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Ulvirich posted:I'll see your Portugal island-city, and raise you a Hiawatthefuck polar island-hut. He's just taking Nimoy's intro to heart and he's building a civilization that will stand the test of time. Unfortunately he didn't get the memo that he should go to Alpha Centauri and not bottle up in a frozen hellhole.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I guess his logic was "This spot is perfect absolutely no one would want to take it from me" His logic was 'I am Hiawatha, massive shitbird, and my massive shitbirdiness must be spread as far cross the globe as absolutely possible'.
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Oct 7, 2013 05:22
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Gold is $13 on Steam for the next 12 hours. Thank gently caress I talked myself out of spending $50 on it the other day. Jesus Christ.
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Oct 7, 2013 06:49
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Don't ever pay full price for an older game from 2K Games under any circumstance. Because they discount them aggressively and often.
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Oct 7, 2013 07:07
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Ulvirich posted:I'll see your Portugal island-city, and raise you a Hiawatthefuck polar island-hut. I just noticed in this that besides this tiny backwater, he has an entire decent sized continent to himself with 3 extra cities, plus the main continent he seems to be on.
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Oct 7, 2013 07:39
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Stallion Cabana posted:I just noticed in this that besides this tiny backwater, he has an entire decent sized continent to himself with 3 extra cities, plus the main continent he seems to be on. Also the 2 large islands to his west, Hiawatha is such an rear end in a top hat.
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Oct 7, 2013 07:44
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He has at least fourteen cities on the visible map.
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Oct 7, 2013 07:53
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Hiawatha is one of the most loyal civs in the game, though. He's a great ally to have on another continent, so long as his shitbirdery keeps him occupied on the other side of the ocean from your borders.
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Oct 7, 2013 07:57
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The better question is why haven't you murdered the Iroquois already with both your brokenly powerful units?
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gggiiimmmppp posted:Hiawatha is one of the most loyal civs in the game, though. He's a great ally to have on another continent, so long as his shitbirdery keeps him occupied on the other side of the ocean from your borders. This makes it worse in some ways, though. When he starts pulling ahead (and he will), there's no way to stop him without bringing down most of the game's forces onto you.
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Oct 7, 2013 08:02
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Cleretic posted:This makes it worse in some ways, though. When he starts pulling ahead (and he will), there's no way to stop him without bringing down most of the game's forces onto you. Look at it as an opportunity to take land on his continent toward the ultimate goal of erasing him, through conquest of his enemies. If you've been bros for 1000 years and you want to war with him against his enemies, his loyalty makes him much more likely to give you a pass on being his new nextdoor neighbor with an army 2 tiles from the border, for a while, even if you're squatting in the land he coveted 1000 years ago that started the whole mess. Then he'll start asking you to go to war against new civs he hasn't hosed with yet, which sets the stage for you to backstab him with your new friends while he's entangled. This is in contast to a disloyal shitbird like Oda, who would have just backstabbed you the turn after the first war ended when he realized you were neighbors.
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Oct 7, 2013 08:38
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I've got this and its two xpacs, any of the small side DLC worth it? Yes im a fuckup who didn't buy the upgrade when he saw the first xpac cheap.  The OP gives a good feel but i figured i'd ask.
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Shadowmorn posted:I've got this and its two xpacs, any of the small side DLC worth it? Basically any of the civilizations not included with the retails and possibly the explorer's pack. The Cradle of Civilization maps are ok, but you can find user-made versions that are much better for free.
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Oct 7, 2013 09:35
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All the faction DLC is worth it. Babylon and Korea are really solid, and while Denmark is kind of underpowered, Harald Bluetooth is the only AI character I actually like working with.
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Oct 7, 2013 11:13
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I find myself always playing on Continents maps. I want a map that has enough water to not screw over sea-based civs but enough land to not make land units pointless. Earth maps seem kind of unbalanced - like it doesn't generate you a guaranteed decent capital site. I don't want to go all the way to the opposite extreme and play tournament style maps, though.
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Oct 7, 2013 11:58
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I like Fractal the best. I irrationally prefer coastal cities, and fractal tends to divide most of the map into discrete chunks with land-bridges, just easier to work with. I like Earth maps, but the RNG puts me in Africa in about 2/3 of cases, and the American Midwest the rest of the time.
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Oct 7, 2013 12:26
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Guys, the whole reason the Really Advanced Setup mod exists is so you never have to put up with Hiawatha's bullshit ever again.
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Oct 7, 2013 13:41
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Must say, I'm far less of a fan of seaside cities than I used to be. With sea tiles maxing out at 2 food, I'll only do it for resources. I wish you could build lighthouses and seaports in non-coastal cities.
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I think navies and sea trade routes are worth it, generally.
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Yeah, Iron Curtain powered sea internal trade routes are amazing.
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Krazyface posted:I like Fractal the best. I irrationally prefer coastal cities, and fractal tends to divide most of the map into discrete chunks with land-bridges, just easier to work with. I like Earth maps, but the RNG puts me in Africa in about 2/3 of cases, and the American Midwest the rest of the time. Then enable TSL in its map settings and choose a civ based on their RL world location?
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Krazyface posted:I like Fractal the best. I irrationally prefer coastal cities, and fractal tends to divide most of the map into discrete chunks with land-bridges, just easier to work with. I like Earth maps, but the RNG puts me in Africa in about 2/3 of cases, and the American Midwest the rest of the time. What's irrational about preferring cities with +3 hammers from Exploration, maintenance free internal connections and access to double yield trade routes?
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Oct 7, 2013 15:06
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I gotta ask, what is Hiawatha's shitbirdery? I've rarely had him in my games for some strange reason, but he's always been pretty inoffensive. Sweden and America are always the biggest dickheads in any game I play. Sweden is always  and America is always  but both of them do the same "I WILL EXPAND RIGHT IN YOUR FACE BUT MAY GOD HELP YOU IF YOU BUILD A SINGLE SETTLER" bullshit. They never actually attack you, they just extort the city states you're protecting, try to get embargoes placed on you and set up a huge line of troops on your border so you have to waste time and resources protecting yourself.
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Basically Hiawatha just loves to put cities everywhere he possibly can, even if it makes no sense. If there's an unfilled spot on the map he'll take it. Of course, this means he'll eventually run into horrible happiness problems, but that doesn't stop him from trying! It gets really annoying when he starts doing stuff like putting cities between your cities on your continent.
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Jedit posted:What's irrational about preferring cities with +3 hammers from Exploration, maintenance free internal connections and access to double yield trade routes? The weaknesses of coastal cities is that they have a bunch of ocean tiles that are arguably worse than tundra and are vulnerable to naval attacks that can be absolutely brutal. I like the tradeoffs between coastal and landlocked cities, there's a lot of situational benefits at play and there's no clear cut advantage to one or the other.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:I gotta ask, what is Hiawatha's shitbirdery? I've rarely had him in my games for some strange reason, but he's always been pretty inoffensive. He's got this supernatural ability to become a huge force in every game, no matter what. A big part of that is his AI's penchant for expansion; in any given game he'll just be throwing down cities left and right, wherever he can fit them, in probably the closest the game's AI gets to Infinite City Sprawl. This leads to him out-producing and out-teching almost every civ in the game. He's helped along by his UA that makes it actually pretty easy for him to do so, and his UU means he can withstand the growing pains of maintaining an army in the Swordsman->Musketman era, so there aren't really weak eras in his game. The worst part, though, is that he will do this literally no matter what. If the game pins him in such a way that he can't poo poo out a dozen cities, he'll somehow keep pace anyway. I don't even know how he does it, it's insane. The cherry on top for me is that he's just too loving nice to do anything about it anyway. His tendency to be everyone's BFF, and the resources he has to throw at city-states, means that any uprisings against him are rare and brief. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Oct 7, 2013 |
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Cleretic posted:He's got this supernatural ability to become a huge force in every game, no matter what. A big part of that is his AI's penchant for expansion; in any given game he'll just be throwing down cities left and right, wherever he can fit them, in probably the closest the game's AI gets to Infinite City Sprawl. This leads to him out-producing and out-teching almost every civ in the game. I've always had more problems with Alexander the Great. He'll do the same thing, making GBS threads out cities everywhere he can find a resource, but he's not afraid to gently caress anyone up with the million Hoplites it lets him make. He also ends up with about 150 influence with every city-state around him so he'll be rolling in happiness, culture, and faith and if he decides you need to die then you have the wrath of about a dozen city states pillaging your trade routes to deal with. If he had UUs that were worth a drat I'd probably just quit any time I saw him.
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In my experience Alexander usually gets killed around the midgame because he gets the entire world pissed off at him. Hiawatha, on the other hand, is *always* the runaway if he's in the game. It's really loving annoying and honestly an AI balance problem that should have received more attention. I simply refuse to allow him into the game anymore.
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I had (it's not done yet) probably the most frustrating game I've ever had, last night. I was playing Germany so I was using the new 'city state trade routes' thing. I was doing most of them by sea. I only had 3 cities because I didn't settle aggressively at the start, but berlin is currently at 36, thanks to dr. video games' growth strategy he posted earlier. My problem: that indonesian fuckhead is set up on the ocean between me and all city states. He also is allied with all city states. As soon as I get to full trade routes, he declares war and pillages all of them. This has set me back to the production stone age so many times, and made me unable to buy out the city states. he also has 180+ influence with all of them, AND wants to kill me. Thankfully, the moroccan guy was in between me and indonesia, and I have a defensive pact with morocco. I went to bed and I was so pissed off that I got back up, played the 20 more turns it took to make nukes, and nuked jakarta twice in one turn, putting it down to 7 population. I hope he enjoyed getting what he deserves. Also, nobody wanted to embargo him and I never have any gold due to the city states all declaring war on me so I couldn't diplo-bribe people or city states to get more influence than him. It's a tight race and everyone's around 1000 , I'm at 1500 or so and I think I may need to win this on a science victory. I have never felt so frustrated at a game before. Also, I only noticed at the end that you can build trade stations on jungle without killing the jungle. This will make me a better civ v player  Also, got my first win on king this weekend: rome cultural victory! edit: hiawatha is in this game and he's not doing very well, at all. I think he has around 600 ... strength? on the diplomacy menu. redreader fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Oct 7, 2013 |
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Was the ring world game I just played glitched or is it supposed to be the worst loving thing ever. I don't have any screenshots but every single hex was jungle unless it had like horses on it or something.
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I had a quick browse of the workshop and noticed some mods that might be of interest to the thread: Diplomacy Values: shows the number of jerkpoints for each modifier http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=169448644 [GK+BNW+Van] Never Become a Warmongerer: disables the warmonger diplohit for all players http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=109376170 Civ IV Diplomatic Features: This has been posted before, but it seems the creator has followed through on his ambitious promises and it contains a lot more stuff. Notably vassalage. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=141452526
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KKKlean Energy posted:Civ IV Diplomatic Features: This has been posted before, but it seems the creator has followed through on his ambitious promises and it contains a lot more stuff. Notably vassalage. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=141452526 I really want to use this mod, but something about it invariably crashes late in the game for me when I have it active.
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Comments section says that it's flat out not working at the moment so maybe a patch broke it. It's a shame too because I'm drooling over some of that.
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I installed the info<whatever it's called> plugin for BNW that people in this thread recommended. I can't tell if it's working, though. Where do I see this extra information? do I have to specifically turn it on somehow?
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Fojar38 posted:Comments section says that it's flat out not working at the moment so maybe a patch broke it. It's a shame too because I'm drooling over some of that. It has to keep pace with official patches because it uses a custom DLL.
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redreader posted:I installed the info<whatever it's called> plugin for BNW that people in this thread recommended. I can't tell if it's working, though. Where do I see this extra information? do I have to specifically turn it on somehow? You have to go into the mod menu, enable it, then start the game from there, not the main menu.
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Curiosity: I very rarely have problems during play, but for me the game invariably--100% of the time--crashes upon trying to quit the game, whether to desktop or just to the main menu. Has anyone else seen this?
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Eric the Mauve posted:Curiosity: I very rarely have problems during play, but for me the game invariably--100% of the time--crashes upon trying to quit the game, whether to desktop or just to the main menu. Has anyone else seen this? My machine hangs up when exiting many times as well. Plays fine though.
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Is it me, or are Great Engineers bugged now? I used one earlier that shaved the whole 2 turns off of a wonder, and the one I got from the tier 3 Order tenet (the revamped spaceship part thingy) would've added a whole 61 hammers.
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