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Shaggar posted:tbh I wouldn't call javascript a p-lang unless you're doing something stupid like node.js or super heavy client side stuff. some javascript to validate a form is fine. obviously pre-compiled bytecode from a better language would be optimal, but as long as you aren't trying to write applications in it then whatever. yeah javascript kinda gets a pass because when you're in the browser you really do need to use it. that need makes its awfulness just barely acceptable
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its like the rest of html/css/js or smtp. it was barely ok when it was first designed and now theres no hope of fixing it.
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Sep 26, 2013 03:20
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just wait until web "developers" amazingly invent compiling a language to a middle layer bytecode that the browser can run in a vm w/ a jit optimzier along side a separate markup document. then they'll be ecstatic that then can then write a "high speed" compiled javascript interpreter for their favorite new p-lang
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Sep 26, 2013 03:23
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i used a js thing today to modify a page to use retina assets if it was possible based on the screen. i didn't really have to think about the code and it just worked really so that's the most useful js thing i've used that wasn't jquery. it's utter garbage otherwise though
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Sep 26, 2013 03:26
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i'm sure it'll break eventually for someone though
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Sep 26, 2013 03:28
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the only time you can get away with not thinking about the code is when you're doing barely anything besides calling an api function that already implemented all the real work for you. this applies across all languages
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Sep 26, 2013 03:30
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yeah i mean i thought about it a lil but it mostly seemed to do what it was supposed to. if it fails there's still a default asset anyway so whatev.
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Sep 26, 2013 03:33
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i guess i shouldn't be surprised that lovely languages dominate in a world of minimum viable products
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Sep 26, 2013 03:37
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I would really like ruby with strict types that would be great. basically give me ruby syntax with memory management and strict types and make it so it can compile to a binary and I'll be in love
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Sep 26, 2013 03:47
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for some reason i can't resolve cs.umd.edu, something must be down, so i can't link the papers. but once it's up, have a look at the work by jeff foster and his group on type inference for ruby
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Sep 26, 2013 03:53
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JewKiller 3000 posted:no it isn't because dynamic languages remove perfectly good type checks for no acceptable reason. i shouldn't have to write those tests (of course i should write tests, just not for things that the compiler can easily check for me, if i would only give up my bad habits of writing in p-langs) god drat jewkiller, are you stealing this poo poo from my non existent blog? you are my kindred spirit.
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Sep 26, 2013 04:13
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<3 u
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Sep 26, 2013 04:15
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:I would really like ruby with strict types that would be great. rust, kinda.
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Sep 26, 2013 04:23
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JewKiller 3000 posted:for some reason i can't resolve cs.umd.edu, something must be down, so i can't link the papers. but once it's up, have a look at the work by jeff foster and his group on type inference for ruby thanks, i think i found it, reading through it now http://www.cs.umd.edu/~jfoster/papers/oops13.pdf
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Sep 26, 2013 06:09
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yeah it's back up now. they have some other papers at http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/PL/druby/
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Sep 26, 2013 07:54
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um so i'm currently doing a computer security subject and part of one of my assignments is making a metamorphic c++ program. i'm kinda unsure how to code one, and there's not many examples that i can find cause y'know, viruses. would i just start with a quine, and then add a bit of like, randomisation to the code written to the new file? there's a long example in c on stackoverflow but that uses opcodes and jesus 
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Sep 26, 2013 08:11
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Actual metamorphic viruses are working with machine code not source. I have a hard time seeing the connection between self-modifying source and security.
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Sep 26, 2013 10:03
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Pollyanna posted:
shaggar did this to you
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Sep 26, 2013 10:39
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gucci void main posted:being python-inspired is half the reason golang is unenjoyable to use because python syntax is loving ugly there are several things i would say about python but ugly is not one of them now c-style is ugly.
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Sep 26, 2013 11:04
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also doing an objc tut now at least i dont have to download anything else to use it (thanks xcode)
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Sep 26, 2013 11:05
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gucci void main posted:if you're writing poor dynamic language code, that's on you for either writing poor tests and/or poor implementation outright. dynamic language yes, that's literally the only type of language i've learned so far i started with MATLAB. also in what world is javascript considered better than ruby or python JewKiller 3000 posted:if you are actually constrained by a modern type system to the extent that you really cannot write the code you need to write, there will almost certainly be a magic cast you can use for such rare esoteric situations im trying to learn at least the basics of several languages since i am still in my ~formative stage~ JewKiller 3000 posted:the only time you can get away with not thinking about the code is when you're doing barely anything besides calling an api function that already implemented all the real work for you. this applies across all languages whats wrong with using an api  BONGHITZ posted:shaggar did this to you java did this to me and shaggar. who's shaggar Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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Sep 26, 2013 11:07
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:lastly, learning how to tune mysql's wretchedness just means spending more time with people who were too loving stupid to avoid mysql late but I want to chime in that learning entity framework freed me from having to write sql, but only because i already knew sql enough to avoid the traps. repository and unit of work with code first set me free!
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Pollyanna posted:also in what world is javascript considered better than ruby or python i havent used python much and ive never used javascript but i thought python's closures and scoping were broken, and js got them right quote:im trying to learn at least the basics of several languages since i am still in my ~formative stage~ learn different paradigms, not necessarily different languages. learning how to do the same thing the same way with different syntax is a waste of time. procedural and oo are everywhere but seek out functional and logic programming too
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Sep 26, 2013 11:29
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VanillaKid posted:seek out functional and logic programming too please this, once i learned how to apply functional programming concepts my code stopped being this nasty brittle babby code and turned into something that is actually somewhat reliable and something I could easily read and think through which is the most important thing
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Sep 26, 2013 11:37
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JewKiller 3000 posted:if you are actually constrained by a modern type system to the extent that you really cannot write the code you need to write, there will almost certainly be a magic cast you can use for such rare esoteric situations correct. you should say gently caress type systems, I'm coding in php from now on types are a fake concept and in 50 years coders will lol at the very idea
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Sep 26, 2013 11:39
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Pollyanna posted:who's shaggar who is anybody really
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Sep 26, 2013 11:39
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VanillaKid posted:learn different paradigms, not necessarily different languages. learning how to do the same thing the same way with different syntax is a waste of time. procedural and oo are everywhere but seek out functional and logic programming too Johnny Cache Hit posted:please this, once i learned how to apply functional programming concepts my code stopped being this nasty brittle babby code and turned into something that is actually somewhat reliable and something I could easily read and think through which is the most important thing what's the difference between functional programming and whatever you end up doing in python? eg this thing https://github.com/retrocombine/stockta/blob/master/ta.py i assume MATLAB is functional programming? i.e. mathematical functions and plotting graphs and poo poo reading up on it, it seems i've mostly been doing functional programming. which makes sense. i haven't done as much oop quote:In practice, the difference between a mathematical function and the notion of a "function" used in imperative programming is that imperative functions can have side effects, changing the value of program state. Because of this they lack referential transparency, i.e. the same language expression can result in different values at different times depending on the state of the executing program. Conversely, in functional code, the output value of a function depends only on the arguments that are input to the function, so calling a function f twice with the same value for an argument x will produce the same result f(x) both times. what if f(x) is defined as x^2 - x + 1 then no matter what you put in for x you should get the same answer why the hell would you get a different one??? Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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Sep 26, 2013 11:46
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javascript is so quirky (the type system that sometimes makes you get 1 + 1 = 11) and full of straight stupid poo poo (prototype inheritance? not really... we got it wrong but we fixed it in 2011!) I'm sure there are some really smart programmers using javascript but heck if it's a favorable environment for good code. also lol at this: Wikipedia posted:JavaScript is officially managed by Mozilla Foundation, and new language features are added periodically. However, only some JavaScript engines support these new features: at least steal lua co-routines coooome oooon
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Sep 26, 2013 11:58
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Functional programming means that everything is a function. No dumb gay classes. A program is a series of steps you execute. It is also why JavaScript is one of the best and most versatile languages out there.
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Sep 26, 2013 12:00
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JavaScript is an honorary j language with Java and c#. It's like the anti ruby.
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Sep 26, 2013 12:03
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javascript reminds me of being 10 years old
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Sep 26, 2013 12:06
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JavaScript allows the developer to do anything. Sever side, client side. It's all good. Like lisp and scala it's lack of structure helps weed out bad/inexperienced programmers.
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Sep 26, 2013 12:09
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Tiny Bug Child posted:a fake concept its u
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Sep 26, 2013 12:10
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Even if you don't like it either you can make web services, web apps, or you can be pushing terrible enterprise thick clients. The other option is mobile dev but you can at least use js long enough to ship a v1 there.
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Sep 26, 2013 12:12
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git clone trooper posted:JavaScript allows the developer to do anything. Sever side, client side. It's all good. Like lisp and scala it's lack of structure helps weed out bad/inexperienced programmers. 
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Sep 26, 2013 12:14
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welcome to javascript this is javascript welcome this is javascript welcome to javascript you can do anything with javascript anything at all the only limit is yourself welcome to javascript welcome to javascript! this is javascript! WELCOME TO JAVASCRIPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS JAVASCRIPT WELCOME!!!!!!!! yes. this is javascript.
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Sep 26, 2013 12:14
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pure functional programming is stuff like ml, haskell, erlang, lisp... it's not just about "using functions", there's a great deal on never mutating objects and recursion... which are 2 things that python is not really made for. the functional programming in python that people talk about is mostly comprehensions and... the general style of structuring data I guess? this is kind of a bad thing about python, it's a freaky frankenstein of programming paradigms, if you really want to know what those ideas are all about you gotta look outside python to understand.
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Sep 26, 2013 12:15
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functional programming is about maintaining referential transparency, where if an expression = x then anywhere you see that expression you can replace it with x without changing the meaning of the program (if x = 5, then you can't reassign x to 6 later, and if f(x) = 5, then f(x) always equals 5). you also use functions as first class values, where you can pass them to or return them from functions like any other value. scheme, sml, and haskell are the big functional languages if you want to be pedantic/antiquated, a procedure is a block of code that does something, and a function is a block of code that returns a value. procedural programming is all about side effects (procedures are not just value goes in, value comes out). fp uses 'function' in the same sense math does
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Sep 26, 2013 12:17
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javascript yourself and face to bloodshed
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VanillaKid posted:functional programming is about maintaining referential transparency, where if an expression = x then anywhere you see that expression you can replace it with x without changing the meaning of the program (if x = 5, then you can't reassign x to 6 later, and if f(x) = 5, then f(x) always equals 5). you also use functions as first class values, where you can pass them to or return them from functions like any other value. scheme, sml, and haskell are the big functional languages so it's the difference between Python code:code:
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