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GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

shoot the tuuuubes

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Proteus4994
Jan 2, 2001

Do not engage. Just tell me to go back to Kiwi Farms where I waste days upon days crying about how I wasted years upon years on SA. Did you know I was personally responsible for SA's rise in popularity in the 00's? It's true! Just come to the Farms and find out how! It's the trash kingdom I deserve.

Dead Inside Darwin posted:

excuse me i will beat you into the ground if you DARE insult my beloved sewer shark again

lol i loved sewer shark and night trap but those were probably the WORST offenders of "not a real game"

Adult Sword Owner
Jun 19, 2011

u deserve diploma for sublime comedy expertise
and if you say anything bad about night trap


i swear

Adult Sword Owner
Jun 19, 2011

u deserve diploma for sublime comedy expertise
oh no you did not

feel the gamers wrath!!!

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
i'll never forgive fmv for making GBS threads up ~mai konsoru waifu~ the 3do, if those companies had made literally anything else there might have been more than five decent games for it

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


dragons lair

as a childe i watched my dad play dragons lair.

now im gay for dark souls

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


THANKS DAD :rolleyes:

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
being gay for dark souls reminds me a lot of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU&t=1s

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...

syscall girl posted:

the hexxagon puzzle was the unbeatable one but you had the option to beat the game without finishing them all, which annoyed my 13 y/o completionist self to no end

huh? i don't recall that, I thought they were all pretty linearly arranged

there was the help book, which if you kept asking it how to beat the hexagon it would lower the AI for your next attempts

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Install Windows posted:

things might have gone differently if good quality video compression was available at the time and runnable on the various systems. because what we got out of it was typically under an hour of unique video if it was high quality or a few hours at low quality on each CD.

and since 90% of the game were relying on the video to hold your interest it was a killer

in addition to the limited cpu power for decompression, you also had to be able to stream the data off a CD-ROM

a typical CD-equipped computer at the time had a 2x pio-4 cd drive; something just a year or two older would have a proprietary matsushita or similar. no atapi dma magic to take load off the host cpu



so you had to fit your video inside of a totally unbuffered 150 kb/s stream that also took like 50% of the CPU cycles just to get the data off the disc

AtomD
May 3, 2009

Fun Shoe
i'm launching my kickstarter today:

a server + geyser combo
why you gotta spend all that money heatin up your water and then spend some more to cool down your server

welcome to the future: combination datacenter + hot spring resorts are just a decade away

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

AtomD posted:

i'm launching my bitcoinstarter today:

a mining rig + geyser combo
why you gotta spend all that money heatin up your water and then spend some more to cool down your miner

welcome to the future: combination bitcoins + hot spring resorts are just a decade away

Adult Sword Owner
Jun 19, 2011

u deserve diploma for sublime comedy expertise

AtomD posted:

i'm launching my kickstarter today:

a server + geyser combo
why you gotta spend all that money heatin up your water and then spend some more to cool down your server

welcome to the future: combination datacenter + hot spring resorts are just a decade away

this is literally how "free unlimited power" schemes are described



you have the hot server
you put water thru it
then you put the water in a turbine i guess and it makes power
then you use that power to power the server and pumps
FREE ENERGY

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

in addition to the limited cpu power for decompression, you also had to be able to stream the data off a CD-ROM

a typical CD-equipped computer at the time had a 2x pio-4 cd drive; something just a year or two older would have a proprietary matsushita or similar. no atapi dma magic to take load off the host cpu



so you had to fit your video inside of a totally unbuffered 150 kb/s stream that also took like 50% of the CPU cycles just to get the data off the disc

weren't most CD-ROMs back then SCSI even on the PC side of things?

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

~Coxy posted:

weren't most CD-ROMs back then SCSI even on the PC side of things?

my first cdrom wasnt a scsi, i think i bought it around 95-96

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

~Coxy posted:

weren't most CD-ROMs back then SCSI even on the PC side of things?

They were all over the place back then. You had IDE, Panasonic, Sony and SCSI connectors for CD ROM drives. I remember some Sound Blaster Pros/16s being massively long to cover all the connections back in the day.

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
i remember a cd drive that had a plastic caddy to hold the disc so you could get sickkkk speeds like 5x

Proteus4994
Jan 2, 2001

Do not engage. Just tell me to go back to Kiwi Farms where I waste days upon days crying about how I wasted years upon years on SA. Did you know I was personally responsible for SA's rise in popularity in the 00's? It's true! Just come to the Farms and find out how! It's the trash kingdom I deserve.

JawnV6 posted:

i remember a cd drive that had a plastic caddy to hold the disc so you could get sickkkk speeds like 5x

my first cd burner was like that

i thought it was soooo cool until i realized it was complete garbage

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

~Coxy posted:

weren't most CD-ROMs back then SCSI even on the PC side of things?

all the ones i ever had were ide

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

fritz posted:

all the ones i ever had were ide

i got my first one used in 95/96 from some skeevo who was talking about guys he knew who just got busted on charges of downloading child porn and how whats the big deal anyway

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

~Coxy posted:

weren't most CD-ROMs back then SCSI even on the PC side of things?

scsi cdroms were always rare and expensive. you found them on unix workstations and like $25k macintoshes and that's about it

really early PC CDROMs used proprietary busses. later ones used IDE/PIO or ATAPI. they still used SCSI-like commands, but they weren't SCSI electrically and didn't have SCSI-grade brains.

at no point was scsi like, a default choice, unless it was an external CD-ROM in an enclosure

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
PCs were always kind of a hack job

every kind of device had a SCSI spec to fit it: SCSI tape, SCSI floppy, SCSI CDROM, SCSI zip drives

and then every fuckin device type had some wretched hack to connect it to a PC on the cheap: tape drives hooked to floppy busses, CDROMs controlled by IDE/PIO, parallel zip

it's kinda weird to think there was a time when the interface card could cost you as much as the peripheral you plugged into it. USB and firewire and eSATA have spoiled us with cheap ports.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

JawnV6 posted:

i remember a cd drive that had a plastic caddy to hold the disc so you could get sickkkk speeds like 5x

caddys were not for speed. they were intended to be semi-permanent enclosures to protect the disc from handling. if you paid $300 for a CDROM encyclopedia, or $2k for a library database, you really wanted to protect the disc

notably audio CDs never had any kind of a caddy setup. nobody really worried about damaging a $20 audio CD while putting it into the transport

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

~Coxy posted:

weren't most CD-ROMs back then SCSI even on the PC side of things?

that was immaterial anyway, since no cd drives were going to exceed the throughput of even a slow connection method back then

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Install Windows posted:

that was immaterial anyway, since no cd drives were going to exceed the throughput of even a slow connection method back then

it was a really big deal for cpu usage and interrupt load. a pre-ATAPI, non-SCSI CD-ROM would just lock up your PC solid while the disc was being read.

...which is how we started this. FMV games had lovely video because they had to stream off the discs with terrible constraints

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

caddys were not for speed. they were intended to be semi-permanent enclosures to protect the disc from handling. if you paid $300 for a CDROM encyclopedia, or $2k for a library database, you really wanted to protect the disc

notably audio CDs never had any kind of a caddy setup. nobody really worried about damaging a $20 audio CD while putting it into the transport

the best solution for this, especially for public handling type situations (libraries, school computer labs, etc) that was better than caddies was those plextor i think pioneer actually 6 cd changers so you could just have a copy of a few encyclopedias and reference works on like 2 or 3 PCs then i recall generally seeig a couple machines with the same for kids games / educational poo poo on different PCs...

this thing:



lock it up in the desk enclosure and nobody had to do anything. massive storage for that day and age. i grew up in a rich area tho

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Sniep posted:

the best solution for this, especially for public handling type situations (libraries, school computer labs, etc) that was better than caddies was those plextor i think pioneer actually 6 cd changers so you could just have a copy of a few encyclopedias and reference works on like 2 or 3 PCs then i recall generally seeig a couple machines with the same for kids games / educational poo poo on different PCs...

this thing:



lock it up in the desk enclosure and nobody had to do anything. massive storage for that day and age. i grew up in a rich area tho

in jr high i vaguely remember towers of external CDROMs, such that there would be a separate drive for each disc, somehow tamper-resistant to prevent you from taking the disc. but that was a long time ago. i can't really picture it exactly

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

scsi cdroms were always rare and expensive. you found them on unix workstations and like $25k macintoshes and that's about it

really early PC CDROMs used proprietary busses. later ones used IDE/PIO or ATAPI. they still used SCSI-like commands, but they weren't SCSI electrically and didn't have SCSI-grade brains.

at no point was scsi like, a default choice, unless it was an external CD-ROM in an enclosure

hah even macs weren't that expensive but I get your point

I've seen a lot of soundblasters with SCSI ports but I'm guessing those were the middle-class choice

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

in jr high i vaguely remember towers of external CDROMs, such that there would be a separate drive for each disc, somehow tamper-resistant to prevent you from taking the disc. but that was a long time ago. i can't really picture it exactly

so basically the lovely improv version of the cdrom changer i posted. Although, the changer was dog slow. But it kept poo poo away from curious hands.

i also recall those same machines had the mouse ball lock plate glued down and thus the ball was so filthy you could barely use the machine

and nobody seemed to care except the kids trying to use it, the grownups running it were just like eh thats those computers for ya

Duscat
Jan 4, 2009
Fun Shoe

Sniep posted:

so basically the lovely improv version of the cdrom changer i posted. Although, the changer was dog slow. But it kept poo poo away from curious hands.

i also recall those same machines had the mouse ball lock plate glued down and thus the ball was so filthy you could barely use the machine

and nobody seemed to care except the kids trying to use it, the grownups running it were just like eh thats those computers for ya

are you loving kidding me

how in the gently caress could they expose mouse balls to loving underaged children, they'd get sued right back into the 1860s jesus christ

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Duscat posted:

are you loving kidding me

how in the gently caress could they expose mouse balls to loving underaged children, they'd get sued right back into the 1860s jesus christ

idk if your joking or not but you do recall that mouse balls were stolen as a prank like every single day if those plates weren't glued on, right

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast
you put a group of 12 year olds in a computer lab before htere was the internet (web) (thus they don't want to be there) and tell me how long it takes to disable all the computers cuz they have no mouse balls

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast
and how angry it makes hte teachers and librarians especially, - laffo city -

Duscat
Jan 4, 2009
Fun Shoe

Sniep posted:

idk if your joking or not but you do recall that mouse balls were stolen as a prank like every single day if those plates weren't glued on, right

ikd either, i mean how could that possibly be a joke when so many children are going unthought-of

Welcome to the spring home!

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

it was a really big deal for cpu usage and interrupt load. a pre-ATAPI, non-SCSI CD-ROM would just lock up your PC solid while the disc was being read.

...which is how we started this. FMV games had lovely video because they had to stream off the discs with terrible constraints

idk we had a special sound card cd rom drive and it didnt have any cpu hogging problems. some creative sound blaster combo thing.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Sniep posted:

you put a group of 12 year olds in a computer lab before htere was the internet (web) (thus they don't want to be there) and tell me how long it takes to disable all the computers cuz they have no mouse balls

i carried around an optical mouse around in middle/high school so i didn't have to deal with this

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Install Windows posted:

i carried around an optical mouse around in middle/high school so i didn't have to deal with this

lol ok

i just used the books and minimum effort to do the research until i handed in the homework i didnt finish days later

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Sniep posted:

lol ok

i just used the books and minimum effort to do the research until i handed in the homework i didnt finish days later

yeah but you're like 10 years older then me. we used computers a whole lot more

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast
fair

also you are right when i was in middle and high school we had lab time that was quite rare, using a computer wasn't a normal thing in the library, and was usually occupied by a class doing their computer time. i imagine that changed quickly.

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Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

quote:

mouse balls
someone post that pop-off/twist-off thing, i'm too lazy to do it myself

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