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Oct 2, 2013 22:02
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BiggerBoat posted:So is "Slimdown" the new " Yeah, I know they've done it before numerous times, but this has just gotta be the ballsiest attempt ever.
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Oct 2, 2013 22:09
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Rush Limbaugh posted:... Jeez, touchy about the whole "white men run the GOP" accusation 
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Oct 2, 2013 22:14
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Monkey Fracas posted:
I know the term "cognitive dissonance" gets thrown around too much, and often incorrectly, but isn't this graphic a textbook example? They're literally trying to deal with holding two divergent opinions at the exact same time.
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Oct 2, 2013 22:18
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kik2dagroin posted:https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/10/02/shutdown_drive_by_media_misinforms_low_information_voters_emboldens_democrats Don't get too worked up there, Rush. You might suffer a severe myocardial infarction. And that would be terrible. It's Rush Limbaugh whining about something having a slight liberal spin put on it. He wants everyone to know that putting spin on things is his turf and he will snap at you if you step on his turf. Additionally he may have to go into surgery to close that nasty hypocrisy hole he just opened up on his head, that thing looks like it will require an extensive suture job and months to heal. Monkey Fracas fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Oct 2, 2013 |
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Oct 2, 2013 22:24
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Do they have some sort of Origin story for "Slimdown" or are they just nakedly trying to avoid the word itself? Do they put a little explanation in every story they run about it? My guess is since conservatives love the idea of smaller government they use that word to fit that idea and to make it sound positive in that way.
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Oct 2, 2013 22:29
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Just shows how disingenuous that entire movement is to it's core. I thought Ted Cruz was a modern American hero for tossing a monkey wrench into government to fight the Obamacare windmill? What? Now that everyone is looking at what you did you're not so chest thumpingly proud of it? I thought America was rallying behind you and on the march against Obamacare? If a slimdown is good why is a shutdown bad?
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Oct 2, 2013 22:38
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Monkey Fracas posted:Congress did try and squeak through some half-assed bills that would return funding to some of the more visible government agencies yesterday or today, the stated narrative may be taking this into account. I think that included a bill for the NIH cancer drug trials, which the GOP will be sure to use to say "the Democrats care more about burdening Americans with new regulations than they do little children!" They shouldn't be throwing this piece-meal poo poo together, but when their list of demands for a full bill is essentially the 2012 GOP platform, what can the Democrats do? And how can they show people what nonsense this is?
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Oct 2, 2013 22:53
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Nucleic Acids posted:What can the Democrats do? And how can they show people what nonsense this is? I've been pretty impressed with Obama's messaging on the matter. And it's not like people who are paying attention aren't seeing what nonsense it is, the polling is pretty clear. I credit that more to the obviousness of what's going on than Obama but he's not hurting matters so far like he did the last time he had to deal with this poo poo.
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Oct 2, 2013 23:06
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I've been pretty impressed with Obama's messaging on the matter. And it's not like people who are paying attention aren't seeing what nonsense it is, the polling is pretty clear. I credit that more to the obviousness of what's going on than Obama but he's not hurting matters so far like he did the last time he had to deal with this poo poo. He's doing what he needs to do, yeah. If he blinks on this one the legislative process is basically dead in the water.
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Oct 2, 2013 23:10
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I never thought I'd live to see it, but I think we are actually seeing the right wing message machine bump up against the limits of what it can do. These hostage taking over Obamacare scenarios, the shutdown and the debt limit, are so obviously unilateral GOP sore loser, knock the checkerboard and checkers off the table stuff, that no amount of bullshit can cover it up to the 65 percent or so of people with a tiny bit of sense any more. The attempts from Cruz and the GOP at large to blame the shutdown on Obama and the Democrats are literally in the territory of "black is white/up is down/we have always been at war with Eurasia/Eastasia" here and I really think and hope that America is just not having it any more. Sure there's 20 percent or more of the country that will sail right over the edge of the world with these fuckers but it's not 40 plus percent any more. "Slimdown" is just loving laughable. Obviously not all of the wingnut noise machine's numbers have been hits over the years, I don't think "homicide bomber" ever really took off, but to try this out at a time like this is just...  If I actually hear anyone say "slimdown" out loud while this is going on, I will laugh out loud.
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Oct 2, 2013 23:21
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On the topic of conservative comedians, what about Jeff Dunham? He was raised in a conservative background, and his puppets are pretty obvious racial/ethnic stereotypes, but I'll admit I still find him funny. Don't hurt me. I think it's because, as noted, he got into ventriloquism because he liked it and to make people laugh, not to push a conservative ideology. I'll admit I might be oblivious, but here's an example of a scene that made me laugh:Scene between Jeff, Peanut, and José posted:Jeff: Look, you're just gonna have to be nicer to José.
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Oct 2, 2013 23:24
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fade5 posted:On the topic of conservative comedians, what about Jeff Dunham? He was raised in a conservative background, and his puppets are pretty obvious racial/ethnic stereotypes, but I'll admit I still find him funny. Don't hurt me. I think it's because, as noted, he got into ventriloquism because he liked it and to make people laugh, not to push a conservative ideology. I'll admit I might be oblivious, but here's an example of a scene that made me laugh: I think you'll find a lot of people just don't find Jeff Dunham and his puppets as funny as you do. Although a lot of people do and have made him a wealthy dude.
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Oct 2, 2013 23:27
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Rhesus Pieces posted:I know the term "cognitive dissonance" gets thrown around too much, and often incorrectly, but isn't this graphic a textbook example? They're literally trying to deal with holding two divergent opinions at the exact same time. It's not the first time. They did it with the PPACA also. It was essentially Romney's plan, borrowed from the Heritage Foundation blueprint hatched way back in 1994 or so, but he had to somehow make into bad socialist communism during the election. More recently, they've similarly straddled this fence with the Syria chemical weapons strike, diplomatic talks with Iran and certainly with the debt ceiling, amongst a host of other things I'm probably forgetting off the top of my head. They don't know what they stand for beyond being against anything Obama proposes and, in a looser sense, "traditional American values", whatever the gently caress that means. It must be positively exhausting to be a Republican in this day and age. I'm exhausted just watching them do what they do and think the way they think, wondering how anyone could believe any of it.
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Oct 2, 2013 23:27
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fade5 posted:On the topic of conservative comedians, what about Jeff Dunham? He was raised in a conservative background, and his puppets are pretty obvious racial/ethnic stereotypes, but I'll admit I still find him funny. Don't hurt me. I think it's because, as noted, he got into ventriloquism because he liked it and to make people laugh, not to push a conservative ideology. I'll admit I might be oblivious, but here's an example of a scene that made me laugh: He's not awful per se, but he is sanitized, marketable, popular and makes unironic use of a bunch of outdated blatant racist stereotypes. All of these things on their own are sort of a kiss of death for a comedian's respectability, and he's got 'em all. I will say it is kinda fascinating to see a modern ventriloquist act achieve commercial success, though. The fact that he never pushes some conservative line during his acts really helps as well. And at least he's not Larry The Cable Guy. Perhaps I'm being contrarian here, but I don't think he's as bad as people make him out to be- he just kinda pales in comparison to like any other actual comedian for me, though. And that is enough words about racist puppetry.
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Oct 2, 2013 23:33
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Not that "the media" is doing a GREAT job, but I shudder to think what this could be like if we didn't have the 1995 precedent. Everyone rightly blamed the GOP for that (and the GOP didn't do the same type of dissembling it's doing now, probably because they didn't realize they were on the losing side until it was too late) and you can't make even a semi-coherent case for how this time things are LESS the GOP's fault, so they're hosed. In the Politico sense, I mean. In the real sense we all are.
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Oct 2, 2013 23:39
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pangstrom posted:Not that "the media" is doing a GREAT job, but I shudder to think what this could be like if we didn't have the 1995 precedent. Everyone rightly blamed the GOP for that (and the GOP didn't do the same type of dissembling it's doing now, probably because they didn't realize they were on the losing side until it was too late) and you can't make even a semi-coherent case for how this time things are LESS the GOP's fault, so they're hosed. In the Politico sense, I mean. In the real sense we all are. That's really what I don't understand, if nothing else they have to remember the 95 shutdown, see that it was better justified than this one and put two and two together. What exactly is in this for people like Cruz? He gets to become a big man in a wrecked party? He gets re-elected and loses the house?
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Oct 2, 2013 23:46
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Intel&Sebastian posted:That's really what I don't understand, if nothing else they have to remember the 95 shutdown, see that it was better justified than this one and put two and two together. What exactly is in this for people like Cruz? He gets to become a big man in a wrecked party? He gets re-elected and loses the house?
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Oct 2, 2013 23:47
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Nessus posted:It's a great setup for his Presidential campaign. Does he want to be president or does he want to win a primary? Because as far as I can tell the biggest beneficiary of this entire scenario would be his opponent in a general. If "I shutdown the government because of Obamacare" is still something to brag about in the GOP by 2016 they're already dead.
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Oct 3, 2013 00:04
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Nucleic Acids posted:I think that included a bill for the NIH cancer drug trials, which the GOP will be sure to use to say "the Democrats care more about burdening Americans with new regulations than they do little children!" I saw something on twitter earlier today along the lines of "if the GOP suddenly cares so much about cancer patients, why don't they support repealing the sequester and boosting the NIH's funding by 10%?"
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Oct 3, 2013 00:07
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E: Wrong thread.
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Oct 3, 2013 00:08
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Monkey Fracas posted:He's not awful per se, but he is sanitized, marketable, popular and makes unironic use of a bunch of outdated blatant racist stereotypes. All of these things on their own are sort of a kiss of death for a comedian's respectability, and he's got 'em all. I will say it is kinda fascinating to see a modern ventriloquist act achieve commercial success, though. The fact that he never pushes some conservative line during his acts really helps as well. And at least he's not Larry The Cable Guy. Perhaps I'm being contrarian here, but I don't think he's as bad as people make him out to be- he just kinda pales in comparison to like any other actual comedian for me, though. The only interesting thing about Dunham is his act is word for word the same was it was 25 years ago when he was starting out.
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Oct 3, 2013 00:18
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ReindeerF posted:Every time I see PJ O'Rourke on Real Time or something he is the most painfully unfunny person on the screen. Maybe he was funny when he was coked up, I managed to miss his books, can't say, but he's not mean unfunny now he's just unfunny period. Agreed. I always wondered how he managed to become Hunter S. Thompson's friend. Oh yeah. The cocaine. Intel&Sebastian posted:FOX news is so confused and desperate they can't even say the word. What word? "Shut down"?
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Oct 3, 2013 00:19
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comes along bort posted:The only interesting thing about Dunham is his act is word for word the same was it was 25 years ago when he was starting out. I remember watching a special of him when I was 8, and this is absolutely true. I think Achmed the dead terrorist is new, but he had a skeleton guy just like him but without a turban, he had the mexican puppet, he had the old guy, he had the guy who always says "on a stick: and they basically did the exact same routine.
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Oct 3, 2013 00:22
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BiggerBoat posted:Agreed. I always wondered how he managed to become Hunter S. Thompson's friend. Oh yeah. The cocaine. He's "cocktail party funny." That's about it.
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Oct 3, 2013 01:09
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BiggerBoat posted:What word? "Shut down"?   e: Can we include CNN in the right-wing media bubble now? This is their blurb for the shutdown talks falling through: quote:The GOP-led House pushed through piecemeal spending measures that would fund specific programs. Democrats reject the approach. Look at that poo poo and tell me it's not trying to polish the GOP turd. 
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Oct 3, 2013 02:22
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CNN also has this gem: Could Obamacare crash the system?quote:Lexington, Kentucky (CNN) -- Obamacare is expected to increase patient demand for medical services. Combine that with a worsening shortage of doctors, and next year you may have to wait a little longer to get a doctor's appointment. And the crowded emergency room may become even more so. I don't even know where to start with this poo poo
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Oct 3, 2013 02:47
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nachos posted:CNN also has this gem: Could Obamacare crash the system? I thought part of the point of Obamacare was that better preventative medicine would make emergency rooms less crowded...
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Oct 3, 2013 02:51
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:I thought part of the point of Obamacare was that better preventative medicine would make emergency rooms less crowded... I think the part the other poster was emphasizing was where the doctor seemed to find the situation of zillions of previously uninsured people overtaxing the health system worse than the prior situation where, presumably, these same people were dying quitely at home or in their gutters, or bankrupting their families, for lack of insurance.
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Oct 3, 2013 02:56
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Yeah CNN has been posting right wing headlines the last few days without end. Example: No end in sight to government shutdown after 'unproductive' White House meeting CNN The obvious implication being it is the white house's fault.
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Oct 3, 2013 03:03
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Zwabu posted:I think the part the other poster was emphasizing was where the doctor seemed to find the situation of zillions of previously uninsured people overtaxing the health system worse than the prior situation where, presumably, these same people were dying quitely at home or in their gutters, or bankrupting their families, for lack of insurance. A friend of mine is a surgical tech and, yeah, I've heard this argument.
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Oct 3, 2013 03:11
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John Nolte of breitbart.com had a pretty funny twitter tirade today after some journalists expressed doubt that Harry Reid wanted children to have cancer. https://twitter.com/NolteNC He's really mad at Dylan Byers at Politico and Chuck Todd. And Dave Weigel, but that's perennial.
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Oct 3, 2013 04:07
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Chernobyl Prize posted:John Nolte of breitbart.com had a pretty funny twitter tirade today after some journalists expressed doubt that Harry Reid wanted children to have cancer. Given Byers' habit of being a smug version of Politifact made flesh I was pleasantly surprised to see him not pedantically interpreting Reid's remarks and agreeing with his critics.
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Oct 3, 2013 04:12
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nachos posted:CNN also has this gem: Could Obamacare crash the system? Obama's secret team of ACORN hackers, diligently destroying the healthcare infrastructure as they institute Obamacare.
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Oct 3, 2013 05:12
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Gen. Ripper posted:It's SLIMDOWN you filthy libtard RINO commie socialist!!! CNN has been in the right-wing bubble of non-news for more than a little while now. I mean, yeah, hat's off to Fox News for Find/Replacing an AP Wire story; however, CNN might as well be airing South Park episodes nonstop because they're not only a joke, but the truth is obviously in the middle.
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Oct 3, 2013 06:19
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It's no longer a slimdown, it's now a partial shutdown or partial suspension of services. Wonder why? Ah. Trial balloon down in flames, I guess. Quickly! More hashtags!
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Oct 3, 2013 06:20
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:A friend of mine is a surgical tech and, yeah, I've heard this argument. I hate to say but I think America may have to re-examine their medical education system.
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Oct 3, 2013 06:28
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LP97S posted:I hate to say but I think America may have to re-examine their medical education system. She got it from the doctors. It's just so terribly sad that their objections boil down to "It'll be too much hard work!"
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Oct 3, 2013 06:44
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eviltastic posted:It's no longer a slimdown, it's now a partial shutdown or partial suspension of services. Wonder why? Weird why does it spike during Shep's show? Was he pushing the hashtag? That seems outside the scope of his show/sanity. e: wait that's some prick's radio show timeslot isn't it?
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Oct 3, 2013 06:47
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The "Barrycade" (or as someone said in one of the myriad running threads dedicated to all the current insanity, "Barack-ade," hell it could've been this one, they're all running together) rabbit hole deepens. http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/10/02/exclusive-judicial-watch-files-foia-for-information-related-to-closing-of-wwii-memorial/ quote:Government watchdog Judicial Watch has filed a Freedom of Information Act request to get to the bottom of the National Park Service’s actions at the World War II Memorial in Washington this week. The NPS has barricaded the memorial and on Tuesday tried to prevent veterans from visiting the memorial, which has no amenities and is normally open to the public at all times. So determined are they to find a scandal they can attach a "-gate" to, they've found an actual, literal gate. This is some ouroboros poo poo.
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