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NovaPolice posted:how big can you make levels in Doom source-ports? Like, before it gets all chuggy and the engine freaks out? ZDoom and its forks are kind of wonky about this. Open up Doombuilder and you can theoretically make a 65535x65535 room, which is the maximum size you can make, but if you try and play it you're not going to get very far. If the playing field is larger than 32767x32767 units, there's going to be Problems. It's not going to be chuggy, but the engine is definitely going to freak out. Hell, even creating a open sector larger than 10922 units is going to cause Problems.
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The new Shadow Warrior gets giant thumbs up from RPS, primarily getting credit for returning to what made the 1990s BUILD games so fun. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/09/26/wot-i-think-shadow-warrior/
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Sep 26, 2013 17:09
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How big is SKYMAYBE.WAD? It had a reputation for crashing Doom.
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Sep 26, 2013 18:41
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How much of that reputation was earned through the "DO NOT OPEN" door that crashed the game on purpose with a hacked "told you so" error message?  (The Sky May Be is unironically one of my favorite WADs and I firmly believe that BLESSED.DEH is the greatest gameplay mod ever made)
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Sep 26, 2013 18:51
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Bouchacha posted:The new Shadow Warrior gets giant thumbs up from RPS, primarily getting credit for returning to what made the 1990s BUILD games so fun. My review is up on Indie Statik now. I'm not quite as heavy on the gushing praise, but it's still a really good game. I really don't think it's an old-school shooter. It has elements of one, but it's a pretty unique formula all round. There's potential for it to reach proper perfection in a sequel.
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Sep 26, 2013 18:52
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Dominic White posted:My review is up on Indie Statik now. I'm not quite as heavy on the gushing praise, but it's still a really good game. I really don't think it's an old-school shooter. It has elements of one, but it's a pretty unique formula all round. There's potential for it to reach proper perfection in a sequel. I've heard it has comparisons to Painkiller and Bulletstorm, which sounds just lovely. Can't wait to play it after getting off work.
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Sep 26, 2013 19:21
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For reference - I thought Painkiller was just okay and despised Hard Reset. (Bullet Storm too, actually) But Shadow Warrior is fun! Playing on Insane difficulty the basic enemies are beefy, but not frustratingly so. You just need to make every shot and swing count, and learn to love your dash because the game is incredibly generous with the AoE on their swings. So far my biggest complaint is that they insist on doing the stupid fade to greyscale poo poo when you get low on HP, which not only ruins the visuals but makes it much harder to pick out enemies doing something like prepping a ranged attack from a distance. Hoping someone finds a .ini tweak to remove that! e: I'm not sure playing on Insane difficulty first is the best way to enjoy the game, but it's really only the first fight that's sketchy before you have access to all the basic tools. Also there was a greyed-out 'EX Mode' and 'Hero Mode' in the game start menu so it looks like there's some replayability. Geight fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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Sep 26, 2013 20:00
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Geight posted:e: I'm not sure playing on Insane difficulty first is the best way to enjoy the game, but it's really only the first fight that's sketchy before you have access to all the basic tools. Also there was a greyed-out 'EX Mode' and 'Hero Mode' in the game start menu so it looks like there's some replayability. One of the things that disappointed me with the game is that EX mode is a bare-bones New Game Plus. Restart the game on the same difficulty, but with all your weapons and upgrades. Heroic Mode is basically playing the game locked to Insane difficulty, but without checkpoints. One life per level. It's a great game, but there's holes in there that look almost exactly like an arena survival mode, and a Devil May Cry style NG+ with new enemy placement.
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Sep 26, 2013 22:14
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Dominic White posted:It's a great game, but there's holes in there that look almost exactly like an arena survival mode, and a Devil May Cry style NG+ with new enemy placement. Soon, soon...  (I'm loving the poo poo out of the katana combat in expert mode).
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Sep 26, 2013 22:25
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Dominic White posted:It's a great game, but there's holes in there that look almost exactly like an arena survival mode, and a Devil May Cry style NG+ with new enemy placement. Lo Wang Must Die mode.
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Sep 26, 2013 22:30
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Zaphod42 posted:Lo Wang Must Die mode. Wang Must Bang. That was terrible.
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Sep 26, 2013 22:47
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TerminusEst13 posted:Wang Must Bang. Ha, it'd fit in with his standard grade of one-liners. I like the one for your first crossbow kill. "I hope that got my point across. Ugh, that was terrible. ... gently caress your mother."
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Sep 26, 2013 22:50
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I have to say that I prefer this Lo Wang to the previous one because he's a douchebag with skills and 90's style. Please, if you find a hotline miami arcade, spend some money on it!
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Sep 26, 2013 23:26
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So how many weapons are in the new Shadow Warrior? This is very important.
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Sep 26, 2013 23:49
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Guillermus posted:I have to say that I prefer this Lo Wang to the previous one because he's a douchebag with skills and 90's style. Not to mention the game is a lot of fun.
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Sep 26, 2013 23:54
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:So how many weapons are in the new Shadow Warrior? This is very important. I haven't had a chance to get home and play yet, but I think I read in one of the reviews that there's 9 total. The sword, 6 guns, the heart and I'm assuming the guardian head.
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Sep 27, 2013 00:02
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As long as it doesn't have the lovely and unnecessary racism it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to salvage what's left of his character.
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Agent Kool-Aid posted:As long as it doesn't have the lovely and unnecessary racism it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to salvage what's left of his character. For what it's worth, the new voice sounds infinitely better than the temp office worker going "Sticky Bomb rike-a you!" and "BANZAAAIIIII". TerminusEst13 fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Sep 27, 2013 00:32
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:So how many weapons are in the new Shadow Warrior? This is very important. One sword (plus three special moves), six guns (all with altfires), two special weapons harvested from demons and four spells.
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Sep 27, 2013 00:36
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Lo Wang2.0 is great because he's a real character and also a loving nerd. A wealthy, violent, foul-mouthed nerd. I feel like the charged sword strike and the charge spin are pretty much the bread and butter skills for the game, with the roar or the lift kind of being useless. I'm mostly using the latter because it makes the game happy and gives me more karma - It seems too cumbersome to try and combo them in any useful way.
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Sep 27, 2013 00:39
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My go-to power the whole way through was the Shield spell, paired with either the crossbow or shotgun. Makes run-and-gun play a lot safer when you only take half damage.
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Dominic White posted:One sword (plus three special moves), six guns (all with altfires), two special weapons harvested from demons and four spells. That sounds nice and rounded. It always bothers me when an FPS arsenal is too derivative. You know, the predictable "melee, pistol, shotgun, rapid fire weapon, rocket launcher, sniper rifle" roster.
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Sep 27, 2013 01:00
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Yeah, that demon skull looked straight out of Blood and kind of got me re-excited for the new game. I just have so many other games on the backburner I'm trying my damnedest to hold off on buying new games, went a little crazy this year.
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Zaphod42 posted:So a big empty 65535x65535 hanger would be fine, but you try to fit all of doom in a single map, and things get pretty gnarly. Didn't someone actually do this and put the entirety of Doom 2 in a single map?
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Dominic White posted:Ha, it'd fit in with his standard grade of one-liners. I like the one for your first crossbow kill. Between Blood Dragon and Shadow Warrior, I am SO glad to have some new games that don't take themselves too seriously. Michael Biehn's constant "For gently caress's sake!" was amazing.  KozmoNaut posted:Didn't someone actually do this and put the entirety of Doom 2 in a single map? Yeah, that's what I was referring to. I can't remember if it was Doom 2 or one of the episodes of Doom 1, but yeah. It did work, although I'm pretty sure there were performance problems, and you definitely had to use a sourceport. Somebody have the .wad I'm talking about? I can't remember the details... Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Sep 27, 2013 15:36
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Zaphod42 posted:
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It was Doom 2, yes, and it was indeed called Memorial. There weren't performance problems, per se, but they had to fix a bug for it to work in ZDoom because beyond a certain point, bullets no longer worked because they would hit the air in front of you like it was a wall. At least, I think they fixed that bug?
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Chinese Tony Danza posted:It was Doom 2, yes, and it was indeed called Memorial. There weren't performance problems, per se, but they had to fix a bug for it to work in ZDoom because beyond a certain point, bullets no longer worked because they would hit the air in front of you like it was a wall. At least, I think they fixed that bug? Anyone got details on this? I want to know how the hell you could end up with THAT as a bug.
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xanthan posted:Anyone got details on this? I want to know how the hell you could end up with THAT as a bug. Probably a consequence of the map size limit discussed earlier- the math that checks whether or not a bullet hit any wall breaks down once you get far enough from the origin, and the crazy numbers it comes up with count as a "hit" at a point that doesn't correspond to an actual wall.
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haveblue posted:Probably a consequence of the map size limit discussed earlier- the math that checks whether or not a bullet hit any wall breaks down once you get far enough from the origin, and the crazy numbers it comes up with count as a "hit" at a point that doesn't correspond to an actual wall. This is correct. As said earlier, if you get a playing field larger than 32767x32767 units, there's going to be Problems. At that point, collision just doesn't exist anymore--you can go through solid walls, shoot at and hit thin air, glide across floors like ice, walk on ceilings, and more. It's really quite surreal.
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Chinese Tony Danza posted:It was Doom 2, yes, and it was indeed called Memorial. There weren't performance problems, per se, but they had to fix a bug for it to work in ZDoom because beyond a certain point, bullets no longer worked because they would hit the air in front of you like it was a wall. At least, I think they fixed that bug? Ah damnit, it totally was Doom2. Now that I think about it, I remember opening the door at the end of map01 and seeing map02 just begin instantly without the expected score crawl screen, and it blew my mind.  Memorial, that was it. I kept thinking of Momento Mori and I was like "no, that's definitely not it"
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Maybe someone could redo memorial as......however many different levels it would need to be to not freak the hell out?
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Splitting the maps where the story text usually happens would probably work pretty well (excluding the secret levels, probably).
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Zaphod42 posted:Ah damnit, it totally was Doom2. Now that I think about it, I remember opening the door at the end of map01 and seeing map02 just begin instantly without the expected score crawl screen, and it blew my mind. How did they handle levels like Dead Simple where the exit is in the middle of a bunch of geometry?
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haveblue posted:How did they handle levels like Dead Simple where the exit is in the middle of a bunch of geometry? Teleporters.
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haveblue posted:How did they handle levels like Dead Simple where the exit is in the middle of a bunch of geometry? If I remember correctly some levels are slightly modified. But its pretty impressive, go download it and see. 
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xanthan posted:Anyone got details on this? I want to know how the hell you could end up with THAT as a bug. It's the blockmap overflow that Cat Mattress mentioned earlier. It's not so much a bug as it is a consequence of trying to force the engine to do things beyond its limitations. It only happens with hitscan weapons so you're safe with rockets and plasma rounds. The same goes for enemies too. IIRC it actually happens with a Spider Mastermind in a vanilla Doom, but I can't remember which map(s). Ninja edit: Oh that's a different (related?) thing: http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Hitscan_attacks_hit_invisible_barriers_in_large_open_areas
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Geight posted:e: I'm not sure playing on Insane difficulty first is the best way to enjoy the game, but it's really only the first fight that's sketchy before you have access to all the basic tools. Isn't this true for almost any game? Aside from games where I go in knowing they're on the rather easy side by default (Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider) it seems like cranking the difficulty up is a surefire way to make your first experiences really frustrating.
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Yodzilla posted:Isn't this true for almost any game? Aside from games where I go in knowing they're on the rather easy side by default (Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider) it seems like cranking the difficulty up is a surefire way to make your first experiences really frustrating. Most games don't have very good difficulty curves - Since posting that, I've become an unstoppable sword-wielding killing machine, whose only downfall is a tendency to hit explosive objects with my sword spin. The only difference if I'd been playing on a lower difficulty is that the first fights wouldn't have been challenging, and maybe my guns would be more of a practical option. Speaking of difficulty curves, Back to Saturn X with Project MSX has sort of a cool one - Throughout the first half I kept thinking "good thing this is MSX or this would be brutal" and then towards the end I kept wishing for vanilla guns that never needed to reload. I hope the next BTSX wads are just as fun to play with MSX, because looking at the other recommended wads for it they just aren't as high-quality.
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