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"It must be terrible having to work for tips. Guess how much I make?"
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Any of you bartenders go through periods of forcing yourself to drink less? I've been a pretty bad drunk lately, and I need to get this poo poo under control...
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blowingupcasinos posted:Any of you bartenders go through periods of forcing yourself to drink less? I've been a pretty bad drunk lately, and I need to get this poo poo under control... I take off drinking a month a year, and once in a while for two weeks if I feel like it. Exercise helps a lot. The month is usually March, for what it's worth. But you can make a serious difference in tolerance/ridiculousness by stepping down to drinking one night a week and skipping shifties altogether.
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Anyone have recommendations on reading material for cocktail stuff? I'm wanting to learn more about fancier, high-end stuff, as I can't really do a whole lot of that where I work at. More interested in the methodology than just learning recipes, as I'm thinking of potentially stepping up for some cocktail competitions in the summer. The fanciest drink I tend to make with any regularity is a Caesar...was quite happy when someone came in and drank Singapore Slings on Saturday, hahah.
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blowingupcasinos posted:Any of you bartenders go through periods of forcing yourself to drink less? I've been a pretty bad drunk lately, and I need to get this poo poo under control... Fairly confident that all of us have. For me, it's usually a once a year thing. I'll get to a point where I find myself thinking "Alright, this is getting out of hand.." and then it's a few weeks or a month on the wagon, then strict moderation for awhile after that. Of course that moderation always decays after awhile and then it's eventually back to repeating the cycle. Best advice I can give is to just cut out the shots entirely and stick to lower ABV beers. Being completely sober sucks, so this way once liquor is out of the equation you're more likely to get sleepy or just plain full long before you get hammered. Ultimately though, you have got to find some way, any way, to rein it in and keep it in check. If you can't, then it's time to find a new line of work. I've known several great bartenders that couldn't get out of that spiral and it's a sad and horrible thing to witness. This poo poo that we sling every night will ruin you or kill you if you let it. Don't let it.
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Perdido posted:Anyone have recommendations on reading material for cocktail stuff? Get Degroff's book, it'll cover tools techniques, and most basics. Art of the Cocktail, I believe it's called. Also, I think the barsmarts curriculum is online somewhere, too. It's not as tough to make cocktails as some would make it out to be; a good workspace and proper tools make a world of difference.
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Dirnok posted:Fairly confident that all of us have. For me, it's usually a once a year thing. I'll get to a point where I find myself thinking "Alright, this is getting out of hand.." and then it's a few weeks or a month on the wagon, then strict moderation for awhile after that. Of course that moderation always decays after awhile and then it's eventually back to repeating the cycle. Best advice I can give is to just cut out the shots entirely and stick to lower ABV beers. Being completely sober sucks, so this way once liquor is out of the equation you're more likely to get sleepy or just plain full long before you get hammered. Cutting out shots is huge. That's got to be a first step.
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Oct 8, 2013 09:30
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doginapot posted:Get Degroff's book, it'll cover tools techniques, and most basics. Art of the Cocktail, I believe it's called. Also, I think the barsmarts curriculum is online somewhere, too. It's not as tough to make cocktails as some would make it out to be; a good workspace and proper tools make a world of difference. Craft of the Cocktail is good, you should also look at Gary Regan's Joy of Mixology. A decent reading list can be found here: http://www.museumoftheamericancocktail.org/giftshop/index.html The Art of the Bar is also worth picking up, IMHO.
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Oct 8, 2013 09:54
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Shooting Blanks posted:Craft of the Cocktail is good, you should also look at Gary Regan's Joy of Mixology. I've got American Bar on my shelf and it's got a ton of good recipes in the front half of the book with a summary of the history and characteristics of different spirits in the second half. Several of the recipes do seem to vary from what is usual for that drink in minor ways. This may be an artifact of the translation, I should get a copy in the original German.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Craft of the Cocktail is good, you should also look at Gary Regan's Joy of Mixology. I have a copy of a maybe 1950's bartenders manual called "Here's How" that is a total hoot. I could probably post some images here or something assuming copyright stuff won't get me banned.
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What is the etiquette for when I request a beer on tap and get it in a fun-size miniglass? I get that this isn't england so most of the glasses will look like this:  and not like this  but I've twice recently ordered a beer on tap and been given a silly-small optical illusion glass that probably didn't hold more than 16 oz of fluid. And we're talking about a pils here, it's not like I was ordering an ultra fancy high alcohol content beer which I would totally understand being served in something as small as a cocktail glass.
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Oct 9, 2013 22:48
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A US pint is 16 fl oz., so if you're getting a glass that size and it's full, you're getting a standard US draft beer. I'm not sure what the problem is?
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Oct 9, 2013 23:08
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Shooting Blanks posted:A US pint is 16 fl oz., so if you're getting a glass that size and it's full, you're getting a standard US draft beer. I'm not sure what the problem is? Most "pint" glassware in the US in fact holds only 12 ounces. I think they get to pint by how much the glass displaces (the outer size) rather than how much it holds. Brits get very upset about this because they order a "pint" whereas an American orders a beer. If you're British the solution to this is to not tip, but you probably are already doing that, so in that case you can drink in England. Or, you know, if you want more beer, you can, like, pay for another beer.
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Oct 9, 2013 23:49
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Or if you're already drinking pisswater in a lot of bars you can ask for a "stein" which is 22oz and usually not much more. At my main watering hole I think it's like a buck more for a stein of decent beer and maybe 50 cents for PBR or Miller Lite poo poo.
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Sheep-Goats posted:Most "pint" glassware in the US in fact holds only 12 ounces. I think they get to pint by how much the glass displaces (the outer size) rather than how much it holds. Serving sizes can vary from bar to bar as well. We served certain beers in fluted and lower volume glasses, other places gave 'em out in pints (real or otherwise), and vice versa, and prices could vary as well. If you're ordering a "pint" and the bartender pours you a beer that looks like it's not a full pint, I wouldn't go getting mad about it. I'd ask politely, and odds are very, very good that he or she is simply using the glass that the house deemed appropriate for the beer. If the house only has the 12 or 14 oz glasses, you can feel free to call them out on not giving you a "pint," but more than that isn't really justified. That individual is probably not out to screw you over, and isn't just not listening to you; they're just serving you the beer that you've ordered in the glass they have for it.
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Oct 10, 2013 02:44
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Sheep-Goats posted:Most "pint" glassware in the US in fact holds only 12 ounces. I think they get to pint by how much the glass displaces (the outer size) rather than how much it holds. Really? I just went and checked a few of my glasses, and they held 16 oz. exactly. Now, when you have an inch of head, it's probably only 12 or so ounces - but the actual capacity of my glasses (based on the measuring cup I used) was 16 oz. on the nose.
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Oct 10, 2013 02:55
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Shooting Blanks posted:Really? I just went and checked a few of my glasses, and they held 16 oz. exactly. Now, when you have an inch of head, it's probably only 12 or so ounces - but the actual capacity of my glasses (based on the measuring cup I used) was 16 oz. on the nose. It's very common. Every glassware company makes 12oz and 14oz versions that try as hard as they can to look like 16s. raton fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Oct 10, 2013 |
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Oct 10, 2013 05:21
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Sheep-Goats posted:It's very common. Every glassware company makes 12oz and 14oz versions that try as hard as they can to look like 16s. The smaller 14 oz glasses are called "cheater" pints and they are super common. I believe there's a law before the Michigan State Legislature to make cheater pints illegal.
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Oct 10, 2013 05:47
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If I order a pint, I expect to receive a proper pint, or be told that pints are not served at that bar, in which case I'll have a "glass of draft", which ironically is much larger than would receive when order a glass in a place that serves proper pints. The right way to deal with that sort of stupidity is to politely make your feelings known, tip the bartender appropriately (as they have no say) and then find a bar that serves a proper, 20 oz. pint like God intended. If the bartenders knows English, he should inform you when a pint is not going to be served (of course, I'm in Canada, where I expect bars to serve an Imperial pint) mind you, it doesn't bother me when I'm in other countries that speak different languages and I get something like a half-litre when I order a pint in English.
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Shouts to BIG HORNY COW, I was one of his roomies back when he lived in TN. Worked at the bar he talked about, except at the time I was the sound/lighting engineer. Now working at a few different bars in downtown Nashville and loving/hating every minute of it. Just stopped by the thread to say hey, love you guys, keep up the good work, one of my favorite threads on this forum. And earlier someone wanted to make a cocktail with Fireball to impress an industry party? I always go for the Apple Sauce: 0.75oz Fireball, 0.75oz sour apple schnapps, splash of pineapple juice. Shake over ice vigorously, then even more vigorously, and either strain into a martini glass up, or rocks glass over ice. Tastes EXACTLY like Mott's cinnamon applesauce. The bubbles from shaking give it an awesome mouthfeel that reminiscent of eating the real thing. Super girly but tasty as hell. Gotten laid because of that one before. 
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Shooting Blanks posted:Really? I just went and checked a few of my glasses, and they held 16 oz. exactly. Now, when you have an inch of head, it's probably only 12 or so ounces - but the actual capacity of my glasses (based on the measuring cup I used) was 16 oz. on the nose. Sheep-Goats posted:It's very common. Every glassware company makes 12oz and 14oz versions that try as hard as they can to look like 16s. navyjack posted:The smaller 14 oz glasses are called "cheater" pints and they are super common. I believe there's a law before the Michigan State Legislature to make cheater pints illegal. 8 years ago or so, when I first got to North America, I could've gone on a long dumb tirade about the, "here's your pint" which isn't a pint but I learned long ago to give up getting mad about it. The fact that a pint can mean any one of a bunch of things (none of which are an actual pint) is bad enough, but glassware specifically designed to hold less liquid without looking like it is way worse. Once we got a delivery of shot glasses that we didn't order, opened them up and found a whole bunch of 3/4oz shot glasses that looked identical to our regular shots. Turns out they were meant to go to another club in town - we pretty much all stopped drinking there instantly. gently caress anyone who pulls this sort of bullshit. As far as beers are concerned, it sucks that it's become the norm in North America that a "pint" can be a number of things, but if you like your beer cold and fresh*, then you shouldn't be ordering it out of the biggest glass you can get in the first place. So that's why I don't bother arguing this anymore (except, uhhh, for the last couple of paragraphs... shutup ) On top of that: Last I heard, back home in Oz, the once proud Aussie Meat Pie has now been legislated to the point where they legally aren't actually required to contain any meat at all. That poo poo is shameful. So I don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to calling out other countries for doing dumb poo poo. What the gently caress is wrong with people. * If you like your beer warm, your opinion doesn't matter 
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nrr posted:8 years ago or so, when I first got to North America, I could've gone on a long dumb tirade about the, "here's your pint" which isn't a pint but I learned long ago to give up getting mad about it. The fact that a pint can mean any one of a bunch of things (none of which are an actual pint) is bad enough, but glassware specifically designed to hold less liquid without looking like it is way worse. Just dropping in to say "gently caress you" to my old bar. I worked there full-time for a year and a half and they pulled this poo poo. We had normal size glasses in 25cl and 'fluitjes' in 22 cl. Our boss decided that the margin of profit on those wasn't big enough so he changed the normal glasses to 22cl and the fluitjes to 18 cl. The problem is that they looked identical in size and we weren't allowed to admit it to paying customers. He specifically told me to lie to the customers. gently caress that move. I left shortly after that and luckily i'm not working an industry job anymore. Even though I kinda liked the bar, the personnel and even (some of) the customers, management was terrible and I stuck around for too long. Took me a 3 months just to get my poo poo back in order. I was the first to leave and in two weeks time 80% of the staff left. I don't miss working late shifts 6 days a week or doing suicide weekend shifts, but I do miss some parts of the job.
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nrr posted:* If you like your beer warm, your opinion doesn't matter As long as people don't loving freeze their beer to death. It's a pilsner, not a popsicle.
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Avian Pneumonia posted:What is the etiquette for when I request a beer on tap and get it in a fun-size miniglass? You order Hoegaarden and marvel at your oversized glass. doginapot posted:Get Degroff's book, it'll cover tools techniques, and most basics. Art of the Cocktail, I believe it's called. Also, I think the barsmarts curriculum is online somewhere, too. It's not as tough to make cocktails as some would make it out to be; a good workspace and proper tools make a world of difference. Shooting Blanks posted:Craft of the Cocktail is good, you should also look at Gary Regan's Joy of Mixology. Thanks for the recommendations, I'll definitely be looking at these.
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PT6A posted:If I order a pint, I expect to receive a proper pint, or be told that pints are not served at that bar, in which case I'll have a "glass of draft", which ironically is much larger than would receive when order a glass in a place that serves proper pints. Would it kill us to finally go metric? It's not like it would be the first time I've been drinking out of a beaker.
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How many pints of vodka and gallons of soda does your bar use? (We're already partly metric -- also England is now entirely metric and they still drink pints.)
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Frozen Horse posted:Would it kill us to finally go metric? It's not like it would be the first time I've been drinking out of a beaker. Bars would probably charge the same for 0.5L as they do now for a proper pint (568 mL, according to Google), so I'm sure bars would love it and customers would get screwed.
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Avian Pneumonia - Completely apart from America's refusal to convert to metric, the most likely cause for the "my beer is too small" kerfuffle is that you have been served a beer with a higher-than-usual ABV. Most if not all of the craft beer bars around my neighborhood have been serving beers higher than 9% ABV in smaller 8-oz. glasses at least since I moved to NYC, and I've noticed recently a lot of bars that don't bill themselves as specifically beer-centric have started to follow suit. I asked a bartender at one of these joints a while back why that was the case and he said the higher-proof stuff costs more and usually only comes in half-kegs, depending on the brewery, so their profit margins are much lower. I've never had any say in the stock or distribution end, so I can't confirm/deny whether that's legitimately the case, but it makes sense. I wouldn't worry about it too much, the actual amount of alcohol getting into your body is gonna be around the same with one of those as it would be if you'd ordered two PBRs. NINJA EDIT I just read the disclaimer that nullifies my entire previous paragraph. If they're just giving you some bullshit macro draft in a kiddie cup, move bars. In my defense, I've noticed a lot of people complaining about the 8 oz. glasses and I assumed you were one of them. I am now supplementing my Irish bar shifts with 3 days a week of work at an infamous Midtown "martini factory". Very different crowd. Much higher volume, much wealthier clientele, universally shittier tips. Just 2 things: 1. Every time someone pulls out an Amex Black Card, I immediately prepare myself for no more than 12%. 2. If you have to ask "X happened/I am X/I know X/my friend is X/ so now we get free drinks, right?", the answer is always going to be no, and I'm always going to enjoy the look of denied entitlement on your smug little face that immediately follows. If I wanted to give you free drinks, you'd have free drinks already. I am the Liquormancer. All drinks flow through my hands. Defy me at your peril.
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Sondheim posted:All drinks flow through my hands. Defy me at your peril. Welp. I've gone from running a kind-of-cocktail bar to freelancing to working a job with insurance. What a turnaround this year has been. I'd like to thank bourbon, for always being there for me (and taking me to Kentucky to gently caress its Mom), and for never lasting on my shelf more than a few days, unlike that freeloader GIN who is everydamnwhere in my house. In celebration of my getting a new and crazy awesome job, I think I'll day drink for the last time in, oh, ever.
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Sheep-Goats posted:It's very common. Every glassware company makes 12oz and 14oz versions that try as hard as they can to look like 16s. My usual bar always asks me if I want a 14 or 22oz of whatever beer I'm ordering, there's no mention of "pint".
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Sondheim posted:Avian Pneumonia - Completely apart from America's refusal to convert to metric, the most likely cause for the "my beer is too small" kerfuffle is that you have been served a beer with a higher-than-usual ABV. Most if not all of the craft beer bars around my neighborhood have been serving beers higher than 9% ABV in smaller 8-oz. glasses at least since I moved to NYC, and I've noticed recently a lot of bars that don't bill themselves as specifically beer-centric have started to follow suit. So, the company I work for is opening a new bar in the area and I went in last night to help with their soft open. Afterwards, I asked the bar manager which of his taps I should be sure to try and he suggested a strong Belgian called Lucifer. I toddled behind the bar and poured myself one. When I get back to the table, I see he's got some specialty glassware in front of him. "Oh hey is that teeny glass the specialty glassware for that Lucifer you mentioned?" "Yup. Doesn't look like much for a $9 beer, huh?" I look down at the 20oz glass in front of me and wave it at him... "Oh gently caress, Jack, I guess make that a $20 beer!" It was pretty good though.
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Shrapnac posted:My usual bar always asks me if I want a 14 or 22oz of whatever beer I'm ordering, there's no mention of "pint". Outback Steakhouse?
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I do just fine in Midtown - we jigger our pours so you'll always get a square (1oz) shot.. we pour 2oz for neat & pretty much everything else. Oddly we do 3oz in our Campari drinks
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Ouija posted:I do just fine in Midtown - we jigger our pours so you'll always get a square (1oz) shot.. we pour 2oz for neat & pretty much everything else. Oddly we do 3oz in our Campari drinks Because Campari owns, sucka. Crampy soda 4 lyfe.
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Perdido posted:You order Hoegaarden and marvel at your oversized glass. So an ending to this story: I drink the beer and the waiter comes back to the table. I ask him politely but jokingly "If I order another beer can I please have it in a 'big-boy glass?'" and he tells me about how "different beers come in different kinds of glasses" (like I didn't know this) but that if I order 'beer-x' (I don't remember what it was) that I would be given a bigger glass. I say okay and sure enough he returns 5 mins later with an ultra skinny/ultra tall pilsner glass. This is what I'm given when I request a 'big-boy' glass. I poured it into my original glass and found that it held even less. I held my tongue and tipped my server well as he was kind and doing his best and almost certainly didn't make decisions about how to nickel and dime customers. Anyway, the Village Whiskey in Philadelphia is a joke and it's sad that the whole reason I was drinking beer in the first place is that I couldn't find a single whiskey that interested me on their big list of whiskeys with every brand and age of jack daniels and wild turkey on it. (I take whiskey really seriously and used to write about it). Their whiskeys were also hilariously overpriced. I'm from NYC but I kinda laughed when I saw them trying to charge $14 for makers mark. If you're into whiskey go to Noormans Kil or The Post Office in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. They really know their poo poo and are fair and can talk to you all day about interesting whiskeys you'd never tried before and not just the more expensive stuff you can get at any liquor store. I still haven't found a decent whiskey bar in Philadelphia. navyjack posted:The smaller 14 oz glasses are called "cheater" pints and they are super common. I believe there's a law before the Michigan State Legislature to make cheater pints illegal. I support this. E: yelp has provided me a pic of the glass in question (the first one) 
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If you have a proper 16 oz pint glass and pour a 12 oz beer bottle into it, it still looks pretty full. People don't appreciate how important filling to the top is. Personally, I don't run into cheater pints very often, much more common to see lazy pours that are 14 oz in a 16 oz glass.
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The franklin mortgage and investment co in Philly has a well curated whiskey selection, which is to say drink old granddad all day erry day. Phoebe is doing good stuff at emanuelle, too.
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