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DrProsek posted:Also it kinda goes without saying that making "$_RELIGION land" a nation is just an awful idea for a country larger than one city. I'm sure there will be no problems for nonSunnis living in Sunnistan. Sunni-semi-shite-stan?
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PrinceRandom posted:I'm sure Sunnistan will be a very economically stable state, what with having the Syrian Desert and no Ports. And Saudi Arabia spilting up would be an even worse mess. The wahhabis of all people would never let mecca go
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The division of Saudi Arabia doesn't even begin to make sense. The borders just seem to be squiggled on and don't come close to following the borders of the "five regions which preceded the modern state". What those regions were is beyond me and the fact that the tribes in the area were either nomadic or Ottoman puppets is apparently ignored. All he seems to have done is give the religious sites (Mecca, Medina) to Western Arabia, all the oil to Eastern Arabia and the bulk of the water to Eastern Arabia and South Arabia. This will certainly solve their problems!
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Oct 3, 2013 02:59
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The way the captions are worded makes it look less like "I think this is a good idea!" and more "I think this could totally happen, guys". It's a different kind of dumb.
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Oct 3, 2013 03:38
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PrinceRandom posted:I'm sure Sunnistan will be a very economically stable state, what with having the Syrian Desert and no Ports. And Saudi Arabia spilting up would be an even worse mess. Look at Fezzan. I'm sure they'll do just fine with their portion of the Great Man-Made River.
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Robin Wright seems to be responsible for the map's "analysis."Peruser posted:North Arabia Or you could use real historical regions like Al-Hejaz, Nejd.
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Wouldn't "North Arabia" have a population of about 1 million, no oil, and no national identity separate from its neighbors? Is there any reason for it to be independent? e: Not that the rest of that map is any better.
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Verus posted:Even in crazy alternate timelines Eugene Debs can't win any electoral votes I guess if we're doing Alt History; Here's my favorite mapmaker's socialist Americas!   Edit: I really like the 2nd map as a RPG setting.
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jb7 posted:Look at Fezzan. I'm sure they'll do just fine with their portion of the Great Man-Made River. I only recognize one Fezzan.  
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kustomkarkommando posted:Someone over at the New York Times cracked out the marker pens and had a go at drawing some new borders for the Middle East. HRE fans rejoice, looks like Free Cities are going to make a comeback! hmm yes, that map has many good ideas. So many, it's inspired me, after an exhaustive minute of wikipedia research, to make my own map to solve similar dilemmas elsewhere in the world:  Now hear me out! Sure, there could be some short-term chaos with such a border change, but this could be a dynamic game-changer for just about everybody, potentially reconfiguring alliances, security challenges, trade and energy flows for much of the world, too. Just look at the last century of Europe's history-- the region has convulsed in some of the vilest, bloodiest wars in history, and has been subject to the arbitrary whims of great powers. The historic country of 'Germany' alone was carved up several ways in 1945, and even today new countries continue to bob up as others sink and disappear. A more unified region based upon historic religions and ethnic divisions, as outlined above, is a surefire way to promote stability in the region.
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kustomkarkommando posted:Someone over at the New York Times cracked out the marker pens and had a go at drawing some new borders for the Middle East. HRE fans rejoice, looks like Free Cities are going to make a comeback!
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Well nobody complained the last few times we did that. I see no reason for this to be anything less than totally successful.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Ofaloaf posted:hmm yes, that map has many good ideas. So many, it's inspired me, after an exhaustive minute of wikipedia research, to make my own map to solve similar dilemmas elsewhere in the world: Finally the inland sea of Tunisia becomes a reality!
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Ofaloaf posted:hmm yes, that map has many good ideas. So many, it's inspired me, after an exhaustive minute of wikipedia research, to make my own map to solve similar dilemmas elsewhere in the world:
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Bloodnose posted:You sure did put a lot of muslims in Orthodoxia. I'm sure it will all be settled easily, I hear Sunnistan is looking for immigrants.
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Tangentially related, I always found this map fascinating and wish we had more up to date data. 
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Emanuel Collective posted:Tangentially related, I always found this map fascinating and wish we had more up to date data. What's the pale yellow "Christian" denomination?
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Kurtofan posted:What's the pale yellow "Christian" denomination? Probably a catch-all for the remaining Christian dominations, but I'm fairly certain that the almost every yellow county has an evangelical christian majority
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What this tells me is the Anglicans need to stage a crusade to push back the heretic scum in... every single county? Edit: there are more MENNONITE areas than ANGLICANS? Good god. Archbishop Aerys II: "Burn them all."
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Emanuel Collective posted:Probably a catch-all for the remaining Christian dominations, but I'm fairly certain that the almost every yellow county has an evangelical christian majority Not majority, plurality. That's why Catholics win so often when they don't make up anywhere near a majority of American Christians. It's just that 'protestants' are so fragmented. 'Christian' probably refers to the denomination that is hilariously called Non-Denominational Christian. They are another evangelical group. Tons of them in Asia.
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Emanuel Collective posted:Tangentially related, I always found this map fascinating and wish we had more up to date data. Wow, U.S. has a lot more Catholics then I thought. I always thought that it was few million at best with lot of growth from new immigration, but drat. Largest religious denomination. That's actually pretty crazy how U.S. Catholics keep themselves quiet like that what with being nutty about religion standing as one of the first things someone thinks about United States. EDIT: Five seconds after writing this post I remember that a shitload of Irish went to U.S. and had a shitload of kids. Duhh 
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I imagine most of the blue areas still have a protestant majority, it's just split between several sects. The dots represent areas with an outright majority, and you'll notice there's relatively few of them in every region. Also, based on other maps people have posted, a lot of the blue area has a German plurality, especially in the midwest and northwest. made of bees fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Oct 3, 2013 |
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Emanuel Collective posted:Tangentially related, I always found this map fascinating and wish we had more up to date data. Here you go (click for larger).  The website it's from has a ton of different map options: http://www.rcms2010.org/maps2010.php Mu Cow fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Oct 3, 2013 |
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Mu Cow posted:Here you go (click for larger). 
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DarkCrawler posted:Wow, U.S. has a lot more Catholics then I thought. I always thought that it was few million at best with lot of growth from new immigration, but drat. Largest religious denomination. That's actually pretty crazy how U.S. Catholics keep themselves quiet like that what with being nutty about religion standing as one of the first things someone thinks about United States.
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Plus immigrants from Latin American countries, or descendents thereof, are mostly Catholic. I imagine we contribute quite a bit to that.
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Ofaloaf posted:hmm yes, that map has many good ideas. So many, it's inspired me, after an exhaustive minute of wikipedia research, to make my own map to solve similar dilemmas elsewhere in the world: It could totally happen, guys. I can't figure out if I live in Continental Protestant Commonwealth or Germanic Catholic Nomes. Mr. Belpit posted:Plus immigrants from Latin American countries, or descendents thereof, are mostly Catholic. I imagine we contribute quite a bit to that. It also looks like the Cajuns in southern Louisiana retained their religion despite being mostly Anglicized. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Oct 3, 2013 |
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I think the line is supposed to be Netherlands/Belgium border. Also I just noticed Ireland, 
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made of bees posted:I think the line is supposed to be Netherlands/Belgium border. His joke is that the border was drawn wrong, I think.
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In the same vein: (yellow=Catholic, purple=Protestant, blue=unaffiliated.) Keep in mind that this has already been strongly simplified; in some regions, you can still find nearly 100% Protestant villages neighbouring Catholic ones etc. Man, that would make for some pretty borders!  fake edit: Can you spot the former GDR? VitalSigns posted:This actually happened, briefly. I give you the Bavarian Soviet Republic! The best part is how the revolution began: the story is that King Ludwig III went for a stroll through the Englischer Garten as he did every day, when he met a couple of workers who told him "Your Majesty, go home - we've got a revolution!". Ludwig went home, saw that most of his personal detail had already vanished, left Munich and a couple of days later freed all Bavarian officials from their oath towards him so that the country could continue to function. Other fun stories from this weird revolution include the then mayor of Cologne Konrad Adenaur (he would later become Germany's first post-war chancellor) demanding that a train full of revolutionary soldiers towards Cologne would be stopped; the Imperial Rail Agency refused to do so, as keeping the schedule was more important than potentially delaying a revulution. When the soldiers arrived in Cologne, Adenaur received them politely, advised them to keep down the guns, made room for them in the city hall and ordered 300,000 litres of alcohol to be poured into the Rhine as a precaution. Duke Ernst August of Brunswick asked for half an hour to think, then signed his abdication and left the state, never to return. The King of Saxony received news of his deposition by phone; when asked whether he would abdicate willingly, he said: "Oh, well, I suppose I'd better." and (supposedly) left the country with an annoyed "Then do your stuff alone!"
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Phlegmish posted:It also looks like the Cajuns in southern Louisiana retained their religion despite being mostly Anglicized. Louisiana doesn't have counties it instead has Parishes, so yes. New Orleans Parish had the first African American Bishop in the United States in 1966 and I don't really think I need to elaborate for you to understand that was a total goddamn shitshow.
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Barudak posted:Louisiana doesn't have counties it instead has Parishes, so yes. New Orleans Parish had the first African American Bishop in the United States in 1966 and I don't really think I need to elaborate for you to understand that was a total goddamn shitshow. Well actually, could you elaborate? Religion in Europe:  A few things appear to be off, but it's reasonably accurate.
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Barudak posted:Louisiana doesn't have counties it instead has Parishes, so yes. New Orleans Parish had the first African American Bishop in the United States in 1966 and I don't really think I need to elaborate for you to understand that was a total goddamn shitshow. Orleans Parish. 
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Phlegmish posted:Well actually, could you elaborate? I'm guessing what they mean is "black man in a position of authority in the deep south in the 1960s" is all you need to know. quote:Religion in Europe: Interesting, I didn't realize the Kalmyks (I think that's who the Buddhists over in Russia are) never assimilated. Anyone know what that island of Western Christianity in the middle of Romania is all about?
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made of bees posted:Anyone know what that island of Western Christianity in the middle of Romania is all about? It lines up perfectly with the dense pocket of Hungarians living in Romania. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarians_in_Romania
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GreyjoyBastard posted:What this tells me is the Anglicans need to stage a crusade to push back the heretic scum in... There's some Anglican counties in South Dakota but I think that's it.
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Golbez posted:It lines up perfectly with the dense pocket of Hungarians living in Romania. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarians_in_Romania That's specifically the territory of the Szekelys, a sort of sub-ethnic group of Hungarians that's geographically pretty far removed from the rest of the Hungarians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szekelys On the topic of politically loaded maps, they used to have an autonomous region  There's still a fairly substantial autonomist movement in that part of Romania too.
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Phlegmish posted:Well actually, could you elaborate? Gonna hand you this handy copy someone in the picture thread already found for me.  Seriously, try to wrap your head around that sign. And I swear if any of you try to go "Well technically, Barudak, Healy was the first African American Bishop" I will respond to you that he lived life as an Irish American so Perry here is the first openly African American bishop. In the 1960s.
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made of bees posted:Interesting, I didn't realize the Kalmyks (I think that's who the Buddhists over in Russia are) never assimilated. Anyone know what that island of Western Christianity in the middle of Romania is all about? As the poster above me said it lines up perfectly with the Székely Land where the Székely hungarians live. Fun fact: Louis CK was born Louis Szekely and he simplified his surname so people know how to pronounce it. What is the pocket of Protestantism in Hungary? I also like that there is no hint of Orthodoxy in Croatia. Despite being thoroughly cleansed or forcibly converted, first in the 40s then in the 90s, there are still several municipalities with Serbian majority population which should be red. I notice the entirety of Sandžak is colored in green within Serbia despite only about 40% of the region being Muslim (being the majority religion in a similar percentage of land area) while the Montenegrin side of Sandžak is missing. The size of North Kosovo seems slightly understated with the Orthodox enclaves further south neatly ignored, the size of Muslim majority area around Preševo and Bujanovac on the other hand looks overstated. Northern Epirus is a nice touch but it's size is overstated. Finally the shape of catholic majority areas in Hungarian populated Vojvodina seems a bit off, however they missed the fact that a two municipalities actually have protestant majority mostly from the settled Slovaks. The demographic maps of Vojvodina are pretty wild and a lot of them can be seen in the wiki page I linked there. Unfortunately many of them are untranslated. Between Hungarians, Slovaks, Germans, Rusyns, Ukrainians, Romanians, Bunjevci and many others it gets complicated.
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