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General Battuta posted:Good lord Right?
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Sep 25, 2013 04:41
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Habibi posted:Right? Even on the scale of Niven/Pournelle right wing space fantasies, Mote was way better 
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Sep 25, 2013 04:48
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General Battuta posted:Even on the scale of Niven/Pournelle right wing space fantasies, Mote was way better Yeah I'm not disagreeing with you in any way. Also, though not strictly space fantasy, I thought their Lucifer's Hammer was much less ideological.
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Sep 25, 2013 05:54
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Did Kallor ever display any actual magical talents? I can't remember. I just remember him being pretty much immortal and a dick and a really good swordsman
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Sep 25, 2013 13:45
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e: I'm an idiot that can't distinguish 'Kallor' from 'Karsa'.
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Sep 25, 2013 15:02
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snooman posted:From what I've read so far his traits are all inherent and he resists magical effects. He also used an oil derived from or similar to otataral as a combat buff/aphrodisiac (and wooden sword maintenance). Thats Karsa.
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Sep 25, 2013 15:10
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Levitate posted:Did Kallor ever display any actual magical talents? I can't remember. I just remember him being pretty much immortal and a dick and a really good swordsman "Kallor Eiderann Tes'thesula, one voice, has spoken three curses. Thus."
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Sep 25, 2013 16:39
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I gotta say though, planting 3 curses on elder gods and making them stick as they turn your empire to ash and curse you may be the most boss move in history.
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Sep 25, 2013 18:03
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They didn't turn his empire to ash; Kallor turned his empire into ash himself as a giant gently caress-you-if-I-can't-have-it-nobody-can gesture to the Elder Gods moving against him, and he used that sacrifice as fuel for his curse. EDIT: Thinking about it, that's probably also evidence of some kind of magical ability of some sort.
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Sep 25, 2013 19:10
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Khizan posted:They didn't turn his empire to ash; Kallor turned his empire into ash himself as a giant gently caress-you-if-I-can't-have-it-nobody-can gesture to the Elder Gods moving against him, and he used that sacrifice as fuel for his curse. Yeah that's basically why I was wondering that. He destroyed an entire warren apparently but I dont' recall we ever seeing him actually use magic
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Sep 25, 2013 19:53
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Levitate posted:Yeah that's basically why I was wondering that. He destroyed an entire warren apparently but I dont' recall we ever seeing him actually use magic I thought he probably commanded some wizards to do that type of stuff for him or to set up the ritual that allowed him to do it.
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Sep 26, 2013 00:18
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Levitate posted:Yeah that's basically why I was wondering that. He destroyed an entire warren apparently but I dont' recall we ever seeing him actually use magic He didn't destroy a warren - the empire he destroyed was turned into a warren. And iirc the destruction was caused by activation of a KCCM device
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Sep 26, 2013 01:33
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Do the ICE books follow a common story or are they all self-contained? Just how much worse is the writing in them as well?
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Sep 26, 2013 11:26
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Scott Bakula posted:Do the ICE books follow a common story or are they all self-contained? Just how much worse is the writing in them as well? Don't read night of knives. Skip the entire Kiska storyline in Orb, Scepter, Throne. There are parts to skip in the others but I can't remember which part goes in which book. The writing isn't as good, but steadily improving. The last book he wrote about Kallor didn't make me think "Why am I reading this?" That being said: I have read every word of all of his books at least twice. I just can't get enough of this world.
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Sep 26, 2013 11:50
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Habibi posted:He didn't destroy a warren - the empire he destroyed was turned into a warren. And iirc the destruction was caused by activation of a KCCM device What's that?
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Sep 26, 2013 21:22
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Levitate posted:What's that?
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Sep 27, 2013 00:30
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Levitate posted:What's that? KCCM is Ke'Chain Che'malle but im interested in a source on that, up to tth on my reread and haven't caught that bit yet
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Sep 29, 2013 08:09
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Got it, wasn't familiar with the KCCM acronym
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Sep 29, 2013 23:51
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I prefer to call them keychain shemales
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Sep 30, 2013 01:46
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Dalmuti posted:I prefer to call them keychain shemales  Did we just become best friends?
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Sep 30, 2013 02:26
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I finished Crack'd Pot Trail. It had some really bizarre metacommentary on what it means to be a storyteller and of the entertainment industry's intrigue.
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Oct 1, 2013 03:16
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I keep meaning to say, the entire Azath house thing is clearly lifted from The Black Company, except it's a house instead of a tree.
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Oct 7, 2013 19:20
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Benson Cunningham posted:I keep meaning to say, the entire Azath house thing is clearly lifted from The Black Company, except it's a house instead of a tree. I'm pretty sure one of Cooks characters in the second series, forgot the name, was the inspiration for Kruppe. Hardly surprising with the influences, considering what Erikson have written about Cook.
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Oct 8, 2013 08:12
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Cardiac posted:I'm pretty sure one of Cooks characters in the second series, forgot the name, was the inspiration for Kruppe. Mocker, from Dread Empire. I read and loved the first Black Company series (It'd just been released as an omnibus, but the later ones weren't in print at the time, I need to pick up the second series omnibus), but couldn't get into Dread Empire.
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Oct 8, 2013 13:14
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I'm about 40% through Dust of Dreams now, and I can't for the life of me remember who Taxilian et al are. They are wandering around in a Keychain Shemale skykeep with some ghost, and his name seems familiar, but I can't remember who he is, or if I'm supposed to know who any of the other dudes are (Breath, some other losers I can't recall).
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Oct 9, 2013 08:34
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Masonity posted:Mocker, from Dread Empire. Yeah, Mocker it is of course. I was confusing Dread Empire with the second series of the Black Company Series. The second Black Company serie is by the way not as good as the first, although still enjoyable. Same thing with Dread Empire, good but hardly perfect. Although if you like Cook it's worth it.
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Oct 9, 2013 10:04
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gregarious Ted posted:I'm about 40% through Dust of Dreams now, and I can't for the life of me remember who Taxilian et al are. They are wandering around in a Keychain Shemale skykeep with some ghost, and his name seems familiar, but I can't remember who he is, or if I'm supposed to know who any of the other dudes are (Breath, some other losers I can't recall). Taxilian was on the slave ship that bought Karsa to Lethari. And I think maybe there is a ghost who is one of the bad Lethari guys who activated Icarum's device?
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Oct 9, 2013 10:16
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Masonity posted:Except that's wrong. But thats his point surely? They are indeed all 'A' listers, but we then find them all in the same simple marine squad along with Mallet who used to command a squad of healers and Trotts the Barghast chieftain. It doesn't really make any sense, particularly since they could easily have been wiped out in the tunnels under under Pale.
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Oct 9, 2013 20:36
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Ipshank was just revealed in Stonewielder and I can't help but think I've heard the name before. Can someone help me out? Was he mentioned in some of the other books?
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Oct 9, 2013 21:09
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He is in one of the chapter blurbs in one of the books iirc
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Oct 9, 2013 21:41
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He is in one of the chapter blurbs in one of the books iirc
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Oct 9, 2013 21:42
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bucketybuck posted:But thats his point surely? They are indeed all 'A' listers, but we then find them all in the same simple marine squad along with Mallet who used to command a squad of healers and Trotts the Barghast chieftain. It doesn't really make any sense, particularly since they could easily have been wiped out in the tunnels under under Pale. They were put together either to keep them safe or make it easier to eliminate them, depending which book you believe. Remember, when we meet the Bridgeburners we meet the elite few who survived the tunnels. The best of the best. They were all in semi exile, put somewhere they could do some good for Surly while staying out of politics. They were put together so that they could be placed somewhere that'd keep them safe until desperately needed, while still keeping them sharp. Or to outright kill them according to GOTM. Makes sense to me.
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Oct 9, 2013 21:51
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bigmcgaffney posted:He is in one of the chapter blurbs in one of the books iirc Memories of Ice posted:The Last Mortal Sword of Fener’s Reve was Fanald
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Oct 10, 2013 04:31
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Masonity posted:They were put together either to keep them safe or make it easier to eliminate them, depending which book you believe. Is there really something pointing to the fact that these particular Bridgeburners were put or made sure to be outside of the tunnels when they collapsed? If so I can't remember it. Also I don't think the people who survived were necessarily the best of the best by virtue of having managed to not been in the wrong place at the wrong time. When I read it it just seemed like dumb luck that they happened to be the ones who were outside when it all went down.
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Oct 10, 2013 11:57
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the least weasel posted:Is there really something pointing to the fact that these particular Bridgeburners were put or made sure to be outside of the tunnels when they collapsed? If so I can't remember it. Also I don't think the people who survived were necessarily the best of the best by virtue of having managed to not been in the wrong place at the wrong time. When I read it it just seemed like dumb luck that they happened to be the ones who were outside when it all went down. Unless I'm remembering it wrong, they were ALL in the tunnels when they collapsed. The survivors are the ones who dug their way out? And in a later book it's claimed they were put in there to keep them away from the fighting, to keep them safe for the Pannion Seer offensive.
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Mmh, perhaps you're right actually. I still find it kinda funny that the one squad happened to have all these A listers in it but maybe that too was for a reason. For me though it had the effect of leaving most of the rest of the Bridgeburners rather faceless. Apart from a handful of others like Spindle, Picker, Blend etc who had the benefit of some actual screen time I couldn't really picture the rest of the Bridgebunners as really as anything special, I guess partly because we're only told of the BBs exploits as a whole in flashbacks. They also kept saying how not a few of the Bridgeburners were in fact pretty horrible people but there's nothing that really shows it in the books.
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Oct 10, 2013 15:52
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One thing that I think is good and bad about Erickson's style is the lack of non-plot related filler. Even something innocuous as the Bridgeburners playing cards has some sort of prophetic tie-in, so it's kind of annoying that everything has to be "all business, all the time" instead of just dicking around and just showing personality. I think it's sort of the opposite of Wheel of Time. If I were to compare the two, it'd be a bit like the difference between Bleach and Ghost in the Shell. The former has a bunch of whacky filler at times, but also contrasts with more serious instances. The latter has an extremely well done world with its own crazy glossary of words and concepts, but the characters could use work beyond a few exceptions.
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Oct 10, 2013 18:11
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amuayse posted:One thing that I think is good and bad about Erickson's style is the lack of non-plot related filler. Even something innocuous as the Bridgeburners playing cards has some sort of prophetic tie-in, so it's kind of annoying that everything has to be "all business, all the time" instead of just dicking around and just showing personality. I think it's sort of the opposite of Wheel of Time. There's an awful lot of introspection about the pointlessness of existence that is extraneous to the plot and is what I consider to be filler for most characters (possibly excepting Duiker.) e: When things actually happen it's all plot relevant.
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Oct 10, 2013 18:40
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savinhill posted:I thought he probably commanded some wizards to do that type of stuff for him or to set up the ritual that allowed him to do it. I always just assumed the whole "blood of royalty" thing was plenty to let someone throw down a sick-rear end curse though - maybe I just grew up reading too much mythology. 
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The philosophizing seems a bit out of character at times, due to the fact that a lot of the characters seem much more educated about magic and philosophy than their age or occupation indicates.
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