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Imaginary Baron posted:Same here, my resistance is dropping. 35 scenarios in the base game, starting in the 50's and going into the the 201X's with some near future what-if stuff. A lot of the scenarios were real engagements although there's more than a few cold-war-gone-hot scenarios. As for size and length, some scenarios have you controlling a single squadron of fighters or a single sub/ship while others have you controlling multiple task forces with land-based air support. Most of the scenarios last a few hours to two days, I haven't seen anything that goes much over 48 hours. I've spent a few hours today getting absolutely shredded as the Argentinian airforce trying to take out the HMS Coventry.
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Just noticed Ageod is putting out a Spanish Civil War game, carrying over some of the mechanics of Revolution Under Seige. Goddamnit you stupid Frenchies, stop making interesting games in a crap-heap of a game engine.
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So if Matrix has all this data to come up with the best price, why did they buckle and change the price on Command Ops?
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Maybe it was an experiment? Christ guys you sound more like accountants and marketing executives than grognards.
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People grumbling about stuff is the very definition of a grognard  But seriously, gently caress Matrix and their prices.
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V for Vegas posted:Just noticed Ageod is putting out a Spanish Civil War game, carrying over some of the mechanics of Revolution Under Seige. Goddamnit you stupid Frenchies, stop making interesting games in a crap-heap of a game engine. I've picked up AACW, RoP, PoN, RUS and CW2 and played the hell out of all of them (not PoN. Obviously.) and I'll probably get the SCW one too because where else am I going to get games about the Spanish Civil War, the Russian Revolution or the Seven Years War? Cue grognards telling me exactly where I'm going to get games with those settings.
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Infantry and other mobile land forces have their speed measured in knots and can be ordered to 'flank speed.' They ignore your orders and continue 'cruising' at 5 knots, traitors.
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Speaking of sales that do exist, is Battle for Italy by SSG any good? I think I need a North Africa/Mediterranean game at some point to scratch my "reading Army at Dawn" itch. Any better games (that aren't 80 bucks) for this theater?
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Jakse posted:Speaking of sales that do exist, is Battle for Italy by SSG any good? I think I need a North Africa/Mediterranean game at some point to scratch my "reading Army at Dawn" itch. Any better games (that aren't 80 bucks) for this theater? There's always Combat Mission: Fortress Italy although that's just shy of that $80.
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uPen posted:There's always Combat Mission: Fortress Italy although that's just shy of that $80. It looks fantastic but for once this hobby owns because my pc is old and lovely so everything runs. Except that. I should be better at clarifying after 13 hours of work. Chump Farts fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Jakse posted:Speaking of sales that do exist, is Battle for Italy by SSG any good? I think I need a North Africa/Mediterranean game at some point to scratch my "reading Army at Dawn" itch. Any better games (that aren't 80 bucks) for this theater? I don't know there is much else that covers it at that scale besides scenarios in TOAW. E: Tiller should have some titles that cover some North Africa operations. vyshka fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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I need someone to like, record themselves playing Command for an hour or two, commentary would be good but isn't neccessary. I just cannot bring myself to purchase a game for this many monies without at least seeing the gameplay in action.
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Sep 27, 2013 03:57
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Baloogan posted:Maybe it was an experiment? Because I would love to own just one or two of these games but I can't justify spending such a ridiculous amount of cash.
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I'm going to try streaming it and answer questions. I've been in the command beta for a while and my (real!) name is in the credits! http://www.twitch.tv/baloogancampaign
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Those poor sailors on the DD Rowan :salute: E: Those poor sailors on the Newport News :salute: 
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Sep 27, 2013 05:31
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Clusterbombing torpedoboats: not actually a viable tactic.
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Okay so accessible UI is at about Aurora levels, same goes for general fidelity it seems. In tyool 2013.
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Koesj posted:Okay so accessible UI is at about Aurora levels, same goes for general fidelity it seems. Aurora's the first thing I thought of when I saw Baloogan's stream.
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Cheers guys, I really quite like nukes. Harpoon never had enough nukes for me. I'm thinking of streaming sandbox gameplay; its where I think the game really shines. Its quite a bit more accessible than Aurora; and has the same missile for missile (with lots of range circles) style gameplay. But yeah it sometimes looks like a database program (which it kinda is at its heart)
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dublish posted:Aurora's the first thing I thought of when I saw Baloogan's stream.  All that for €77.43! I'm anxious to see what FPC:Red Storm's priced at. Baloogan posted:Its quite a bit more accessible than Aurora; It somehow looks less intuitive than Harpoon to me.
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Koesj posted:
Now that things have calmed down a bit at work I really should spend some time with the beta.
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Koesj posted:
It's actually extremely easy to play, the interface just looks more complicated than it is because it's so bare bones. It is extremely functional which is a step in the right direction.
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vyshka posted:Now that things have calmed down a bit at work I really should spend some time with the beta. Yeah I should as well. When your last cold war fix was ALB it's a bit hard to get into though.
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I believe the game actually comes with tutorials so that'd probably ease the learning curve somewhat.
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vyshka posted:Those poor sailors on the DD Rowan :salute: Yeah, I dropped the ball on that one, should have cleaned up the patrol boats. If I went after the patrol boats, maybe also aimed at very long range at all their shore radars that I could hit I could have made my ship's target ambiguity larger, possibly too large to target effectively. Also I could have turned off sensors on my ships, I was giving them my bearing every time my radars radiated. ArchangeI posted:Clusterbombing torpedoboats: not actually a viable tactic. I think the soft targets on land would have been a more effective use of my air support. A NOE approach followed by a bombing and quick low level exfiltration would have been a good use of them. Radars off to mask the approach. Edit: I'm thinking of streaming COMMAND; if anyone has any requests (eg, do the tutorials, carrier operations, land missions, mexican navy vs American CVBG) I can focus on any topics of interest. Baloogan fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Jakse posted:Speaking of sales that do exist, is Battle for Italy by SSG any good? I think I need a North Africa/Mediterranean game at some point to scratch my "reading Army at Dawn" itch. Any better games (that aren't 80 bucks) for this theater? Battle for Italy doesn't have any NA theatre scenarios. There is basically Operation Husky (Sicily) and Operation Avalanche (Salerno). I would recommend waiting for the upcoming El Alamein by Shenandoah Studio. e: dublish posted:I've picked up AACW, RoP, PoN, RUS and CW2 and played the hell out of all of them (not PoN. Obviously.) and I'll probably get the SCW one too because where else am I going to get games about the Spanish Civil War, the Russian Revolution or the Seven Years War? There is a Tiller Squad Battles game for the SCW - http://www.hpssims.com/Pages/Products/SB/SCW/SCW.html V for Vegas fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Jakse posted:Speaking of sales that do exist, is Battle for Italy by SSG any good? I think I need a North Africa/Mediterranean game at some point to scratch my "reading Army at Dawn" itch. Any better games (that aren't 80 bucks) for this theater? I personally can't stand the game. This is what it looks like:  I don't know about anyone else, but the terrain map is just way too busy, the counters don't have any useful information on them, and overall it's just find it really difficult to understand what's going on even after reading the manual. The combat system is supposed to be boardgame based and good, but it's buried beneath what looks like a clown crapping on your monitor.
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gradenko_2000 posted:but it's buried beneath what looks like a clown crapping on your monitor. This needs to make it into a thread title
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Grognard Games Megathread - Buried beneath a clown crapping on your monitor for $105 bux
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vyshka posted:So if Matrix has all this data to come up with the best price, why did they buckle and change the price on Command Ops? The guy who develops Command Ops seems like a decent chap willing to listen (at least a little) to everyone and their mother all saying that Matrix's business practices are terrible. It's telling that he's trying hard to adopt Battlefront's product strategy: a core game release with regular modules that add scenarios and update the engine a little.
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I always picture Matrix as Professor Frink describing how computers will evolve: "It is my prediction that within 10 years, computers will be twice as powerful, ten thousand times larger, and so expensive that only the 5 richest kings of Europe will own them."
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Classy. one the matrix people asked a complainer to tell everyone which Matrix games he owns/plays. I'm tempted with the game, but have so many already that should be played that I will probably wait a while. So no more streaming!
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Going away from Matrix price-chat for a bit, why are there so many strategic-level American Civil War games, anyway? Gary Grigsby has one, AGEOD has two (plus the Pride of Nations scenario DLC), and then there's also Forge of Freedom. I figured that most wargaming interest in the ACW came from the tactical battles (what if Stonewall Jackson was at Gettysburg Day 2 and circled around south and to the left even further, etc.) and that even if you wanted the South to win strategically, it still comes down to winning battles, which strategic-level games (except perhaps FOF) don't let you play out yourself. I guess it's somewhat like a War in the Pacific thing where you're trying to do it better/faster as the North and drag it out as the South? EDIT: I couldn't help myself with that guy that was asking "well how many wargames do you actually own?", and as a bonus discovered that Matrix's forum software is worse than even Paradox's. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Going away from Matrix price-chat for a bit, why are there so many strategic-level American Civil War games, anyway? Gary Grigsby has one, AGEOD has two (plus the Pride of Nations scenario DLC), and then there's also Forge of Freedom. I figured that most wargaming interest in the ACW came from the tactical battles (what if Stonewall Jackson was at Gettysburg Day 2 and circled around south and to the left even further, etc.) and that even if you wanted the South to win strategically, it still comes down to winning battles, which strategic-level games (except perhaps FOF) don't let you play out yourself. What a douchey pissing contest. Yeah, for me I wouldn't pass the smell test because WitE is the only REALLY grognardy game I own. Then again, I have close to ten, I've done one lp of their games and currently doing another. I don't give a poo poo about Command, but I hope they lower the price so the hobby grows and, for example, I can get more games in a theater I want. That an games like PzC and Unity of Command I guess I can just spam Viktor about maybe going to North Africa. gradenko_2000 posted:Going away from Matrix price-chat for a bit, why are there so many strategic-level American Civil War games, anyway? Gary Grigsby has one, AGEOD has two (plus the Pride of Nations scenario DLC), and then there's also Forge of Freedom. I figured that most wargaming interest in the ACW came from the tactical battles (what if Stonewall Jackson was at Gettysburg Day 2 and circled around south and to the left even further, etc.) and that even if you wanted the South to win strategically, it still comes down to winning battles, which strategic-level games (except perhaps FOF) don't let you play out yourself. I would love some bayonet and musket games with hexes on a battlefield.
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What tactical Civil War games are there, actually? The last one I remember playing was Civil War General 2, and I'll admit I got that off Home of the Underdogs while that was still up.
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Would Tiller's civil war games count? I'm curious to see how Brother against Brother from the Forge of freedom guys turns out.
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Baloogan posted:Cheers guys, I really quite like nukes. Harpoon never had enough nukes for me. If you stream more, you should save the videos on Twitch so that those of us who are at work/otherwise busy can watch them after. You'd be my hero 
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Tomn posted:The last one I remember playing was Civil War General 2, As mentioned, John Tiller has a bunch of tactical level hex civil war games. http://www.johntillersoftware.com/CivilWarBattles.html
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Mr. Showtime posted:If you stream more, you should save the videos on Twitch so that those of us who are at work/otherwise busy can watch them after. You'd be my hero Yeah please do this.
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vyshka posted:Classy. one the matrix people asked a complainer to tell everyone which Matrix games he owns/plays. I'd post something like: "Cross of Iron. But that's the drat point. I'm a 90s kid and now really interested in these detailed wargames, but I can't give them a try because they're priced so expensively and don't have any way for me to try 'hands-on' if I like it, if my computer can run it, and so on. And I know I can't not the only one in that predicament. Matrix wants to be the ones who hail a wargaming renaissance, but right now they seem to be locking themselves in their temples, jealously guarding their flames. They ought to take those flames out into the world and challenge one and all, say stuff like 'oh-ho-ho, you think your Call of Duty and Red Orchestra are realistic? B****, you got nothing on what we got! Your shooter can have four people commanding squads simultaneously? We can have four people commanding ARMIES! You think you're special because you killed that guy with one shot? We can sink the Yamato, burn down Berlin, send tens of thousands to their deaths at Ypres, invade San Carlos, nuke Moscow, and do all of that before BREAKFAST! With one click! You think you're hardcore?!' After all, the Close Combat series was originally advertised as just a normal game, right?" Davin Valkri fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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