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Paper Mac posted:Is that a typical FoW list? 30 tanks to one side would leave absolutely no room for manuever or anything else on my table.. Tankovy companies can have 31 tanks, yeah. That being said, the thing that makes UAR lists that huge are the ultra-cheap t-34s. In exchange for a bit of a bulk discount on tanks, soviets(and the UAR by extension) get some negative rules on their tanks that make them kinda boring to play imo.
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Paper Mac posted:Is that a typical FoW list? 30 tanks to one side would leave absolutely no room for manuever or anything else on my table.. That's how everyone plays Soviet tank lists. It's the way it's done, son!
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So a week ago I asked about Vassal. Is that verboten or does no one know anything about it?
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Forums Terrorist posted:So a week ago I asked about Vassal. Is that verboten or does no one know anything about it? I didn't know there was even a functional vassal module. The problem is that there's just a ton of art that would need to be made.
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Yeah, after I posted that I searched a bit and found not one but two sites where people were making FoW modules. Unfortunately, they're both dormant. I guess i could try with rectangles with 'SHERMAN' and 'TIGER' labelled on them.  Thanks anyway.
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Paper Mac posted:Is that a typical FoW list? 30 tanks to one side would leave absolutely no room for manuever or anything else on my table.. Typical table size should be 4'x6', which is what we played on. Generally enough room for 30 tanks. Normally we play on a 4'x8' at the LGS. However, I will caveat that this supplement feels like it should be played at lower point games than typical FoW. Like, WWII, small game would be 500-750, "typical" game should be 1250-1500, with a "large" game around 2000 (we often play 2v2 with 3000 points a side, or 1500 points a player). These lists seem to start running out of room at 1500, so I would probably say knock off 500 points of what you'd normally play in FoW, and that's what you should run in AIW. Also, we had delayed reserves, so my opponent didn't have to worry about having all 33 vehicles on the board at the same time.
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Forums Terrorist posted:So a week ago I asked about Vassal. Is that verboten or does no one know anything about it? Honestly a huge part of the appeal of the historical miniatures hobby is the sight of the cool looking painted minis arrayed on an equally cool looking table. Add to that the sense of pride that you get from putting out your own lovingly painted figures and the enjoyment of friendly in-person social interaction with a like minded fellow. In comparison clicking transparent rectangles around a screen while communicating with someone else via text and you have what would seem to be a very dull experience. So I'm guessing that is why you don't hear more clamor for a Vassal version of FoW.
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YF19pilot posted:Typical table size should be 4'x6', which is what we played on. Generally enough room for 30 tanks. Normally we play on a 4'x8' at the LGS. However, I will caveat that this supplement feels like it should be played at lower point games than typical FoW. Like, WWII, small game would be 500-750, "typical" game should be 1250-1500, with a "large" game around 2000 (we often play 2v2 with 3000 points a side, or 1500 points a player). I played a game at 1250 (this time as UAR against Israeli) taking mostly T-54's and SU-100's. We played on a map that was on the light side of what we normally use for WWII stuff on purpose, roughly about 1.5x as dense as your typical battlefront table. I can only conclude the following: The UAR looks like its going to be competitive despite hen and chicks simply because you can fit in 4x as many tanks as anybody else at any points level. But at the moment nobody I know is rushing out to buy them for the following reasons. 1) Hen and chicks, I know I and others harp on this all the time but goddamn hen and chicks sucks rear end and makes playing tanks just not fun. 2) Unless you are playing on a battlefront table (IE, little to none LOS blocking terrain) Terran is going to bottle neck your tanks so that (if the Israeli player is smart) most of your army will not be able to draw LOS. 3) The above is killer because AT BEST you are going to need a 5 to hit his vet tanks but usually a 6, so with ROF 1 tanks you are going to need as many tanks as possible firing every turn to get many one or two hits every turn. If you can't do that then the Israeli player is going to win unless he is rolling god-awful. So In my game I was simply doubling my tanks through these choke points in full view of the Israeli player (and hoping to get a few bounces with my high armor) simply so that next turn I could have more than 5 tanks with unblocked LOS ether from terrain or friendly tanks. My whole army was gutted (had two seriously under-strength platoons left but was still in the game thanks to pure luck on my motivation rolls) but I eventually forced a company check on the Israeli who luckily (for me) rolled snake eyes. On the points levels for games, I think 1250 is the upper limit for FoaN. I shudder to think about the guys who are wanting to play 2000point battles with this.
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This weekend my club hosted a refight of Leipzig. It was big. I commanded the 1st Prussian Corp. We did well. The Russians in the north not so. In the south the French broke through on the left but we smashed them on the right.               
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While I love Lasalle as a ruleset. Blackpowder is the only ruleset we have found which can handle the size without bogging down.
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Numlock posted:1) Hen and chicks, I know I and others harp on this all the time but goddamn hen and chicks sucks rear end and makes playing tanks just not fun. Sounds about right. I pretty much abused cover, keeping my tanks hulled down on hills, or hiding in wreckage. We had mostly hills, with two pieces of 'intervening' terrain. A bit 'flatter' than our normal fare, but not quite this sparse. Now I'm more curious how the Jordanians will play. Will have to give them a go sometime soon.
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LintMan posted:While I love Lasalle as a ruleset. Blackpowder is the only ruleset we have found which can handle the size without bogging down. Yeah that's what I guessed you might say. Personally I like Blackpowder a lot for its speed and ease of play and the fact it makes multiplayer games so easy to do.
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Since the creation of the OP, have there been any developments in 6mm "dark age" minis, or is Baccus still the go-to for tiny Vikings and Saxons? And if Baccus is the best, where is the best (cheapest) place to buy them if I live in the US?
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I feel the same way about hen and chicks. I really like T-34s and thought I'd jump straight in to Tankovy. It's pretty boring to play unfortunately, and that really killed my enthusiasm. I've got them shelved, and I'm waiting for the battle of Berlin book that's rumored to be in the works. Hopefully, we'll be able to get C/T and F/T T-34s without hen and chicks. I don't expect we'll see veteran Soviet armor, but hopefully the end of the war stuff won't just be cut and pasted Red Bear material.
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Oh god I just ordered British Colonial and Zulu army packs from Baccus and it's sinking in just how many little men will turn up.
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Just think of each base of figures as a single 28mm figure. The Zulus will be a doddle to paint. Brown undercoat spray, dry brush light brown, pick out main details such as loincloth, shield and weapons and then wash or dip. Dead easy.
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Sixty! We painted at least 60, wouldn't you say? That leaves only 3,940.
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Colonial Air Force posted:Sixty! We painted at least 60, wouldn't you say? I paint my 6mm in batches of 200-400. Takes forever, but give results.
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Indolent Bastard posted:Since the creation of the OP, have there been any developments in 6mm "dark age" minis, or is Baccus still the go-to for tiny Vikings and Saxons? And if Baccus is the best, where is the best (cheapest) place to buy them if I live in the US? You can get Baccus at Scale Creep Miniatures, but they up the retail price. It's actually cheaper to order directly from Baccus6mm. Got my order fairly quick and he was great to work with (let's you fudge the number of command bases if you need to , etc).
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Definitely order direct. Pete is one of the best. If you email him what you need he can make you up any ratio of stands you need.
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Serotonin posted:Definitely order direct. Pete is one of the best. If you email him what you need he can make you up any ratio of stands you need. Unfortunately it's all a bit delayed at the moment because he's sick 
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Colonial Air Force posted:Sixty! We painted at least 60, wouldn't you say? I appreciate the joke though.....
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humannature posted:I feel the same way about hen and chicks. I really like T-34s and thought I'd jump straight in to Tankovy. It's pretty boring to play unfortunately, and that really killed my enthusiasm. I've got them shelved, and I'm waiting for the battle of Berlin book that's rumored to be in the works. Hopefully, we'll be able to get C/T and F/T T-34s without hen and chicks. I don't expect we'll see veteran Soviet armor, but hopefully the end of the war stuff won't just be cut and pasted Red Bear material. Unfortunately Hen and Chicks is here to stay, WI had an AAR for a new(old) mission in WI and while they didn't state it explicitly, they were using lists out of the new East Front Book. Russians still had Hen and Chicks but the discount they got was steeper, so that's an improvement at least. I don't think that is going to save them though, even if they reduce the points cost to make them competitive, hen and chicks is still a rule that makes them not fun to play.
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Serotonin posted:Definitely order direct. Pete is one of the best. If you email him what you need he can make you up any ratio of stands you need. Within limits. I asked about getting smaller lots of minis and he said that the packs are sold the way they are because each mold has that many minis in it, so to add or remove minis is a losing proposition for him as it means shorting other lots or spinning up a mold for a few of the minis it is intended to make (spinning being the most expensive part of the process.)
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Can someone confirm something for me? It looks like Battlefront has messed up something, namely the M50 Sherman. From what research I can gather, the M50 Sherman was based on the hulls of the M4A4 (Sherman V) and the M4A3E8 HVSS (Easy Eight). The M1 was just an M4A1(76mm) with HVSS retrofitted, and the M51 used M4 and M4A1 hulls with HVSS retrofitted. However, the "just released" M50 Sherman box has both tanks as the M4A1. Now I know I'm not the most well versed, but everything I can find that actually mentions hulls, always state the M50 was a M4A4, and the photos I can find of actual M50s are either M4A4s or M4A3E8 hulls.
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Historicals: That's not the proper hull for Israeli tanks in June of 1967.
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Numlock posted:Unfortunately Hen and Chicks is here to stay, WI had an AAR for a new(old) mission in WI and while they didn't state it explicitly, they were using lists out of the new East Front Book. Russians still had Hen and Chicks but the discount they got was steeper, so that's an improvement at least. I don't think that is going to save them though, even if they reduce the points cost to make them competitive, hen and chicks is still a rule that makes them not fun to play. Well perhaps some units have it and others don't? I'd just play assault guns, but it's much the same as the ones I'd like to play have ROF 1 anyway. IS-2s have the same issue.
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That Leipzig game is inspiring!
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Cessna posted:That Leipzig game is inspiring! Indeed, makes me want to break out my 6mm naps that have been collecting dust for some time now!
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Sokrateez posted:Indeed, makes me want to break out my 6mm naps that have been collecting dust for some time now! I still have a fully painted 15mm Prussian SYW army. Never put it on the table. 
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Does Baccus ever do sales? I know other miniature makers do seasonal sales around Christmas, does Baccus ever something like this?
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Indolent Bastard posted:Does Baccus ever do sales? I know other miniature makers do seasonal sales around Christmas, does Baccus ever something like this? I only remember some stock reduction sales, such as when he releases new versions of certain lines.
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lilljonas posted:I only remember some stock reduction sales, such as when he releases new versions of certain lines. Thanks. 6mm Vikings and Normans here I come.
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6mm are nice indeed. However, they are not so popular around here, so I just ordered the new Ronin rules from Osprey. The club will have a gaming weekend next month, and I plan to set up a two player scenario that I umpire, or even a multi-player scenario. I read some reviews on BBG that said that the rules were ok but the scenarios and the rest wasn't all that, so if I make something fun it might even be worth putting up online.
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lilljonas posted:6mm are nice indeed. However, they are not so popular around here, so I just ordered the new Ronin rules from Osprey. The club will have a gaming weekend next month, and I plan to set up a two player scenario that I umpire, or even a multi-player scenario. I read some reviews on BBG that said that the rules were ok but the scenarios and the rest wasn't all that, so if I make something fun it might even be worth putting up online. A group of friends have decided to play SAGA (the not terribly historical, but very fun) dark-age skirmish game. And rather than spend a bunch of cash on 28mm minis (or even 15mm) and making all new 28mm historical terrain we elected to scale the game down to 6mm. Most forces will only use 55 or so models, so my purchase netted me 3-4 armies worth of minis for $60 shipped. So far we have been playing with tokens and it has been fun, but I figure the addition of 3d minis and terrain will make the whole thing even better. I especially love that the standard playing field is 48"x36" which scaled down is 12"x9" (but I figure we might just go with 12"x12") The insane portability of the game is also enticing. A 12" square battle board, 100 tiny minis and a handful of 6mm terrain. The whole thing can fit in a tiny tool box. If you are at all interested in SAGA, PM me or email monkeypuncher00 at gmail dot com and I can send you some info.
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Indolent Bastard posted:tiny viking men This sounds like a sweet project, I have seen 6mm skirmish for sci-fi, but never really thought about other games besides big battalion types.
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