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Someone wearing a Luton Town shirt should be booed wherever they are.
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Sep 25, 2013 16:30
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OwlFancier posted:I think with hipster pubs it's less classism and more that they have a randomized ruleset enforced daily, because hipsters. How much does a hipster weigh? An instagram. Why are farmers cooler than Hipsters? Farmers can go a day without their Pitchfork. Why do hipsters only use the microwave. They don’t like conventional ovens. If a hipster falls in the forest and nobody's around... does it make a sound? Yes, but you've probably never heard of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_5uVdy5YmA Fluo fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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Sep 25, 2013 16:46
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Bozza posted:The difference is between large groups of football fans together, and one bloke in a Luton Town shirt getting booted out of some hipster pub because "no football shirts". The first, I would agree with you, but the second is almost always classism. It's not always classism. I know of a few goth/rock pubs that have all sports colours banned. Possibly because they're not the washed-out faded black uniform to that particular subculture 
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Sep 25, 2013 17:17
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FreudianSlippers posted:Well Addidas founder Adolf Dassler was a Nazi. Although it should be noted that his brother Rudolf Dassler, who founded PUMA, was much more passionate about Nazism than Adolf ever was. The Dassler family have also done more to ruin world football (and the Olympics) than any other people on Earth, although that was continued by the French-Jewish Louis-Dreyfus family who took Adidas over in 2000, so we can't just blame the Nazis for that one. (Yes, that is Louis-Dreyfus as in the actress who played Elaine in Seinfeld - she's richer than either Jerry Seinfeld or Larry David, and would have been if she'd never seen a penny of that Seinfeld Money)
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Sep 25, 2013 17:23
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Given what a rip off football shirts are these days can the working classes even afford them??
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Sep 25, 2013 17:40
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Given what a rip off football shirts are these days can the working classes even afford them?? I went in JJB sports once and jesus christ that place is expensive. I can only assume chavs have to go to charity shops, but that begs the question of who buys the footie shirts and addidas trackie bottoms and big furry socks to tuck them into in the first place?
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Sep 25, 2013 17:43
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I think they somehow manage to work their doors and the complex art of walking and drag themselves to Sports Direct and buy them discounted.
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Sep 25, 2013 17:48
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glitchkrieg posted:It's not always classism. I know of a few goth/rock pubs that have all sports colours banned. Are you sure it's the sports and not the colours part that's the problem?
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Sep 25, 2013 18:10
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Puntification posted:Are you sure it's the sports and not the colours part that's the problem? 
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Sep 25, 2013 20:04
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Hashtag Nascar posted:Someone wearing a Luton Town shirt should be booed wherever they are. I find it quite hard to argue with that view. More seriously though, I understand why certain establishments may ban football shirts and I don't really have a problem with it. I do have issues with the hijacking of national emblems by far right wing groups that has, in certain instances, lead to such a stigma being attached to those emblems to people being afraid of being misconstrued as racist just because they are patriotic. I know it is not something that effects everybody and I appreciate that the media tend to twist these things out of all proportion, but I do think it is a problem.
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Sep 25, 2013 22:51
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Not quite, although in some places it was drat close, with some of them having >80% casualty rates. That's not quite true. By the time the Pals were at the Somme the proper regulars of the BEF had been all but wiped out. Indeed, the BEF as it refers to the regular army composed of soldiers recruited prior to the outbreak of hostilities (i.e. professionals) was finished by the end of the First Ypres in 1914. What happened at the Somme was that Regular divisions (mainly composed of post-1914 recruits) were supported by New Army and Territorial divisions (also mainly composed of post-1914 recruits). Besides which, the northern flank, at least in July 1916, was mainly Territorial divisions. Kitchener's New Army, of which the Pals were a component, were actually pretty well trained. That was the point. Sure some that turned up in the later months of 1914 weren't brilliantly trained compared to later recruits (and certainty compared to the Old Contemptibles), but that's because of opposition to Kitchener's plans and lack of officers and equipment in the autumn of 1914. The New Army was certainly generally better trained and commanded than the Territorials, which is why Kitchener insisted upon creating it. Anyway, the idea of recruiting from a particular area wasn't terrible (it's how the regular Army had been recruited for hundreds of years) it was just terrible on the scale of WWI recruitment. Besides which, while it was a scheme ran with by Kitchener but he, and by extension the Ministry of War, didn't originate it. You can place the blame at the feet of Henry Rawlinson, but given that he was commander of the Fourth Army at the Somme, it could be argued it was the least of his crimes.
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Sep 25, 2013 23:54
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Jokes in D&D? A likely story (thanks to a lack of sleep it only occurred to me after I clicked send I was making the exact same joke back to you but was too lazy to change my post).
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Sep 26, 2013 02:48
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Tommeh tried to intimidate Gary Moon (the person behind EDL News) by turning up to the wrong person's house and tweeting photos of a front door and someone's post.
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Oct 4, 2013 17:23
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onoflalks posted:Tommeh tried to intimidate Gary Moon (the person behind EDL News) by turning up to the wrong person's house and tweeting photos of a front door and someone's post. That's pretty much textbook intimidation. Why the gently caress would he do this on a public medium. It's practically demanding that the police arrest him.
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Oct 4, 2013 17:36
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That is incredibly obvious intimidation, but I'll admit I cracked a smile at him tweeting "look familiar" and someone's front door to the wrong person, because the follow-up tweet would have to just be "...no?"
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Oct 4, 2013 19:26
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onoflalks posted:Tommeh tried to intimidate Gary Moon (the person behind EDL News) by turning up to the wrong person's house and tweeting photos of a front door and someone's post. Ladies and gentlemen: The Master Race!
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Oct 4, 2013 23:16
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:Ladies and gentlemen: The Master Race! It's like some kind of edgy sketch show piece titled 'Idiot Hitler and the Drunken SS'.
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Oct 5, 2013 01:05
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Gonzo McFee posted:That's pretty much textbook intimidation. Why the gently caress would he do this on a public medium. It's practically demanding that the police arrest him. Also I'm pretty sure he shouldn't be stealing other people's post, especially if it's from the bank. He's a weapons grade fuckwit.
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Oct 5, 2013 03:09
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Pilchenstein posted:Also I'm pretty sure he shouldn't be stealing other people's post, especially if it's from the bank. He's a weapons grade fuckwit. Messing with someone else's mail is a major crime in the USA. Is the same true in the UK?
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Oct 5, 2013 19:58
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Oct 5, 2013 20:19
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Pekinduck posted:Messing with someone else's mail is a major crime in the USA. Is the same true in the UK? Yes.
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Oct 5, 2013 22:01
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Did real life reproduce the South Park NAMBLA joke? "We've been fighting those sick bastards for the rights to edl.com for years!"
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Oct 6, 2013 19:36
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"English Disco Lovers" is a Googlebombing campaign that took off earlier this year and briefly was the second result for "EDL" - this guy's probably deliberately using the term to pull it back into Google's rankings. e: oh he might be an EDL guy complaining about UAF holding an English Disco Lovers event.
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Oct 6, 2013 21:47
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Tesseraction posted:"English Disco Lovers" is a Googlebombing campaign that took off earlier this year and briefly was the second result for "EDL" - this guy's probably deliberately using the term to pull it back into Google's rankings. The English Disco Lovers are still going strong (and not UAF or SWP related as far as I know) and they are having a disco party. Casuals united, PR-geniuses that they are, decide to counter-protest a disco-night because it's hosted by people that don't like racists.
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Oct 7, 2013 00:50
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Since we're talking about English Disco Lovers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYPpbfs5Vn4 (1:56 is when it starts to go  )
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Oct 7, 2013 01:49
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Pekinduck posted:Messing with someone else's mail is a major crime in the USA. Is the same true in the UK? While it looks like blatant intimidation, unless he's stolen someone's mail or opened and read it without permission, then it's probably more down to various privacy issues (eg publishing someone's address online knowing that it could lead to violence against them/property).
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Oct 7, 2013 16:51
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Apparently it's all over. How will they fare without their Glorious Leader? http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/press-releases/quilliam-facilitates-tommy-robinson-leaving-the-english-defence-league/ e: their site is hosed under load so Quilliam Foundation posted:QUILLIAM FACILITATES TOMMY ROBINSON LEAVING THE ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE It could all just be bollox though fingers crossed it ain't Rude Dude With Tude fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Oct 8, 2013 |
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Oct 8, 2013 10:15
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Apparently it's all over. How will they fare without their Glorious Leader? Just saw Brown Moses tweeting about this, sounds insane. What is this quilliam foundation and how did they manage to convince Tommy Robinson of all people that right wing extremism and street violence aren't good? I thought those were his two favourite things? Either way I look forward to the EDL reaction.
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Oct 8, 2013 10:25
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marktheando posted:Just saw Brown Moses tweeting about this, sounds insane. What is this quilliam foundation and how did they manage to convince Tommy Robinson of all people that right wing extremism and street violence aren't good? I thought those were his two favourite things? The Quilliam Foundation are an anti-Islamist Muslim think-tank that advocate, among other things, spying on other Muslims whether they're suspected of a crime or not. Seems like they convinced Robinson that promoting racism from within the system is more effective than doing so from outside.
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Oct 8, 2013 10:46
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Darth Walrus posted:The Quilliam Foundation are an anti-Islamist Muslim think-tank that advocate, among other things, spying on other Muslims whether they're suspected of a crime or not. An anti-islamist muslim think tank? How does that work?
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Oct 8, 2013 11:00
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Zero Gravitas posted:An anti-islamist muslim think tank? How does that work? Anti-Islamist, not anti-Islam. But yeah I can see now why Tommy is involved with these guys.
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Oct 8, 2013 11:08
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Are you saying all Muslims are fundamentalists?
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Oct 8, 2013 11:11
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Welp,quote:English Defence League leader and founder Tommy Robinson has left the group, saying he has concerns over the "dangers of far-right extremism".
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Oct 8, 2013 11:20
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A Sloth posted:Are you saying all Muslims are fundamentalists? No, but Quilliam comes close to suggesting that. Apart from the McCarthy-esque witch-hunt they so enthusiastically support, they're anti-immigration, oppose multiculturalism, and have stated that Arabs are innately racist. Unsurprisingly, their biggest supporters are Michael Gove and Melanie Philips, and they get paid a not-inconsiderable amount by the government to endorse and promote their more xenophobic policies.
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Oct 8, 2013 11:23
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Darth Walrus posted:The Quilliam Foundation are an anti-Islamist Muslim think-tank that advocate, among other things, spying on other Muslims whether they're suspected of a crime or not. So basically he's turned into the way more effective terrible right wing?
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Oct 8, 2013 11:25
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Mind Loving Owl posted:So basically he's turned into the way more effective terrible right wing? And he's given his new friends in the way more effective terrible right-wing a big boost, yes.
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Oct 8, 2013 11:41
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Now the media can laud his brave step of being less openly fascist.
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Oct 8, 2013 11:45
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I'm not convinced associating with Tommy Robinson will be a PR coup in the short or long term.
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Oct 8, 2013 12:00
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Peel posted:I'm not convinced associating with Tommy Robinson will be a PR coup in the short or long term. Maybe in the short-term. Depends how long they can get him to keep up the "I've changed my ways! Look how tolerant I am now!" act.
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Oct 8, 2013 12:03
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Peel posted:I'm not convinced associating with Tommy Robinson will be a PR coup in the short or long term. It's certainly a PR coup for Robinson to be associated with more mainstream organisations, which is the more frightening thing
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