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Hey guys! Did you know that there is a Romanticism vs. Enlightenment page? Let's see what they got!Romantics Versus Enlightenment[/url posted:The message of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is decidedly romantic at first glance; emotions and friendship are important, and the Enlightened main character must learn that lesson repeatedly. However, it's not quite that simple; Twilight Sparkle's perspective is shown as having its flaws, but she's far from "always wrong," and her task-oriented character, intelligence and logical skills help save the day at least as often as they cause problems for her. The actual moral tends to be that the Enlightenment needs to give Romanticism its due, but that doesn't make it a bad thing. I too, think about a children's cartoon in relation to the philosophy of René Descartes. Also, Romanticism Versus Enlightenment posted:Currency: Some Romanticists claim that gold is a historically sound form of currency while many Enlightened see it as Worthless Yellow Rocks, preferring a fiat currency. Some Romanticists oppose all currency in general as dehumanizingly bureaucratic, elitist, and the root of all evil. They may instead prefer a group where necessities had to be shared for mutual survival, ala "Barter" or "Primitive communism". Some Enlightened oppose fiat currency and the Federal Reserve system in general, seeing it as nothing more than paper printed and falsely loaned away to unsuspecting people, causing inflation and making the people think they have to repay debt when there is nothing to repay. Some Enlightened prefer Communism, others opt for Energy-based currency because Equivalent Exchange cannot suffer inflation. Still other Enlightened people think that things such as class and currency are nothing more than necessary evils brought on by scarcity and hunger, that can be disposed off once technology and robotics become advanced enough to eliminate the need for labour.
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Thwack! posted:It has, thankfully, but I still was curious to see if there was even an article for that show. It's a slight learning show for preschoolers, why the hell would you document it? This seriously so bizarre. Someone with a brain watched this show for little kids and ran to their computer as soon as one of the characters wore a hat or whatever.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 17:21 |
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made of bees posted:No, see, Heisenberg's hat is a porkpie. Totally different from a fedora. Even Tropers get that Walter White's porkpie hat is supposed to be stupid-looking because it's a dorky middle-aged chemistry teacher dressing the way he thinks a badass crime lord would.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 20:34 |
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Count Chocula posted:Did anyone go through and mock The Whately Universe? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/WhateleyUniverse?from=Main.WhateleyUniverse Dunwich is in Massachusetts.
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Count Chocula posted:Did anyone go through and mock The Whately Universe? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/WhateleyUniverse?from=Main.WhateleyUniverse I think it was mocked a couple of threads ago, but I can barely remember it. Let's take a look. Trope Page posted:The Whateley Universe is a Web Original prose Shared Universe in a Superhero School scenario with elements of the Cthulhu Mythos added into it. It has sometimes been compared to Marvel Comics' X-Men (and was in fact inspired by an X-Men fanfic written by one of Whateley's many authors). This tells me nothing except that it's a series of fics based off of an X-Men fic. So it's an X-Men ripoff with the Cthulhu mythos in there for some reason? As AlbieQuirky already said, Dunwich isn't in New Hampshire and I can't find other examples of Lovecraf stuff from skimming, but whatever. Let's see what the Whateley FAQ says. FAQ posted:What the heck is this? Thanks, that's pretty loving vague. Not even saying that they're based off of an X-Men fic. But there's more... FAQ posted:During the course of their mutation or school experience, most of them will also have a TG (trans-gender) event that either changes the boys into girls, or girls into boys (although m2f is by far the most common). The changes are usually, but not always, permanent. ...W-what? Why? What the gently caress? I mean, I've seen this before a long time ago: usually in roleplays. Sex-swapping is a pretty common and wacky event, but not permanent, so I'm not sure why the gently caress it's here, and the FAQ isn't saying anything else, so I guess I'll look on the trope page again. (Also it's pretty telling to me that male to female sex-swapping is more common. This is starting to sound like The Wotch but with mutants.) Trope page posted:In one of many twists, between a sixth to a third of the students have a subconscious image of the form that their body ought to take, known as their Body Image Template (BIT). Mutants with a BIT generally gain either a physical or mental package of powers, frequently both. The physical package includes both beauty and brawn, the mental package includes major intelligence boosts as well as memory, etc. A BIT may change any aspect of a person's body, including their sex. In some cases the transformation may turn them into inhuman whatevers right out of a horror movie. That's more specific, I guess. So, you either become prettier, stronger, smarter, change your sex, change your species, etc. There's no clue how the hell this is supposed to work, but let me just dive in here and see if there's anything involving Transgender stuff. quote:Transgender: Everybody in Team Kimba and quite a number of other characters in their own stories. A uncommon (but apparently growing more common, see Lampshade Hanging above) side effect of the Exemplar power means you'll be changed whether you like it or not. quote:Transsexual: A number of Transgender characters qualify as this since they had felt as though they were the other gender to begin with before transforming. Jade is a more traditional example, being the only member of Team Kimba who has not physically transformed in any way and is searching for a way to become a "real" girl. ...Okay, so it seems like they file anyone involuntarily sex-swapped into "transgender", but then the next entry contradicts that. You know what? Let's just go with Involuntary Shapeshifting. What's happening with that? quote:Involuntary Shapeshifting: If...if it's their idealized versions of themselves, then why are they changed into the wrong sex or species? "They can't control their powers" is stupid since this is a subconscious thing anyway, isn't it? (Hint: it's because of creepy sex stuff, that's why) Okay, so was this an RP or not? FAQ posted:Did this start as some sort of Role Playing forum? So, they wanted to start an RP, failed, wanted to write comics, couldn't draw, wrote the stories of the "comics" instead. Fine, I guess. Those sound like the kind of people who would be attracted to TV Tropes, except they actually wrote out their stories, so good on them. FAQ posted:So if it's not an RPG, I can't make my own character? ...Fanfics. Based off of stories. Based off a fic based off of X-Men. Incredible. They have a forum. I doubt there's anything interesting, but it's still active if you can believe it. I was tempted to go through the stories but that's a lot, so maybe only one or two. I am not that dedicated and I'll probably regret reading a bunch of "OH NO NOW I HAVE TITTIES TEE HEE WOW" nonsense.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 00:09 |
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That reminds me of Misfile. It's been so long since I read it I can't remember if it was terrible or not.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 01:04 |
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WickedHate posted:That reminds me of Misfile. It's been so long since I read it I can't remember if it was terrible or not. Misfile is surprisingly good, actually. At least on the trans related things, at any rate. Nothing seems done for obvious sex appeal, unlike that weird-rear end x-man thing with the weird name that I'm not even gonna try and spell.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 01:31 |
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BaDandy posted:...W-what? Why? What the gently caress? I mean, I've seen this before a long time ago: usually in roleplays. Sex-swapping is a pretty common and wacky event, but not permanent, so I'm not sure why the gently caress it's here, and the FAQ isn't saying anything else, so I guess I'll look on the trope page again. Yeah, Tropers really do like their gender-swapping stuff. They've even got a whole index devoted to it here. The Iron Rose posted:Misfile is surprisingly good, actually. At least on the trans related things, at any rate. Nothing seems done for obvious sex appeal, Nah, Misfile is pretty bad when it comes to handling gender/trans issues. And it churns out fanservicey crap by the truckload.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 01:45 |
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DaveWoo posted:
Yeah, I remember the shower scene in particular. And the art is terrible. Naturally tropers love it.
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DaveWoo posted:Yeah, Tropers really do like their gender-swapping stuff. They've even got a whole index devoted to it here. I think the real question here is whether there's any sort of fetish pornography that Tropers won't endorse as meaningful, but I'm pretty sure that it's also one that need never be answered. :v Anyways, this seems skeevy beyond the usual: quote:Trans Nature It also is somewhat offensive, and well, stupid. We can just look through the examples and see this. quote:In the Isaac Asimov novella (and later film) The Bicentennial Man the robot "Andrew" desires to be human, so he gets various implants to change his robotic/positronic body & mind into biologic parts. When he finally becomes fully human he gets acknowledged as such by the government, and then dies of old age. The final clause was spoilered, of course, but really, for gently caress's sake. A story about what it means to be human is identical to what exactly? quote:In Reaper Man, the soon-to-be-dying wizard Windle Poons says at his Going-Away Party that he's considering being reincarnated as a woman. His colleagues are a little bit taken aback. Ah, yes, a dirty old man joke. I see. Moving down to webcomics, there are of course twenty or so examples for softcore fetish porn. I won't bother enumerating them. quote:In the Disney version of The Little Mermaid, Princess Ariel of the Mer-people have a fixation with humans, eventually falling in love with a human and becoming one herself. In this version of the story, humans and mer-people are portrayed as equal, so Ariel's transformation isn't about becoming better or worse. Tropers are basically unable to understand religious symbolism and metaphorical sexual angst. Understandable. But they can't even figure out metaphors for teenage wanderlust and leaving the home. Now, the moment you were all waiting for, which speaks entirely for itself: quote:There are several versions. For example, trans people are coercively assigned a certain gender at birth that does not match their real gendernote or are simply born in a gender that doesn't match them. There are also religious examples, mostly tied to belief in reincarnation — since men have higher social status, many Hindu and Buddhist women openly hope to be male in the next life, while still having an entirely female gender identity in this life.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 01:59 |
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DaveWoo posted:Nah, Misfile is pretty bad when it comes to handling gender/trans issues. And it churns out fanservicey crap by the truckload. There was some point where the original author gave up writing/drawing it and let one of their fans take over the official comic website and I think even got named the official continuance or sequel to the comic. And that fan did a ton of fanficcy stuff with it.
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Install Windows posted:There was some point where the original author gave up writing/drawing it and let one of their fans take over the official comic website and I think even got named the official continuance or sequel to the comic. And that fan did a ton of fanficcy stuff with it. That would explain why the art got a trillion times worse.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 02:04 |
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Misfile, like pretty much anything else that does the "person is stuck as the wrong gender but it's okay because eventually they learn to enjoy it anyhow" thing (which I'm sure is a trope, or more likely seven tropes), is almost by definition awful at handling trans issues.Analysis: Netorare posted:Why is the genre so unpopular? ...and for some a guilty pleasure? Whoever was saying that the Japanese words tropers use are all easy but embarrassing to translate is right - apparently "Netorare" means "cuckold". Somehow the question of why that might be considered gross or might not be super-popular is the thing tropers think is worthy of analysis. And they don't even manage to get it right - as creepy as otaku obsession with childlike (often far too literally) innocence is, I think there might be a more obvious reason why cuckold porn isn't very popular.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 02:06 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Misfile, like pretty much anything else that does the "person is stuck as the wrong gender but it's okay because eventually they learn to enjoy it anyhow" thing (which I'm sure is a trope, or more likely seven tropes), Three different tropes, to be exact.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Whoever was saying that the Japanese words tropers use are all easy but embarrassing to translate is right - apparently "Netorare" means "cuckold". Somehow the question of why that might be considered gross or might not be super-popular is the thing tropers think is worthy of analysis. And they don't even manage to get it right - as creepy as otaku obsession with childlike (often far too literally) innocence is, I think there might be a more obvious reason why cuckold porn isn't very popular. I think they mean unpopular in the sense that it gets a lot of vocal disapproval, and not that it's an uncommon fetish. Because as internet fetishes go, it's fairly common. Maybe not as inexplicably widespread as vore, but still.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 02:19 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Misfile, like pretty much anything else that does the "person is stuck as the wrong gender but it's okay because eventually they learn to enjoy it anyhow" thing (which I'm sure is a trope, or more likely seven tropes), is almost by definition awful at handling trans issues. I'm not a huge fan of the comic either, but I feel the need to correct you. It's not part of that "genre". The main character is still pretty definitely not okay with what happened to them, last I checked.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 02:20 |
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So the TV Tropes forum has a roleplaying section. But it isn't for discussing or playing Dungeons and Dragons, or something like that -- they just make up a story set in whatever universe they like, usually an anime. So the result is basically troper fiction, except the writing style and ability randomly changes from line to line, and everyone gets to be a Mary Sue. Also, there's a thread on the YuGiOh GX anime. quote:"Gladiator Beast Gyzarus Fusion Summoned!" (Gladiator Beast Gyzarus ATK: 2400) quote:The boy that had been pointed out by Blaine earlier decided to finally move from his perch, eyes fixed upon Kizuna as he took strides into the room, flicking his black Duel Gazer out of his pocket and setting it over his right eye. As soon as he reached Ulfric he quietly spoke to him, where the most attentive may catch a whiff of a muddy French accent. quote:As Marvin was walking around Slifer Dorm, he consulted his PDA. 227, hmm... And Coro Estesia? Name sounds... Full of destiny. Surely, this bright young chap would make an excellent hench— assistant. Marvin decided; he was taking this 'Coro' kid under his wing! Your name sounds full of destiny.
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DaveWoo posted:Three different tropes, to be exact. This is the number one reason I'm afraid of reading the Whateley stories. The second is bad or dated writing. I mean really. quote:Enter The Chaka Of all the fictional teenage girls you could have chosen to reference, and you pick Lizzie MacGwuire? Sensitive to gender issues! Really! posted:Fey I'm getting a headache. This isn't even me cherry-picking, these stories are all in a row and most of them sound like the wacky sitcom version of what happens with sex-swapping.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 02:33 |
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crowfeathers posted:Your name sounds full of destiny. Is "destiny" how you say "named by clueless middle-class white couple" in troperese?
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Share your first lines!quote:Inspired by this episode of Writing Excuses. Let's share the opening lines/paragraphs of our current project(s), so they may be judged with outstanding cruelty. Very first response: quote:Sorry, right now the first two paragraphs of my book are the best. Unless something changes, I'm not putting them out in public. Well, someone's pretty sure of themselves. Can't have anyone stealing that solid gold Troper-Grade writing, doubtlessly of the same caliber as stuff like this: quote:"Listen up, preach. I will literally crush your rear end into a cube if you don't scurry the gently caress off to whatever rock you skittered out under from right this instant. Don't believe me? I can do it. I can make you square. I have thirty pounds of good miracle lettuce hidden under this coat, it's five million loving degrees out, and, frankly, I wasn't in much of a mood to begin with." And of course:
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Tollymain posted:I'm not a huge fan of the comic either, but I feel the need to correct you. It's not part of that "genre". The main character is still pretty definitely not okay with what happened to them, last I checked. Yeah, I haven't read it in a long-rear end time (hasn't it been going for nearly 10 years now?) but the last time I read it it was still "gently caress this, I want my old body back." The fans, on the other hand, are loving terrible. Which is a tremendous surprise for absolutely nobody in this thread.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 03:22 |
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I could tear into this with critique, but "show don't tell, you incompetent shitstain" would cover most of the problems.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 03:23 |
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Yeah, I haven't read it in a long-rear end time (hasn't it been going for nearly 10 years now?) but the last time I read it it was still "gently caress this, I want my old body back." Eh, the comic pretty much abandons that concept after a certain point, so that the author can focus more on the stuff he's clearly more interested in, like cars and ~anime lesbians~. quote:The fans, on the other hand, are loving terrible. Which is a tremendous surprise for absolutely nobody in this thread. I suspect the comic has exactly the fanbase it deserves.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 03:34 |
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Asgerd posted:And of course:
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 03:34 |
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I want this book to become a massive bestseller hit, alongside such timeless classics as the Inheritance Cycle.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 03:42 |
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A wise man once said "All things must pass", which means that all things which occur must inevitably pass. Eventually, this thing will pass as all things must. Because after all, all things must pass.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I want this book to become a massive bestseller hit, alongside such timeless classics as the Inheritance Cycle. 50 Shades made it, so I guess anything can happen in the current publishing market. He'd actually have to have some idea of how to market a book though, and overall not be a worthless, gibbering pile of fat.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 03:51 |
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Am I the only one here who actually wants Major Tom to finish his magnum opus? I want Endless Conflict to be a complete, fully-formed work among such titans as Dragons: Lexicon Triumvirate and Maradonia and the Seven Bridges. Maybe the guy'll even vanity-publish it so I can have a copy of my own on my bookshelf. Is any of his writing actually available anywhere? I need to know more. CoolZidane posted:A wise man once said "All things must pass", which means that all things which occur must inevitably pass. Eventually, this thing will pass as all things must. Because after all, all things must pass. You need a few more "supposedly"s in there. For every thing passes in time, even supposedly this one, maybe, I think.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 03:52 |
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Flesnolk posted:50 Shades made it, so I guess anything can happen in the current publishing market. I kind of want him to finish writing it and get it published just to see what the general public thinks of it.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 04:06 |
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People will read any loving thing these days. I'm pretty sure the walking insult to David Bowie hasn't actually written anything other than what he's posted on the TVT forums though. Edit: Okay, who added the bit at the end? quote:In the year 2472, open war has begun between the forces of the Starlight Alliance and the Preyaran Daemonyte. As battles in space and on land erupt, the Cold War of the past centuries boils over in a grand struggle to end the Endless Conflict once and for all. (Appropriately, the last sentence links to something called Trope Overdosed, which seems to be when tropers have shoehorned a fuckload of tropes into something.) Flesnolk fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Oct 3, 2013 |
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Tropers don't just write fan fiction, they appreciate it. So of course this thread exists: fics so good that you don't need to be a fan. But what works could be worthy of such accolade? quote:I read From White to Black (a story in The Storm Dragons), even though I have never read or watched anything from the source works of the Inheritance Cycle. This tale is very violent, with a war where Anyone Can Die The Inheritance Cycle. At least that's one work that even terrible fan writers could probably outdo. quote:I'm going to recommend Reflections Lost On A Dark Road. The fic is actually a crossover between two fics, Dark Titans and The Road To Cydonia. Consequently, the fic was intentionally written so that readers don't have to be familiar with either of them to understand the story. That said, both stories involved are Ranma ½ crossovers, so while you don't have to be familiar with Teen Titans or X-COM (or Inuyasha, Black Lagoon, Green Lantern, or any of the other series that the fic makes crossovers with), a degree of familiarity with Ranma ½ is assumed. However, due to the divergences of each fic from canonical Ranma ½, Reflections Lost On A Dark Road manages to explain things well enough that even readers completely unfamiliar with Ranma ½ should be able to grasp what's going on. Phew. Thanks for that warning, I'd hate to have Inuyasha ruined for me. quote:Fidelity is a Generation Kill slash romance soulbond fic. I haven't seen any of Generation Kill but I like this fic as a romance. why
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 04:26 |
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Fuego Fish posted:I could tear into this with critique, but "show don't tell, you incompetent shitstain" would cover most of the problems. Washout Tom is a writer in the same way that he's a soldier.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 04:38 |
quote:There are several stories by this author, but this is among my favorites. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9285729/1/What-Were-You-Thinking It's a more serious look at Nickelodeon's Aaaah! Real Monsters and what drives people to commit Van Helsing Hate Crimes. There's plenty of Continuity Nods as well as Shout Outs to famous horror franchises, but I think it's enjoyable even if you're unfamiliar with the show. I, too, have always wondered why people would stake corpses that attack people and drink their blood or animals that attack and kill people. It seems just so unreasonable.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Washout Tom is a writer in the same way that he's a soldier. By TvTropes logic, all you need to be a writer is the ability to put words together into sentences. By the same logic, anyone who can hold a pencil is an artist, and anyone who can sit in the front seat of a car can drive.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 04:46 |
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Fuego Fish posted:By TvTropes logic, all you need to be a writer is the ability to put words together into sentences. Hey now, that's unfair. By TvTropes logic, all you need to be a writer is the ability to put Tropes together into sentences.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 04:56 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:I want this book to become a massive bestseller hit, alongside such timeless classics as the Inheritance Cycle. Flesnolk posted:50 Shades made it, so I guess anything can happen in the current publishing market. Smoking Crow posted:I kind of want him to finish writing it and get it published just to see what the general public thinks of it. Flesnolk posted:People will read any loving thing these days. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Oct 3, 2013 |
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DaveWoo posted:Hey now, that's unfair. By TvTropes logic, all you need to be a writer is the ability to put Tropes together into sentences. Badass Longcoat Harmless Freezing Camp Straight, Action Bomb Reality Bleed This Is No Time For Knitting. Black Widow Plotline Death Two For One Show? Real Robot Genre Villain-Based Franchise... Speed Echoes. "A triumph, eight stars and three thumbs up" - TvTropes.org "What in the poo poo" - New York Times
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 05:34 |
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A thousand page forum thread continuously posted in since 2011 about writing Pony fan fiction. What do they talk about? quote:the original idea was conceived when I started wondering what an actually effective system of government that allows for the autonomy of First Nations while still providing them with an amount of infrastructure and greater influence. quote:while I strongly disapprove of the morals both demonstrated and taught in the Bible, my approval or disapproval here is irrelevant, as I'm not here to judge them, neither by my standards nor by those of their era. quote:Congenitally needing to eat sapient beings is enough to justify a Guilt Free Extermination War, in my book. The only reason to compromise with something so hideous is impotence quote:That gigolo story is more and more awesome by the chapter. The clop is very rushed, though. Not that I mind; the characterization is gold.
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crowfeathers posted:That gigolo story is more and more awesome by the chapter. The clop is very rushed, though. Not that I mind; the characterization is gold. For a second I parsed that as "juggalo story" and I nearly shat my pants with terror.
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http://tradwiki.foxxtrot.net/index.php/FATAL_%26_Friends:_B-C#CthulhuTech_.28by_Ettin.29 A bunch of posters in Traditional Games mocked TVT favorite CthulhuTech, which is basically Pacifc Rim o Evangelion with lots of rape and fake 'edginess'.
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