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Zzu
Jun 17, 2008
Random monitor question. I purchased a monitor from Walmart without thinking that my computer only takes SVGA and HDMI instead of VGA. Does a VGA to SVGA adapter exist or is it easier for me to just return it and purchase one with SVGA?

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butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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and the top ten juiced up players

Zzu posted:

Random monitor question. I purchased a monitor from Walmart without thinking that my computer only takes SVGA and HDMI instead of VGA. Does a VGA to SVGA adapter exist or is it easier for me to just return it and purchase one with SVGA?
Do you mean DVI? VGA is the blue trapezoid and DVI is the white rectangle. You can use an adapter to go from a DVI connector to a VGA connector if the DVI port puts out an analog signal in addition to the digital one. It's best to avoid using VGA if possible. Read the OP for more details.

Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip
I honestly wasn't aware they still make VGA only monitors.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:

You can use an adapter to go from a DVI connector to a VGA connector if the DVI port puts out an analog signal in addition to the digital one.

Why would you even do this? Maybe ten years ago, yeah, but VGA is drat near dead as is. An LCD monitor with no digital input is a manufacturing defect in my book.

Zzu said the monitor has HDMI-in. DVI* and HDMI are electrically compatible and DVI to HDMI cables cost nearly as little as straight HDMI cables on places like Monoprice.

*Single-link, anyway. Above-1200p displays not so much: DVI uses a second set of signal conductors while HDMI just fits more data onto the one set. Then there's DisplayPort. But for a monitor like Zzu described this really doesn't matter.

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Sep 27, 2013

Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip
He said his computer takes HDMI.

Whether or not that means what it sounds like is another matter.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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Sir Unimaginative posted:

Why would you even do this? Maybe ten years ago, yeah, but VGA is drat near dead as is.
I was using a 21" CRT in TYOOL 2012.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


And I have a PS2 hooked up to my TV. That doesn't really say anything about how relevant either a PS2 or a VGA port is.

Yip Yips posted:

He said his computer takes HDMI.

Whether or not that means what it sounds like is another matter.

When was the last time you didn't need a capture card for video-in on a PC?

Yes. I know he might merely have VGA and HDMI out on his PC.

If the monitor doesn't have digital-in, that poo poo's going back to Wal-Mart and getting them to take it back shouldn't even be much of an issue.

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Sep 27, 2013

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

top ten juiced up coaches
and the top ten juiced up players

Sir Unimaginative posted:

And I have a PS2 hooked up to my TV. That doesn't really say anything about how relevant either a PS2 or a VGA port is.
I guess you're right. Maybe I just wanted to brag about my CRT. It was made in 2001 but still had both DVI (analog only) and VGA connectors, so I guess VGA's been on the way out for quite a while. It makes me mad that the new ThinkPads coming out waste space with VGA ports but I guess ~*business*~.

Anyway I'm betting the guy was just confused about the connectors and I hope he comes back and tells us the rest of the story.

Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip

Sir Unimaginative posted:

And I have a PS2 hooked up to my TV. That doesn't really say anything about how relevant either a PS2 or a VGA port is.


When was the last time you didn't need a capture card for video-in on a PC?

Yes. I know he might merely have VGA and HDMI out on his PC.

If the monitor doesn't have digital-in, that poo poo's going back to Wal-Mart and getting them to take it back shouldn't even be much of an issue.

Judging by his post he's probably not 100% on the terminology. His "takes" reads as "supports" to me.

shrughes
Oct 11, 2008

(call/cc call/cc)
VGA is unnecessary because any reasonable CRT should support BNC cables :colbert:.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

shrughes posted:

VGA is unnecessary because any reasonable CRT should support BNC cables :colbert:.

Oh, and what does it terminate to at the other end, I wonder

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


HalloKitty posted:

Oh, and what does it terminate to at the other end, I wonder

Sun/SGI 13W3. :retrogames:

Ularg
Mar 2, 2010

Just tell me I'm exotic.
Is Backlight bleeding a legitimate thing to complain to your manufacturer about or is it just a way of life? It's pretty even on my monitor but when I'm playing something like The Last of Us and it gets dark but instead of it being black it's this weird shade of greyish white on my character and this fading white around the edges of the monitor it starts to bug me a bit. I'm still within my warranty but I don't know if it's even worth talking to ASUS about.

ASUS VG278, by the way.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


A known issue for most computer monitors (TN, like in most categories that aren't high-refresh or 3D, have it worst), but without photo or light meter evidence no one can tell if it's typical or excessive.

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Sep 29, 2013

Gnomedolf
Jun 9, 2013

Freelance Gynecologist
I think that my eyes are getting used to the 27" Asus. My eyes no longer hurt after using it. I used the settings and ICC profile for it from Tftcentral (27 brightness).

Nondescript Van
May 2, 2007

Gats N Party Hats :toot:
Ugh. Dell has delayed my order twice now. This is getting annoying. I just want 27" of sweet sweet pixels.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

top ten juiced up coaches
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U3014 for $950? Yes.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Nondescript Van posted:

Ugh. Dell has delayed my order twice now. This is getting annoying. I just want 27" of sweet sweet pixels.

Did you order 27s from the outlet? Mine got delayed too.

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Agh, sorry for neglecting this thread (maybe it's time for a reboot, dunno).

I just got in my Monoprice Zero-G 27" display...bought it for myself to use at work because it was cheap. Glossier than I expected, but for the price...no dead pixels, pretty meh stand (no height adjustment :argh:), and otherwise decent. Really wish it had DisplayPort though...Lenovo sucks horribly and the DVI ports on the docking station don't do dual-link.

I will say though, I took my existing 24" display from work (VG248) and turned it portrait mode side-by-side with the 27"...it definitely does have a slight shimmer/shift moving my head side-to-side, and 24" is almost a little too big for a vertical monitor IMO. I have a 2209WA at home in vertical mode; I think the perfect fit would be a 1920x1080/1200 23" monitor.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

movax posted:

Agh, sorry for neglecting this thread (maybe it's time for a reboot, dunno).

I just got in my Monoprice Zero-G 27" display...bought it for myself to use at work because it was cheap. Glossier than I expected, but for the price...no dead pixels, pretty meh stand (no height adjustment :argh:), and otherwise decent. Really wish it had DisplayPort though...Lenovo sucks horribly and the DVI ports on the docking station don't do dual-link.

I will say though, I took my existing 24" display from work (VG248) and turned it portrait mode side-by-side with the 27"...it definitely does have a slight shimmer/shift moving my head side-to-side, and 24" is almost a little too big for a vertical monitor IMO. I have a 2209WA at home in vertical mode; I think the perfect fit would be a 1920x1080/1200 23" monitor.

Same problem with the dell docking stations. They don't support dual link dvi, I'm actually using my personal active adapter to power the 30" HP I hijacked from our web guy when he got his new mac. Cool thing was I actually needed one with minidp and just ordered one of those to replace it for home :) Government spending at work.

Nondescript Van
May 2, 2007

Gats N Party Hats :toot:

veedubfreak posted:

Did you order 27s from the outlet? Mine got delayed too.

that's the one. Funny how it's in the territory of "if we delay further without telling you it's actually illegal."

Edit: seems I just got my shipping notification.

Nondescript Van fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Oct 3, 2013

streetlamp
May 7, 2007

Danny likes his party hat
He does not like his banana hat
I got my 23" from the outlet today and it's pretty sweet. It was delayed and then was supposed to be here on Friday but today is good too.

Dudebro
Jan 1, 2010
I :fap: TO UNDERAGE GYMNASTS
I got a Dell U2412M about a year ago and it's great. I had a second monitor which was an old-ish BenQ 24 inch and it was crap compared to the Dell. I finally got another U2412M and this one looks like crap. It's way brighter and the black is not black. There is an obvious difference side by side. I split a movie file between the two monitors and the faces are completely different colours/shades. Yes, I immediately matched the monitor settings to the first one right out of the box. The black levels are just not there.

Should I just do an RMA? I got it from B&H. So disappointed.

quaker69
Jul 3, 2004

Four measures of cheap Vodka combined with a bottle of Bawls
Lipstick Apathy
Don't worry with the rate people send monitors back for minor backlight bleed in this thread the outlet should be pretty well stocked

aerique
Jul 16, 2008
I read the OP and a few pages at the beginning and end but I did not see any conversations about people using their monitors as TV. Is there any reason not to do this besides monitors not having tuners?

I want to do this because (I think) I'd get a better display for the price and I want to skip all the SmartTV and other crap that comes with TVs these days and relegate it all to external equipment.

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.

aerique posted:

I read the OP and a few pages at the beginning and end but I did not see any conversations about people using their monitors as TV. Is there any reason not to do this besides monitors not having tuners?

I want to do this because (I think) I'd get a better display for the price and I want to skip all the SmartTV and other crap that comes with TVs these days and relegate it all to external equipment.

No reason you couldn't, in principle. We don't talk about using TVs as monitors or vice versa because generally it's not a great idea. TVs are meant for viewing chroma-subsampled video content from 6-10 feet away, and monitors for viewing bit-perfect images from 2-3 feet; they serve different purposes. But a few things to watch for:

1) Many monitors don't provide a way to get sound out of them unless they have crappy speakers, even if they have HDMI. Built-in monitor speakers are even worse than built-in TV speakers, generally.

2) Your tuner device will have to convert any interlaced material to 1080p for output, as monitor scalers may not take 1080i/480i inputs.

3) Your tuner device may not scale correctly for a 16:10 or 2560x (or really any non-1080p/720p) monitor, and may not be able to output to it at all.

4) PC monitors are smaller than TVs and not built with couch viewing in mind.

5) If you're going as far as hooking up a tuner to your PC monitor, you may as well just hook it up to your PC and take advantage of Windows Media Center or whatever's DVR capabilities. That is, make it an HTPC, which a bunch of people do talk about here and in Inspect Your Gadgets.

And you can just ignore the "smart TV" features if you want to and get the 50"-whatever TV for your couch.

aerique
Jul 16, 2008

Factory Factory posted:

No reason you couldn't, in principle. We don't talk about using TVs as monitors or vice versa because generally it's not a great idea. TVs are meant for viewing chroma-subsampled video content from 6-10 feet away, and monitors for viewing bit-perfect images from 2-3 feet; they serve different purposes. But a few things to watch for:
[...]
Alright, so there are significant differences. I actually did read about some of them but never put the pieces together so thanks for your extensive answer, I will be going for a TV then.

Also, I did check some of the other threads (and have got the XBMC one bookmarked) but those are mostly about either the software or hardware parts but not about the differences you pointed out above (at least, not in the OP).

Thanks again.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Dudebro posted:

I got a Dell U2412M about a year ago and it's great. I had a second monitor which was an old-ish BenQ 24 inch and it was crap compared to the Dell. I finally got another U2412M and this one looks like crap. It's way brighter and the black is not black. There is an obvious difference side by side. I split a movie file between the two monitors and the faces are completely different colours/shades. Yes, I immediately matched the monitor settings to the first one right out of the box. The black levels are just not there.

Should I just do an RMA? I got it from B&H. So disappointed.


Every panel varies a bit, especially given that your first one is a year older. Making the settings the same as the first one is not necessarily going to make it look identical to your first 2412..

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Nondescript Van posted:

that's the one. Funny how it's in the territory of "if we delay further without telling you it's actually illegal."

Edit: seems I just got my shipping notification.

Mine finally shipped out yesterday. Estimated to be here Tuesday. Annoys me though because I ordered the drat things last Friday in hopes of getting them for this weekend. Another week without glorious surround gaming.

Peever
Nov 14, 2004

This shit's chess, it ain't checkers! Shit. They build jails 'cause of me.
I'm looking to replace my old Samsung 25.5" LCD HDTV Monitor which has been my second screen since 2008. My primary screen is a Dell U2412M IPS and so I don't mind if the second screen is another TN panel because it will be mainly used for console games, and extra work space for non image quality work (spreadsheets, financial software, MS Office etc.).

Right now I'm looking at the BenQ XL2720T because it has two HDMI ports. It also has a headphone jack and since I do all my gaming using a set of Sennheiser HD555 I wouldn't have to buy a set of speakers to plug my headphones into for console games. Any thoughts or suggestions for a monitor that can handle two consoles with a headphone jack, and serve as extra pc screen real estate on occasion?

Saba
Jul 25, 2007

Nap Ghost

movax posted:

Agh, sorry for neglecting this thread (maybe it's time for a reboot, dunno).

I just got in my Monoprice Zero-G 27" display...bought it for myself to use at work because it was cheap. Glossier than I expected, but for the price...no dead pixels, pretty meh stand (no height adjustment :argh:), and otherwise decent. Really wish it had DisplayPort though...Lenovo sucks horribly and the DVI ports on the docking station don't do dual-link.

I will say though, I took my existing 24" display from work (VG248) and turned it portrait mode side-by-side with the 27"...it definitely does have a slight shimmer/shift moving my head side-to-side, and 24" is almost a little too big for a vertical monitor IMO. I have a 2209WA at home in vertical mode; I think the perfect fit would be a 1920x1080/1200 23" monitor.

Does yours still have the broken brightness control? I imagine it isn't as obvious in an office setting due to brighter overhead lighting. I've been thinking of using mine at work and picking up a different monitor for home.

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Saba posted:

Does yours still have the broken brightness control? I imagine it isn't as obvious in an office setting due to brighter overhead lighting. I've been thinking of using mine at work and picking up a different monitor for home.

Doesn't seem "broken" (I can adjust it OK); there definitely is more glare than I would like in an office with a single overhead fluorescent light. Thinking about switching lighting in that office to a floor lamp or something for some more diffuse lighting.

Nondescript Van
May 2, 2007

Gats N Party Hats :toot:

veedubfreak posted:

Mine finally shipped out yesterday. Estimated to be here Tuesday. Annoys me though because I ordered the drat things last Friday in hopes of getting them for this weekend. Another week without glorious surround gaming.

For some goddamn reason mine was delivered today even though the shipping estimate is for 10/9. Now I just wish I had a dual link cable.

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

:toot:
Hopped on this bandwagon, my 3008 has served faithfully for 5 years now, but it is past it's prime. I'm getting a little bit tired of the old "Crystaline" style AG coating, along with the whopping 160 watt heat output.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

movax posted:

I just got in my Monoprice Zero-G 27" display...bought it for myself to use at work because it was cheap. Glossier than I expected, but for the price...no dead pixels, pretty meh stand (no height adjustment :argh:), and otherwise decent. Really wish it had DisplayPort though...Lenovo sucks horribly and the DVI ports on the docking station don't do dual-link.

Would that monoprice be a suitable alternative to one of the 27" Korean monitors? For whatever reason they seem less intimidating, I like Monoprice and I know they have deals around the holidays.

Also would I have trouble running a 1440p monitor at native resolution with a 1gb radeon 7850? I'm not worried about games since I can turn settings down until I can also get a new card (I'm optimistic for the r9 280x) but I just want to make sure it can even do it at all, I couldn't find a supported resolution list online.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

movax posted:

Doesn't seem "broken" (I can adjust it OK); there definitely is more glare than I would like in an office with a single overhead fluorescent light. Thinking about switching lighting in that office to a floor lamp or something for some more diffuse lighting.
In the Anandtech review, they found that backlight brightness cannot be controlled and instead the controller just adjusts picture contrast. Monoprice said that was intended (as a cost-saving measure?), but maybe there's a new working version out.

Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

Ruin Completely posted:

Would that monoprice be a suitable alternative to one of the 27" Korean monitors? For whatever reason they seem less intimidating, I like Monoprice and I know they have deals around the holidays.

Also would I have trouble running a 1440p monitor at native resolution with a 1gb radeon 7850? I'm not worried about games since I can turn settings down until I can also get a new card (I'm optimistic for the r9 280x) but I just want to make sure it can even do it at all, I couldn't find a supported resolution list online.

A 7850 will definitely do 1400p with a dual link cable. You will have to turn settings down though.

quaker69
Jul 3, 2004

Four measures of cheap Vodka combined with a bottle of Bawls
Lipstick Apathy
Don't expect monoprice quality control to be any better than the eBay vendors. Half the poo poo I order from there I end up sending back. Even until just recently they used the same bezel as half the ones on eBay.

In my opinion either spring for a dell/Asus or get whatever eBay/micocenter wqhd monitor is trending cheapest because the in between models aren't worth it.

THE PWNER
Sep 7, 2006

by merry exmarx
Is there such a thing as a 120hz monitor with a lowish native res? Something like 1600x900?

I really want one but I also don't want to have to upgrade my card to ensure I actually get enough fps to take advantage of the refresh rate. But I also know that 120hz monitors are pretty niche enthusiast things right now so maybe it's chasing a rainbow.

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Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

THE PWNER posted:

Is there such a thing as a 120hz monitor with a lowish native res? Something like 1600x900?

I really want one but I also don't want to have to upgrade my card to ensure I actually get enough fps to take advantage of the refresh rate. But I also know that 120hz monitors are pretty niche enthusiast things right now so maybe it's chasing a rainbow.

If it is that niche, the price premium for a monitor that unusual would likely cost you as much/more than just buying a more common 1920x1080/1200 monitor and upgrading your card to one that can handle it (when factoring in the sale of your old one).

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