Leelee posted:A question for people- who would you *want* to see returning to DAI as either a party member or cameo? Choose out of prior party members from the last two games, so no cheating and saying Sandal. Or do you already have your choice confirmed? I'd like to see my Warden and my Hawke make a cameo, but I expect that to be drat near impossible.
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I'm not gonna say poo poo about Sten because I thought he was the best companion in Origins even if he didn't have a specialization until 14. I imagine the Qunari government is upwardly mobile and him canonically helping the Warden end the Fifth Blight is definitely a resume landmark. I just think it's weird that they had to make him not have horns. Despite Bioware's tendency to do as little as possible and the pure amount of work they would have to do to accommodate for all the race/class/plot choices I really want to have the Warden be a companion (even temporarily) in Inquisition. steakmancer fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Oct 1, 2013 |
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HenessyHero posted:I'd like to see my Warden and my Hawke make a cameo, but I expect that to be drat near impossible. Hawke I imagine would be pretty easy to have make a reappearance, but anyone expecting to see their Warden again, it's either never happening or there will be liberties taken. Story wise: With Hawke, no matter what ending you gets he/she's alive and probably still on Thedas, the Warden though, you could be dead, alive but missing, queen of fereldan, wherever the eluvian Morrigan went into goes... among other possible fates I'm sure. Then there's the technical hurdles, like elves looking completely different since DA:O, the customization options changing between games, there being at least different 5 voice options for your Warden... Penakoto fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Oct 1, 2013 |
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Oct 1, 2013 06:32
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Arcsquad12 posted:Still, it's not like the proud warrior archetype who becomes the leader of his nation hasn't been done before. Except for Wrex, and Canderous (that one is Obsidian, but it still counts considering that Canderous was a Bioware creation). I mean, I thought that the Qunari were supposed to be sorted into their societal roles based on aptitude tests. How the hell does a Sten who was part of the Baresaad suddenly get promoted to one of the triumvirate that control the Qunari nation? Isn't he fixed to his position as Sten? Don't think to hard about the internal consistency of the Qunari. You'll give yourself an aneurysm.
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Oct 1, 2013 06:47
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Penakoto posted:Hawke I imagine would be pretty easy to have make a reappearance, but anyone expecting to see their Warden again, it's either never happening or there will be liberties taken. If they bring Hawke back, I don't think the Keep save import tool will be able to handle anything but the default Hawke; maybe they'd allow PC users to directly port their Hawke over, but I'm not one to hold my breath. Still, it would be kind of interesting in a secret cameo super-character kind of way, like with McDohl's return in Suikoden 2.
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Oct 1, 2013 07:23
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steakmancer posted:Yeah that's Bioware official canon, where Varris, Isabella and Alistair the king of loving Ferelden form the Justice League of Thedas and rescue Cailan Theirin's dad and ughghghghhgghghhg No it isn't, it's a hypothetical outcome, as they've said. There's no "official" warden or Hawke anywhere. It's not not a thing. You're as bad as the people who argue whether the "canon" Shepard is male or female. The only canon is the things that happen or are true in every playthrough (e.g. Petrice is killed by Qunari). Penakoto posted:Hawke I imagine would be pretty easy to have make a reappearance, but anyone expecting to see their Warden again, it's either never happening or there will be liberties taken. Your Warden will have taken a vow of silence and be dressed in a thick, enveloping suit of armor. Also s/he is asleep the entire time. Pick fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Oct 1, 2013 |
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Oct 1, 2013 07:37
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Boy I hope Laidlaw makes good on that threat to go explore other places unconnected to this current plotline by exploring Tevinter or something. I think their self-imposed burden of callbacks is going to kill us/them if it keeps up. Can you imagine being six or seven games in and importing a save that imports a save that imports a save that imports a save that imports a save?
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Oct 1, 2013 07:40
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Lotish posted:Boy I hope Laidlaw makes good on that threat to go explore other places unconnected to this current plotline by exploring Tevinter or something. I think their self-imposed burden of callbacks is going to kill us/them if it keeps up. Can you imagine being six or seven games in and importing a save that imports a save that imports a save that imports a save that imports a save? Imagine four player characters on the edge of a cliff.... Bioware works the same way.
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Oct 1, 2013 07:41
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Pick posted:No it isn't, it's a hypothetical outcome, as they've said. There's no "official" warden or Hawke anywhere. It's not not a thing. You're as bad as the people who argue whether the "canon" Shepard is male or female. Like when I chopped a certain someones head off and that certain someone was pretty much alright after that?
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Oct 1, 2013 07:54
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As far as warden cameos go, I'm not picky. During the inevitable big, sprawling battle sequence, I would be satisfied with a silhouette of figure leading a charge on the other side of the map, if for example you chose to remain with the greys and were a warrior/rogue, while the game does its best to wiggle its eyebrows at you. Just so I know my guy is still out there and tackling the big issues as always.
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Oct 1, 2013 07:57
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Pick posted:No it isn't, it's a hypothetical outcome, as they've said. There's no "official" warden or Hawke anywhere. It's not not a thing. You're as bad as the people who argue whether the "canon" Shepard is male or female. It's bad enough Gaider wrote this incredibly rote comic-plot arc and thought it was clever enough to put the Dragon Age Bioware seal of authenticity to any degree, whether or not he actually considers this specific storyline that directs the most important player choices in Origins 'canon' is irrelevant. That's some wild extrapolation if are trying to compare what I said to the binary gender of a character who was never developed in out of game media and the playable protagonist of a trilogy that is already over in relation to the actions and standings of nearly a dozen characters in an ongoing, multimedia series but clearly you're just trying to pick a fight over a loving video game series where phrases like 'Tranquil Solution' are uttered without a hint of irony and the comic relief character is the guy who blows up a church and starts a war.
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Oct 1, 2013 08:26
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Pick posted:The only canon is the things that happen or are true in every playthrough (e.g. Petrice is killed by Qunari).
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Oct 1, 2013 08:44
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Arcsquad12 posted:Still, it's not like the proud warrior archetype who becomes the leader of his nation hasn't been done before. Except for Wrex, and Canderous (that one is Obsidian, but it still counts considering that Canderous was a Bioware creation). I mean, I thought that the Qunari were supposed to be sorted into their societal roles based on aptitude tests. How the hell does a Sten who was part of the Baresaad suddenly get promoted to one of the triumvirate that control the Qunari nation? Isn't he fixed to his position as Sten? Apparently Sten is a high rank for Qunari and this particular one just got back from ending the shortest Blight on record (a threat most Qunari barely understood before). Given that they suddenly need a new Arishok, it's not too big a stretch to say that they'd look to somebody who showed that amount of skill for a promotion if they thought he was up to the job. Qunari are stuck in one profession for life, not one rank. If they have an opening, they'll look for the best candidate to fill it. If anything, their society would make their military (probably everything else as well, really) being a strict meritocracy more rational than any other military attempting the same. Not to say that it wasn't lazy for the writers to make the one Qunari we know the closest thing there is to a leader of his people, but it's not that illogical. The comic is dumb for a lot of reasons, that that one detail isn't any worse than, say, Wrex killing his way to being the most important krogan leader alive.
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Oct 1, 2013 12:58
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As logical as it sounds, personally, it comes off more as self-plagiarizing of known "cool BioWare moments" than finding a nice thematic way to use the character - despite how nice it would be to see Sten on the Qunari throne. Like I can see their writers thinking more of how people reacted to Wrex in ME2 than "So, where would old Sten be now".
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Oct 1, 2013 13:15
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Crabtree posted:As logical as it sounds, personally, it comes off more as self-plagiarizing of known "cool BioWare moments" than finding a nice thematic way to use the character - despite how nice it would be to see Sten on the Qunari throne. Like I can see their writers thinking more of how people reacted to Wrex in ME2 than "So, where would old Sten be now". It's like renegade vigilante Garrus suddenly being a high-ranked military advisor in ME3.
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Oct 1, 2013 13:34
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sassassin posted:It's like renegade vigilante Garrus suddenly being a high-ranked military advisor in ME3. It was more like "Oh God, we are getting our charred asses handed to us on a silver platter, we have no idea what we are doing. Hey, didn't that Garrus guy actually fight these things? On dozens of occasions? And SURVIVED? I wanted his rear end in here yesterday!"
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Doublehex posted:It was more like "Oh God, we are getting our charred asses handed to us on a silver platter, we have no idea what we are doing. Hey, didn't that Garrus guy actually fight these things? On dozens of occasions? And SURVIVED? I wanted his rear end in here yesterday!" Yeah, I'm assuming "taking down collectors and having previous galaxy saving experience also my dad knows the primarch" gets you boosted up the meritocracy pretty fast.
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Blue Raider posted:Has there been any mention of Kal-Sharok in the marketing? That's one of the few things I still find interesting about the setting, and it'd be (conceptually) cool to visit the place or get a bit more information on it. Nothing about Kal-Sharok, but I'm dying to hear more about it as well. The only things I read about it were in the World of Thedas book. I really hope they delve into it though- c'mon another Dwarven thaig that isn't Orzammar? I'd really prefer Nathaniel over Stroud as well. It's really lazy that they used the same voice actor for Riordan and Stroud. I guess all Orleasian Wardens sound the same.
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Well Sten fought all kinds of poo poo next to the Warden and came out on top, so why is it unrealistic for him to get that treatment but okay for all the bros in the ME games  Anyway, even if Sten being an Arishok is canon now, he's still just one of 3 leaders of the Qunari. quote:The Triumvirate, or "Salasari" in the Qunlat language, is the governing body of all of Qunari society. They are three individuals that represent a perfect trinity, a whole that the three complete. Arishok the body, Arigena the mind, and Ariqun the soul, are the three pillars of Qunari society. Now maybe we can interact with Sten and his triumvirate to recruit their warmachine for the inevitable big Bioware battle at the end of the game Zzulu fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Oct 1, 2013 |
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Oct 1, 2013 14:08
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Ekusukariba posted:That's actually choice related, she can live Wow, I didn't know that! In all my playthroughs, I've never done that because she's a loving jerk  .
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Oct 1, 2013 16:02
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Lotish posted:If they bring Hawke back, I don't think the Keep save import tool will be able to handle anything but the default Hawke; maybe they'd allow PC users to directly port their Hawke over, but I'm not one to hold my breath. Why would you think the Keep couldn't handle anything besides default Hawke? Do we know more about it other than it exists and is cross platform yet? From what I understand it's gonna be an official version of Gibbed's save editor, maybe mixed with the comic thing they made for Mass Effect. I don't know how that would limit you to default Hawke.
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Pick posted:Wow, I didn't know that! In all my playthroughs, I've never done that because she's a loving jerk You have to be an aggressive Hawke to save her, otherwise she's a goner.
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Doublehex posted:It was more like "Oh God, we are getting our charred asses handed to us on a silver platter, we have no idea what we are doing. Hey, didn't that Garrus guy actually fight these things? On dozens of occasions? And SURVIVED? I wanted his rear end in here yesterday!" It was the most pointless way to reinsert Garrus back into Shepard crew imaginable. You can justify it by jumping through hoops that make the universe look tiny, but a) his character arc wasn't leading him to rejoin the military b) he knew no more about 'fighting' reaper It affected the story in literally no way. At least Tali's return to the Flotilla served a purpose.
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sassassin posted:It affected the story in literally no way. At least Tali's return to the Flotilla served a purpose. Yeah but women thought he was cool and guys thought he was sexy, that's how it goes.
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sassassin posted:It was the most pointless way to reinsert Garrus back into Shepard crew imaginable. You can justify it by jumping through hoops that make the universe look tiny, but a) his character arc wasn't leading him to rejoin the military b) he knew no more about 'fighting' reaper To Bioware's credit Garrus actually talks about this. He was given a task force just to shut him up and keep the dude quiet - when the actual Reaper invasion happened, welp.
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Epi Lepi posted:Why would you think the Keep couldn't handle anything besides default Hawke? Do we know more about it other than it exists and is cross platform yet? From what I understand it's gonna be an official version of Gibbed's save editor, maybe mixed with the comic thing they made for Mass Effect. I don't know how that would limit you to default Hawke. By default Hawke I mean I don't expect them to put a character creator in the thing, especially for what may only be a cameo.
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I dunno, I liked the story of how Garrus ended up there. "Daaaaaaaaad, we need an anti-reaper task fooooooooooorce!" "Ugh, yeah, fine. Whatever. Here is a hundred space bucks, kid. Shut up." ~months pass, suddenly reapers~ "GARRUS GARRUS GARRUS GARRUS HELP HELP HELP"
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Internet Kraken posted:I still think "I guess this tranquil solution wasn't the holocaust you imagined" is the worst piece of writing I've ever seen from Bioware. Maybe I was just hallucinating and that line isn't real since I can't believe they could put something so loving stupid in their game. I just have to chime in and confirm this exists. Also I have to confirm the context. Remember how that one Templar was able to Tranquil a load of mages just to rape them and nobody cared at all except Anders? This is what follows that: * Sebastian: So your "Tranquil Solution" was hardly the holocaust you imagined. * Anders: You've been seeking revenge for the death of one family for as long as I've known you. * Anders: Are you honestly judging me for trying to save the lives of every mage in Thedas? * Sebastian: But they were never threatened. It was a single man's lunacy. * Sebastian: The Chantry would never follow through with such a thing. * Anders: Yet.
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I thought it was Fenris who said it but I'm probably wrong.
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I was going to say that I had no memory of that line happening, but that fits very well to it being Sebastian who said it, since I never played with that DLC.
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TheWorldIsSquare posted:I thought it was Fenris who said it but I'm probably wrong. I'm pretty sure Fenris says something similar.
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Midnight Voyager posted:* Sebastian: So your "Tranquil Solution" was hardly the holocaust you imagined. I had to Google that to be sure you weren't making that up. Holy poo poo. 
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It's also extra-terrible that they gloated about there being no Mage genocide that particular day because you'd just gotten finished killing a few dozen Templar running some kind of sexual abuse and intimidation ring. "Hah! See? No genocide! Just imprisonment and institutionalized abuse! Bet you feel pretty silly now, with your overreactions."
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Calling it now: Iron Bull is that Qunari mercenary you meet in DA2 act 1 who doesn't want to be a Tal-Vashoth anymore. Aveline shows up as a knight somewhere in Orlais. There will be a subplot involving Merill, Morrigan, and eluvians. The source of the fade rifts is the blood sluice machine/blood lake beneath Kirkwall channeling all the suffering and death in what was a pretty obvious attempt by the Tevinters to tear a hole in the veil... for reasons. Final mission sees the Inquisitor travel to Kirkwall to shut that poo poo down and repair the veil.
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COOKIEMONSTER posted:Calling it now: I think you are very wrong about Morrigan and the Eluvian. That Morrigan would return was one of the very first things we heard about DA:I, and considering the possible impact of DemonBaby, as well as the connection to the Fade that the Eluvian are said to have, I would be hugely surprised if they were not part of the main plot.
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COOKIEMONSTER posted:the blood sluice machine/blood lake beneath Kirkwall Is that an actual thing? I don't remember that.
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Darkrenown posted:Is that an actual thing? I don't remember that.
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Oh, I know about killing lots of slaves to thin the veil, but I don't get the impression there's a literal lake of blood below Kirkwall, just that a lot of blood was shed there in the past.
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Darkrenown posted:Oh, I know about killing lots of slaves to thin the veil, but I don't get the impression there's a literal lake of blood below Kirkwall, just that a lot of blood was shed there in the past. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. They could just be going a little over the top with imagery but: "Whole buildings were built upon lakes of blood. The sewers have grooves where blood would flow, all leading down. The scale is hard to fathom." Makes it sound like they were literally building giant storage pools of blood, big enough to be considered lakes; as some sort of giant mage power bank in preparation for a ridiculous super spell.
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The sewers of Kirkwall were literally built to channel the blood of thousands and, over time, hundreds of thosuands of slaves to fuel ungodly experiments deep beneath the City. None of that poo poo has been operational for centuries but the Enigma of Kirkwall strongly implies that something from beyond the Veil is lurking down there still.
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