darkest Hour be the most recent/highly recommended entry to pick up? Danny Dravot fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Sep 28, 2013 |
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Sep 28, 2013 21:47
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Danny Dravot posted:So if I were to get into HOI, would Darkest Hour be the most recent/highly recommended entry to pick up? Yes.
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Sep 28, 2013 21:49
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Danny Dravot posted:East vs. West Oh poo poo, my bad.
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Sep 28, 2013 21:51
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Pornographic Memory posted:Oh poo poo, my bad.
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Sep 28, 2013 22:09
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Danny Dravot posted:Welp, never mind, Darkest Hour has the same tagline treatment. I guess it really is HOI IV. How'd you get to your second sentence from your first? Darkest hour wasn't HoI3, it was its own thing. Likewise, EvW is not HoI4, it is its own thing. A Buttery Pastry posted:Paradox apparently needs to add some porn to their marketing. There's some foot worship in the EUIV mini-series, does that count?
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