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Bob Morales posted:It's so weird looking back at a Snow Leopard machine with the scrollbars all the time. Found an iBook with Tiger a couple of days back. That brushed metal. Amazing.
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QuarkJets posted:I'm unable to download or install new things on this laptop, so I can't use iTerm 2. I just have to make do with the lovely native terminal and all of its bizarre defaults I'm guessing no USB drives is implied as well? Your hands are so tied. If that isn't an actual blocker, your options greatly expand. If it's any help, you don't really need to install anything or put them into /Applications. You can leave iTerm 2 on the Desktop if need be. Application bundles in OS X are portable. You'll might also need to download outside for other tools such as the Command Line Package from apple (so you can get GCC/Clang) though I'm not sure about that too. LLVM-GCC is what it comes with and that isn't fully compatible. I'm also semi sure that there are straight GNU GCC packages out there as well. All these packages will require Administrator privileges to install. Maybe you can extract the packages and relink them by hand in your home directory? I'm not even going to suggest Homebrew because there's no network but you can probably take a look at the recipes for each package for guidance if you need to build something on OS X to run. Developing stuff on a Mac without network or administrator privileges is trying to walk without legs. I am sorry to hear about that.
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door Door door posted:Two finger scroll (put two fingers on the trackpad and move them up or down). The scrollbars also appear if you put two fingers on the trackpad without moving them, which can be handy for checking progress through a document without actually moving it.
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I updated to Mountain Lion recently, and it seems after I've done that ctrl+scroll = zoom in/out no longer works, and I can't find in Preferences where to turn it back on. Anyone know what's up?JamesOff posted:The scrollbars also appear if you put two fingers on the trackpad without moving them, which can be handy for checking progress through a document without actually moving it. I love this. Thank you.
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LP0 ON FIRE posted:I updated to Mountain Lion recently, and it seems after I've done that ctrl+scroll = zoom in/out no longer works, and I can't find in Preferences where to turn it back on. Anyone know what's up? I think it's under accessibility.
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Kingnothing posted:I think it's under accessibility. Yep  edit: On that note, make sure anyone who uses that zooming turns off Synergy beforehand or fun times await you. carry on then fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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I want to move to a faster / higher resolution machine from my 2010 13" MBP - it's got 8GB, 115GB SSD, 500GB optibay but the slowness is setting in dealing with virtual machines. To keep it on a budget I'm probably going to end up with a Thinkpad rather than a used 15" MBP/Retina or 13" Air, now the question is - are there any Linux or Windows office applications that can interface with my iCloud documents? I work off two machines and it would loving suck to not have iCloud.
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The only way to interface with iCloud documents is currently beta.icloud.com. You can edit Pages, Numbers and Keynote documents but that's it.
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BlackMK4 posted:I want to move to a faster / higher resolution machine from my 2010 13" MBP - it's got 8GB, 115GB SSD, 500GB optibay but the slowness is setting in dealing with virtual machines. To keep it on a budget I'm probably going to end up with a Thinkpad rather than a used 15" MBP/Retina or 13" Air, now the question is - are there any Linux or Windows office applications that can interface with my iCloud documents? I work off two machines and it would loving suck to not have iCloud. C2D + VM's = puuukkee
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I guess I can do that - I just love how seamless iCloud with Pages and Numbers is. Ah well.
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Bob Morales posted:C2D + VM's = puuukkee They're not that bad.
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Bob Morales posted:C2D + VM's = puuukkee Have pity on us poors who can't afford to upgrade every time Intel makes a new chipset.
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I remember the old days running virtual pc on an OS 9 PowerMac with 133Mhz CPU. At the time it was amazing!
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Binary Badger posted:Have pity on us poors who can't afford to upgrade every time Intel makes a new chipset. It works fine - they just aren't as nice as a newer chip, and the C2D's are pretty old now.
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carry on then posted:Yep Kingnothing posted:I think it's under accessibility. Ahh.. I knew this. Thank you
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Bob Morales posted:It works fine - they just aren't as nice as a newer chip, and the C2D's are pretty old now. I'm just disappointed that the race for good graphics hasn't carried over to the Windows side of VMWare. I actually think Windows XP feels more responsive and smoother running under Parallels on my C2D than under VMWare Workstation on my Haswell i5 desktop.
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Is there some way to get Gmail notifications appear in Notification Center, and have those notifications redirect to Gmail on the web? The alternatives don't work: Mail.app only syncs Gmail properly one-way, and Airmail crashes when I try to add my non-Gmail account.
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Godzilla07 posted:Is there some way to get Gmail notifications appear in Notification Center, and have those notifications redirect to Gmail on the web? The alternatives don't work: Mail.app only syncs Gmail properly one-way, and Airmail crashes when I try to add my non-Gmail account. What's the default mail client not doing for ya? There is an official google gmail app as well.
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door Door door posted:Two finger scroll (put two fingers on the trackpad and move them up or down). The new default configuration is that moving your fingers up scrolls down and vice versa because Apple wants everything to be like an iDevice. If you want up to scroll up there's a setting under the trackpad pane in system prefs. Ahh thank you, that's much better crazysim posted:I'm guessing no USB drives is implied as well? Your hands are so tied. If that isn't an actual blocker, your options greatly expand. Yeah, no USB drives. There's a local network, just no internet access. Some additional stuff has been pre-installed, but I haven't had time to really explore any of the extras. The laptop was provided as a "convenience" so that I wouldn't have to keep walking down the hall to a lab with some linux stations every time that I wanted to make a few changes to something. Once I actually get into a groove I'm sure that this will be nice, but so far it's been really rough going from RHEL to OSX Bob Morales posted:You can't change the defaults like I showed you? that will 'fix' pgup/pgdn I can, I'm just venting frustration at having to modify settings that I think should have been defaulting to something else. I can't figure out a reason to not broadcast pageup/pagedown to open terminal programs, but at least it was relatively easy to change the behavior once someone told me what to do. I was always told that OSX is incredibly easy to use and user-friendly, so I was expecting a lot, but so far the Linux to OSX transition has been a lot more frustrating than the Windows to Linux. It's just a little disheartening is all. I'll get it
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Is there a way to auto hide the menu bar? I'm looking for something that recreates what full screening an application does, i.e., when I hover my mouse cursor towards the top of the screen, then menu bar drops down. The only solution I came across was something called MenuAndDockless, but that autohides both the menu bar and the dock, and I have to set it per application. I just want to auto hide the menu bar to gain a bit more desktop space on my Air.
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QuarkJets posted:I can, I'm just venting frustration at having to modify settings that I think should have been defaulting to something else. I can't figure out a reason to not broadcast pageup/pagedown to open terminal programs, but at least it was relatively easy to change the behavior once someone told me what to do. I was always told that OSX is incredibly easy to use and user-friendly, so I was expecting a lot, but so far the Linux to OSX transition has been a lot more frustrating than the Windows to Linux. It's just a little disheartening is all. I'll get it The other thing that might be throwing you is that OS X is BSD at its core, meaning that it's not using the same versions of a lot of the software packages you're used to dealing with in Linux.
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QuarkJets posted:I can, I'm just venting frustration at having to modify settings that I think should have been defaulting to something else. I can't figure out a reason to not broadcast pageup/pagedown to open terminal programs, but at least it was relatively easy to change the behavior once someone told me what to do. I was always told that OSX is incredibly easy to use and user-friendly, so I was expecting a lot, but so far the Linux to OSX transition has been a lot more frustrating than the Windows to Linux. It's just a little disheartening is all. I'll get it You will, and it happens both ways. My personal computers are Macs, but I use RHEL at work, and having to use shift-PgUp/PgDn to scroll Linux terminals always bugs me. I think the key is that I never do significant text editing in a terminal. I can see how you'd be in a world of hurt if you do, but when you're just using a shell that behavior is annoying. Sending cryptic escape sequences to your command line serves no useful purpose, while paging through the terminal's buffer does. This is probably why Apple made that choice -- they expect most users to use GUI apps to edit text. (Even hardcore vi users can do that with MacVim -- if they're allowed to download poo poo! That is going to be a huge annoyance for you.) Also, the truly big advantage for OS X lies in other areas. Namely, the lack of driver or dependency hell. I have these disfiguring scars from trying to install decent X11 drivers on RHEL 5, and the less said about trying to install non-RPM programs on RHEL the better. 
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Mercurius posted:For the most part, it is easy to use and intuitive...for normal users. Yea, every now and then there's a rumor that Apple will hide the terminal. The UNIX underpinnings of OS X have always been a little bit weird. They were a lot weirder in the PPC days if you came from Linux.
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Mercurius posted:The other thing that might be throwing you is that OS X is BSD at its core, meaning that it's not using the same versions of a lot of the software packages you're used to dealing with in Linux. BobHoward posted:You will, and it happens both ways. My personal computers are Macs, but I use RHEL at work, and having to use shift-PgUp/PgDn to scroll Linux terminals always bugs me. OSX doesn't have driver dependency hell because it doesn't have drivers to speak of. Ask anyone who tried to use a 10.4.2 disk to install on a newer system, anyone running Haswell on a Hackintosh now, etc. It works or it doesn't work, there is no try. You don't need "non-RPM programs" to get "decent X11 drivers" on RHEL5. AMD, nVidia, Intel, S3, and everyone else publishes RPMs. RHEL keeps the kernel ABI the same the whole way through, so it's really easy (complaints about getting nVidia binary blobs working on nightly versions of X.org on Fedora/Gentoo/whatever are relevant, just that RHEL isn't). Bob Morales posted:Yea, every now and then there's a rumor that Apple will hide the terminal.
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Is there any reason I would be unable to hide a software update in the MAS? I want to ignore the latest Xcode update, but I don't have the option to anywhere. I expanded the "More.." section, right clicked everywhere over the update but no option to hide it. I'm still on 10.8.3 because I'm on a hackintosh and basically just waiting it out for 10.9, but the new Xcode requires 10.8.4+. I was able to hide the OSX update but can't hide the Xcode update for some reason 
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evol262 posted:It's actually Mach at its core. BSD is just the userland. Yeah, and I think that being based on UNIX is what made these differences so jarring. Imagine my surprise when all of the UNIX features and settings that I was expecting were actually completely different
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evol262 posted:It's actually Mach at its core. BSD is just the userland. Edit: QuarkJets posted:Yeah, and I think that being based on UNIX is what made these differences so jarring. Imagine my surprise when all of the UNIX features and settings that I was expecting were actually completely different Mercurius fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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evol262 posted:It's actually Mach at its core. BSD is just the userland. Not true - the OS X kernel is half BSD, half Mach (and another half IOKit). Most of the unixy stuff like POSIX calls, files, and networking are derived from the FreeBSD kernel.
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evol262 posted:As a "hardcore vi user", I would never use MacVim. The entire advantage of vim is that it comes with the operating system. The entire advantage to running a *nix (from my perspective) is that it's easy to get out to other systems via SSH and that everything behaves mostly the same from terminal to terminal once you get stty or whatever hosed thing that UNIX uses configured. Different strokes I guess. That comment was based on a friend of mine who is a certified Linux and Vim fiend, and who was also a certified Apple hater right up until he bought an iPhone, which we all gave him crap for.  Then a couple years later he followed the iPhone up with a MBP because it was in his opinion the best Sandy Bridge laptop hardware... and he proceeded to not install Linux on it, which (predictably) we all gave him crap for. He uses MacVim.quote:OSX doesn't have driver dependency hell because it doesn't have drivers to speak of. It certainly does have drivers, but I understand what you're saying -- most people never need anything but the drivers Apple distributes with the OS to cover their own hardware. The thing is, the infrastructure is there. There is a stable driver API and even a stable driver ABI. Third parties can (and do) distribute OS X kernel extensions which don't break when Apple sneezes. Apple isn't as good about driver API/ABI stability as Microsoft, but they're both way better than Linux. That's no accident either. It's a conscious policy decision by several core Linux kernel developers, including Linus Torvalds. They have their reasons, and I understand them, but it does cause usability issues all the same. Like this: quote:You don't need "non-RPM programs" to get "decent X11 drivers" on RHEL5. AMD, nVidia, Intel, S3, and everyone else publishes RPMs. RHEL keeps the kernel ABI the same the whole way through, so it's really easy (complaints about getting nVidia binary blobs working on nightly versions of X.org on Fedora/Gentoo/whatever are relevant, just that RHEL isn't). Er, they don't all publish RPMs. From very recent experience, I know for a fact that NVidia distributes self-extracting archives which, when you run them, literally compile a shim kernel module to interface the Linux kernel to the NVidia binary driver blob, also contained and installed by the self-extracting archive. And I also know that when this house-of-cards "install" process goes wrong it can be insanely frustrating to get working. (Thankfully, NVidia does at least make sure that failures are graceful -- all that happens is that you don't get your drivers installed.) Also, I didn't write that totally clearly. The RPM comment was about application software, not drivers. Not even all open source applications have been packaged as RPM, and even when they have they may not have been packaged for the specific RHEL I'm using. Sometimes installing a non-native RPM works. Other times I end up needing to install a non-native SRPM and hack on the source and/or build scripts till it builds something which does work. This is not fun. quote:Every proprietary UNIX has its own weird poo poo, including NeXT, and Apple dragged the (awful) NetInfo poo poo from NeXT into OSX. It's gone now, fyi. They added LDAP, migrated things to it over one or two OS X releases, and finally removed NetInfo in 10.5.
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chimz posted:Not true - the OS X kernel is half BSD, half Mach (and another half IOKit). Most of the unixy stuff like POSIX calls, files, and networking are derived from the FreeBSD kernel. The NeXT kernel was BSD 4.3-derived, so keeping BSD semantics is natural. They synced up again (with FBSD 5.2) around Panther, but calling it FreeBSD-derived does a disservice to the XNU kernel devs. Pedantic. BobHoward posted:Different strokes I guess. That comment was based on a friend of mine who is a certified Linux and Vim fiend, and who was also a certified Apple hater right up until he bought an iPhone, which we all gave him crap for. BobHoward posted:It certainly does have drivers, but I understand what you're saying -- most people never need anything but the drivers Apple distributes with the OS to cover their own hardware. The thing is, the infrastructure is there. There is a stable driver API and even a stable driver ABI. Third parties can (and do) distribute OS X kernel extensions which don't break when Apple sneezes. Apple isn't as good about driver API/ABI stability as Microsoft, but they're both way better than Linux. BobHoward posted:That's no accident either. It's a conscious policy decision by several core Linux kernel developers, including Linus Torvalds. They have their reasons, and I understand them, but it does cause usability issues all the same. Like this: BobHoward posted:Er, they don't all publish RPMs. From very recent experience, I know for a fact that NVidia distributes self-extracting archives which, when you run them, literally compile a shim kernel module to interface the Linux kernel to the NVidia binary driver blob, also contained and installed by the self-extracting archive. And I also know that when this house-of-cards "install" process goes wrong it can be insanely frustrating to get working. (Thankfully, NVidia does at least make sure that failures are graceful -- all that happens is that you don't get your drivers installed.) If you believe XNU is stable, please go read the Darwin mailing lists and look at their superb hardware compatibility. Apple has consciously decided to support a limited subset of hardware, and support it very well. That's fine, and it's a good business decision for them. You can't pretend that OSX has good driver support, though. Moreover, when I say "they publish RPMs", I mean that the package maintainers in ELrepo and RPMfusion are nVidia employees, and that you can "yum -y install xorg-x11-nvidia" to get working drivers on any system which needs them and has ELrepo (for EL-distros) or RPMfusion (better) enabled, which almost every RPM-based system does. nVidia publishes a shlex because they don't have any idea what system you'll be trying to install on. Linux has very fragmented package management across distros. If you're on an RPM-based distro, you should be using RPMfusion, and installing prebuilt nVidia binary drivers, enabling them, and getting everything working is "yum -y install xorg-x11-nvidia && reboot". That's it. BobHoward posted:Also, I didn't write that totally clearly. The RPM comment was about application software, not drivers. Not even all open source applications have been packaged as RPM, and even when they have they may not have been packaged for the specific RHEL I'm using. Sometimes installing a non-native RPM works. Other times I end up needing to install a non-native SRPM and hack on the source and/or build scripts till it builds something which does work. This is not fun. BobHoward posted:It's gone now, fyi. They added LDAP, migrated things to it over one or two OS X releases, and finally removed NetInfo in 10.5. QuarkJets posted:Yeah, and I think that being based on UNIX is what made these differences so jarring. Imagine my surprise when all of the UNIX features and settings that I was expecting were actually completely different Mercurius posted:I dunno if you've ever used FreeBSD or anything similar but you'd find a lot of the binaries you're used to from Linux distros either aren't there at all or are the BSD versions of the apps and features are either different or missing. OS X is a lot more like the various BSD based distros in terms of UNIX binaries than Linux and tends to be missing the same stuff.
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When running multiple apps in fullscreen mode there's no way to lock the order of them, is there? I usually have chrome, my mail client, itunes, and a word processor or something running at one time. I like having my mail client first and itunes all the way to the right, but anytime an action shifts focus between apps e.g. I click a link in and email, which opens in chrome, the new app jumps all the way to the left. I'd really like to be able to lock them in place because then I can just switch between apps based on their position and not have to look and see which is which.
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Not to my knowledge. This drives me batty too, as I'm a creature of habit and I like having all my apps in the right order.
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door Door door posted:When running multiple apps in fullscreen mode there's no way to lock the order of them, is there? I usually have chrome, my mail client, itunes, and a word processor or something running at one time. I like having my mail client first and itunes all the way to the right, but anytime an action shifts focus between apps e.g. I click a link in and email, which opens in chrome, the new app jumps all the way to the left. I'd really like to be able to lock them in place because then I can just switch between apps based on their position and not have to look and see which is which. System Preferences -> Mission Control -> Automatically rearrange Spaces based on most recent use
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Supgaiz posted:System Preferences -> Mission Control -> Automatically rearrange Spaces based on most recent use You are a saint. Hello always-space-#2 iTunes!
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Spaces is the best part of OSX in my humble goonish opinion, it's so far beyond anything Windows can do.
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Speaking of, when I'm looking at a space with no terminals open and click the terminal in the dock, I can have it either take me back to a space with a running terminal or just activate the app, but I can't make it open a new terminal window as if none were running at all? Edit: 2D spaces would be pretty great, I tend to have a lot of them open and just extending off to the right forever isn't really what I want. Ninja Rope fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Sep 28, 2013 |
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Spaces could be a little better though. I just want to be able to say "itunes is always the right-most space, mail is always to the left of iTunes, Reeder is always to the left of Mail. Like, micromanage what opens where. And the nerd in me wants 2D spaces. a 2x2 grid. But that would be a nightmare for most people. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Sep 28, 2013 |
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