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I sincerely hope that no one really thought Rick Reilly should be elected or promoted for anything. What a weird choice of words. Elected for what? Does that mean someone thinks Rick Reilly should be loving President?
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My inbox flowed red this week after my column on the flap over the Washington Redskins name. You’d have thought I shot a boxful of kittens. Or saved a boxful. Some thought I should be fired. Some thought I should be elected. Some called me racist. Some thanked me for honoring a race. I still don’t know whether “redskin” is a racist term, I just know that on many Native American reservations, they don’t think so. Three reservation high schools I spoke with, in fact, use “Redskins” as their team name and wear it with pride. This whole Redskins thing is an exposed nerve. It triggers passion on every topic from race relations to political correctness. Everybody and their cabbie seems to want to weigh in on it, sometimes like anvils through bay windows. I’ve even felt strongly both ways. In 1991, for Sports Illustrated, I wrote that it was time to change the name. But in the 22 years since, I’ve grown to understand that it’s not up to me. It should be an issue decided by Native Americans, not this sudden wave of almost entirely white, politically correct sports writers. For some of you, if even one person is insulted, that’s enough to dump it. For others, it’s a non-issue that only smokescreens so many real problems Native Americans have. For still others, it’s just further proof that I should bathe in quicksand. I know one thing, though. The larger the social media tsunami grows, the easier it comes for people to react easily and quickly, the more I notice a backlash against any stance that doesn’t fit the Consensus Opinion. Is that what you want from your sports columnists, someone to simply parrot what the cool kids are saying? Because that will never be me. There’s a word to describe fish that only float with the current: “dead.” **dumb reader emails here* That’s just the point. “Redskins” is not a word that comes up on reservations, according to the people I interviewed. They only hear it as part of their own schools’ teams or the NFL team in Washington. Most have no idea where it came from. (Linguists disagree.) It only symbolizes their teams and the pride they feel in their school. To take that away just because a few find it offensive? I’m not convinced that’s fair. **more emails** That final line -- “Kind of like a reservation” -- seems to have either infuriated people or delighted them. A lot of readers said it was insulting to Native Americans. Some said it opened their eyes to a new way to look at the problem. One blogger wrote that it was “a fireable offense.” Oh, please. Largely white media deciding what’s best for Native Americans, putting up verbal borders to “protect” them, as though they can’t stand up for themselves, has a scent of it, which is all I alluded to. **lots of bullshit** I have zero doubt the Redskins will change the name sooner or later. This idea that “It just SOUNDS like an insult,” right or wrong, is not going to go away. And the PC pressure never lets up, it only doubles and re-doubles. The irony is that the Redskins' much-reviled owner, Daniel Snyder, will make millions on the new name, the new logo and the selling of hundreds of thousands of new shirts, hats and license plate holders. Who’s ready to buy a Washington Presidents toilet seat? **sigh** I get that, but why is the pressure only on the Redskins to change? Why not your stomach-turning Braves, the Cleveland Indians, and Florida State Seminoles, whose foam tomahawk chant is purely Hollywood and has no origin in Native culture. **zzzzzzz** There is a pro soccer team in Amsterdam -- Ajax -- that began letting itself be known unofficially as “The Jews,” supposedly because many of its fans were Jewish. The nickname caught on. Their fans began tattooing the Star of David on themselves and carrying giant 100-feet-wide banners with the Star of David on them. Predictably, fans of their opponents began baiting them with anti-Semitic chants and signs, and it all got even uglier. Who thought of the name doesn’t matter. What matters is how many Native Americans feel they’re being insulted. A few? Maybe it’s not worth changing. A lot? Get rid of it. edit: At the very bottom of the page, after the article SPONSORED HEADLINES The 10 Beer-Drinkingest States In America (TheStreet) The_Hat fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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The_Hat posted:I still don’t know whether “redskin” is a racist term, I just know that on many Native American reservations, they don’t think so. Three reservation high schools I spoke with, in fact, use “Redskins” as their team name and wear it with pride. Rick Reilly is a LF fake-poster circa 2009?
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The_Hat posted:That’s just the point. “Redskins” is not a word that comes up on reservations, according to the people I interviewed. how does this not set off a thousand alarms in your head
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quote:I’ve even felt strongly both ways. In 1991, for Sports Illustrated, I wrote that it was time to change the name. But in the 22 years since, I’ve grown to understand that it’s not up to me. It should be an issue decided by Native Americans, not this sudden wave of almost entirely white, politically correct sports writers.
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Declan MacManus posted:how does this not set off a thousand alarms in your head The ultimate test would be for Rick Reilly to walk up to a group of Native youth and say "Sup Redskins?" If he doesn't get his rear end kicked, he may have a point.
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Rick Reilly brings shame to the state of Colorado.
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Chris Gaines posted:Rick Reilly brings shame to the state of Colorado. Is he from Colorado Springs? Colorado Springs is like the state's official douchebag ranch. Ever few years they set it on fire to cull the herd.
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I think he's actually from Boulder, which is the complete opposite of Colorado Springs in every way possible.
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Chris Gaines posted:I think he's actually from Boulder, which is the complete opposite of Colorado Springs in every way possible. But also equally as terrible. I wish more states instituted the "Put every type of douchebag in their own containment zone" mentality like CO did.
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Boulder's not as bad as Colorado Springs because the Boulder equivalent of Focus on the Family just sells homemade hemp necklaces
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Rap posted:Boulder's not as bad as Colorado Springs because the Boulder equivalent of Focus on the Family just sells homemade hemp necklaces What Colorado Springs calls Jesus, Boulder calls Gaia
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I might be conflating things, but I'm pretty sure anyone could be a Seminole. What with "Seminole" not really being the name of a Native American group (they were the Creek, Choctaw, and some others). I thought it meant something like renegade and is just a Creek word.
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Sash! posted:I might be conflating things, but I'm pretty sure anyone could be a Seminole. What with "Seminole" not really being the name of a Native American group (they were the Creek, Choctaw, and some others). I thought it meant something like renegade and is just a Creek word. Honestly though, the whole "I found a member of the minority who isn't offended!" defense is the laziest possible response to accusations of racism. There have been Jewish Nazis and Black Klansman. You can always find a handful of people of any race who will support something or other no matter how insane it is.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Honestly though, the whole "I found a member of the minority who isn't offended!" defense is the laziest possible response to accusations of racism. gently caress Whitey
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Black Klansman
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Chris Gaines posted:I...what It is real. Trust me.
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(The one I know of was a cop working on undercover hate crime investigations) There's also a thread on Stormfront talking about the BSSOTKK (Black Secret Society of the Klu Klux Klan). I suspect that their anecdotes may, just may not be rooted in truths. Kalli fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Chichevache posted:It is real. Trust me. 
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Kalli posted:(The one I know of was a cop working on undercover hate crime investigations) I remember when I was in 6th or 7th grade, about 11 years ago, I was doing a report on the KKK so I decided to visit their website. It was covered with horrible clipart of black and white rainbows and a ridiculous screed about the KKK's agenda. You see, their goal wasn't to get rid of black people, it was to keep races pure by not mixing, just like god intends. The grey scale rainbows symbolized this, as they did not mix colors. In the middle of the page was a smiling old black man, supposedly a member of theirs. The caption below the picture was a description of how he joined the KKK because he too wanted the races separate, and did not believe whites and blacks should marry. 
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Chris Gaines posted:I...what The point being... there are like 7 billion people on the earth. You can find literally someone who will represent or defend anything.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The point being... there are like 7 billion people on the earth. You can find literally someone who will represent or defend anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c97c_2x88iU
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Scott Kacsmar wrote another dopey thing on his blog about whether or not Aaron Rodgers is "clutch". Comments on his blog are moderated, so of course the comments complaining about his garish color scheme got through and replies using the relatively simple math taught in a sophomore level calculus-based statistics class to criticize his arguments vanish into the luminiferous æther. Look how dumb I am, commenting on blogs of ESPN hacks 
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Rick Reilly is an unethical piece of poo poo http://deadspin.com/rick-reillys-american-indian-father-in-law-says-reilly-1443599450 quote:
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Rick Reilly's Native American father-in-law says he was completely misquoted; destroys Reilly's article. http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/10/10/blackfeet-elder-says-rick-reilly-misquoted-him-wants-redskins-banned-151696 lol
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I think so. Shame it didn't come out earlier in the day, as ESPN would definitely have this all over their talk shows which have been hammering the team lately over the name. Ah well, tomorrow then. Also, I love, love, love this development. E: Ohhhh yeah, top trending thing on twitter at the moment, this is beautiful. Kalli fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Oct 10, 2013 |
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Oct 10, 2013 22:09
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I'm way too happy about the potential end to a mans career
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Hahaha. God gently caress Rick Reilly.
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Oct 10, 2013 22:11
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Rick Reilly is a dick. Reilly.
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Between this and the Lennay Kekua story, I wish there was a Deadspin for real life
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It is unquestionable that Rick Reilly should be fired for such a massive breach of ethics which is why I think ESPN is going to do jack poo poo except maybe make him issue an apology. On twitter.
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Rogue Elephant posted:It is unquestionable that Rick Reilly should be fired for such a massive breach of ethics which is why I think ESPN is going to do jack poo poo except maybe make him issue an apology. Is it starry-eyed optimism in me that thinks maybe, just maybe, ESPN can use this as a way to fire him with cause and get out of their rifuckingdiculous contract with him? I know I shouldn't be, but I'm just flabbergasted that there isn't a mention of it on their front page. Not a peep.
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Rogue Elephant posted:It is unquestionable that Rick Reilly should be fired for such a massive breach of ethics which is why I think ESPN is going to do jack poo poo except maybe make him issue an apology. They didn't even do anything to Craig James. CJ left to run for Congress and when he wanted to come back they just said "no thanks".
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Jason McIntyre, Editor in chief of the Big Lead / former ESPN writer says ESPN will have an announcement about Reilly shortly. Maybe not firing him yet, but this is exploding all over him and I am proud to join this torch wielding mob
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It really bothers me that ESPN is the biggest market of anything in the world and their ethical, journalistic and general standards are less than a monthly free news pamphlet that you find at small town bait-n-tackle shops during the summer
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sweet thursday posted:It really bothers me that ESPN is the biggest market of anything in the world and their ethical, journalistic and general standards are less than a monthly free news pamphlet that you find at small town bait-n-tackle shops during the summer Well, because they are the biggest in the world, they don't have to care as much because people will read it anyway
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I wonder how many of those response letters he posted for his followup column were misquoted...
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Febreeze posted:Well, because they are the biggest in the world, they don't have to care as much because people will read it anyway When you get to a certain extreme, I guess the regular laws governing life get flipped upside down. Like in economics, usually a ridiculously high price on something will lower demand, unless the price is so high that it in itself becomes a reason to pay a stupid amount of money for it.
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Kalli posted:I wonder how many of those response letters he posted for his followup column were misquoted... Probably none? It's not too hard to cherry-pick response letters that fit your viewpoint when you probably get a poo poo ton of them.
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