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Red posted:but at least McMahon isn't hemorrhaging money on these ventures. Linda's Senate Campaigns.
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Claytor posted:I'd think that Shane and Stephanie are the ones we have to thank for a lot of the more relevant pop culture elements that popped up in late nineties WWF. Bischoff didn't really have anyone in that age range he paid much attention to. Even still, Bischoff should have known no one had liked KISS in like 15 years. Golden Bee posted:Linda's Senate Campaigns. That's like the WBF and XFL - failures, yes, but not a direct involvement with the WWF/E other than advertising it to viewers. Red fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Oct 9, 2013 |
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Red posted:Even still, Bischoff should have known no one had liked KISS in like 15 years. Eric "Clinging to his Motorcycle-Riding Midlife Crisis With Both Hands" Bischoff?
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Red posted:Even still, Bischoff should have known no one had liked KISS in like 15 years. As with many things WCW did I have a feeling Bischoff did that because he is a KISS fan and wanted to hang with KISS.
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Red posted:That's like the WBF and XFL - failures, yes, but not a direct involvement with the WWF/E other than advertising it to viewers. And the odd Vince McMahon temper tantrum. But even that pails in comparison to whatever the gently caress is wrong with Russo and women.
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The XFL was directly connected to the WWE and it was a big issue in 2001 with stockholders. Losses from the XFL held down what otherwise would have been a beyond giant year. The Senate runs were from their personal accounts so it didn't matter much. I believe the WBF and Icopro were also direct WWE ventures directly tied to the company.
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Red posted:Even still, Bischoff should have known no one had liked KISS in like 15 years. Tony Schiavone loves KISS
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flashy_mcflash posted:On the other hand, WCW had Bob Mould on staff as Creative so you'd think he'd have a suggestion or two of what musicians might be good to bring in. Imagine if WCW had managed to snag the Foo Fighters or something. It still blows my mind that WCW actually hired one of my favorite musicians ever to help book their shows back in the day, just like it did when I had previously read that he was a big wrestling fan (he even wore an AWA shirt at various times in photos). I loved Hüsker Dü and his solo stuff, and his work in Sugar is some of my favorite music ever to this day.  I do recall reading an interview where someone asked him about his time in WCW, and Mould basically said he realized early on that it wasn't a good fit for him (or something along those lines), so he ended up leaving without having any real influence/impact on WCW's booking.
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Bob Mould in WCW made no sense at all. Retro observer is up where Dave reports about going to a WWF house show and seeing Austin get a babyface pop.  . And it's the infamous NWO puts Rey through a truck episode where he describes it as being "Okay, then over done, and then so over done it became good again". Better used to things being over cooked, Dave.
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MassRafTer posted:The XFL was directly connected to the WWE and it was a big issue in 2001 with stockholders. Losses from the XFL held down what otherwise would have been a beyond giant year. The Senate runs were from their personal accounts so it didn't matter much. I believe the WBF and Icopro were also direct WWE ventures directly tied to the company. Oh, interesting. Looking them up, XFL was indeed a 'joint venture' of NBC and WWE. WBF was a subsidiary of the WWF/E. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Sports#Expansion_beyond_wrestling I had thought the only connection between WWE and WBF and the XFL was that it was all run by Vince.
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Red posted:Oh, interesting. WBF might as have been, the WWE was privately held until 99/00. XFL was started around the time of the IPO.
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Looking back, it's ludicrous to think that wrestling was so popular that Vince decided to TAKE ON THE NFL with a football league. I'd argue that the XFL is definitely his craziest venture (nuttier than the WBF or Linda's Senate campaigns, even). So being a guy that was into it during the boom but got out of watching regularly after WM17 (and quit altogether after WM18), did Vince go crazy when the business cooled so fast compared to what it was during the wild 98-2001 run? When reading the Observer I always see that one of their most requested issues is this - - *October 22, 2001 (why the adult audience has left pro wrestling in such great numbers and what needed to have been done to save them) I really need to purchase that back issue. Were falling ratings what led to him burying the hatchet with Hogan and bringing in the (failed) reformation of the NWO?
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Vince loves men with huge muscles. I don't think it really goes much farther than that. e:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbsRtuoIDSc
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Looking back, it's ludicrous to think that wrestling was so popular that Vince decided to TAKE ON THE NFL with a football league. I'd argue that the XFL is definitely his craziest venture (nuttier than the WBF or Linda's Senate campaigns, even). XFL was a spring league that ran in the NFL off season. It was never a direct competition.
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vince has always made clear that his passions go 1) bodybuilding 2) football 3) wrasslin and since he was very rich, he tried to make money off the things he liked more
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Toffile posted:XFL was a spring league that ran in the NFL off season. It was never a direct competition. FUCKFACE MORON fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Oct 10, 2013 |
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MassRafTer posted:As with many things WCW did I have a feeling Bischoff did that because he is a KISS fan and wanted to hang with KISS. I know for a fact Tony Schiavone is a huge Kiss fan, and wanted to be the guy to announce their live performance on Nitro. WCW had a wide selection of mainstream media outlets thanks to Time Warner. Over here in Europe, we used to watch Nitro of Fridays, after Cartoon Network went off the air and TNT came on. TNT showed only classic movies. It's TCM (Turner Classic Movies) now. My point: WCW could have been featured on many TV shows and in DC Comics. Cartoon Network had Macho Man on Space Ghost Coast to Coast and Dexter's Lab, that's it. Hogan and Macho (and the Dungeon of Doom) were on Baywatch. I know they had Thunder in Paradise and all those movies Hogan did, as well as Ready to Rumble, but they all sucked. WCW missed an endless list of free advertising opportunities. The WWF knew how to pick 'em - The Simpsons, That 70s Show, Saturday Night, Star Trek: Voyager. Just one of the many wrong business decisions WCW made, and it still baffles me.
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Rad R. posted:Star Trek: Voyager gonna need a thorough explanation of this
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The Rock was a pit fighter on an ep of Voyager and did his obligatory Rock Bottom. I think he fought Seven of Nine.
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david carmichael posted:gonna need a thorough explanation of this The Rock was on an episode (maybe more than one) and fought Seven of Nine in a match and wore a bra. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708999/ 
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You can find the fight scene on YouTube and other places, 'The Rock fights Seven of Nine'.
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He sure did. And Red insisted he make the autograph out to him instead of Eric.
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No one remembers Big Show trying to cop a feel on Star Trek Enterprise.
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I think that's because a lot of Star Trek fans that are also wrestling fans didn't watch that much Enterprise. I didn't. Its theme song was off-putting, so much so that I'd stop watching right after the opening montage.
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Rad R. posted:WCW had a wide selection of mainstream media outlets thanks to Time Warner. Over here in Europe, we used to watch Nitro of Fridays, after Cartoon Network went off the air and TNT came on. TNT showed only classic movies. It's TCM (Turner Classic Movies) now. My point: WCW could have been featured on many TV shows and in DC Comics. Cartoon Network had Macho Man on Space Ghost Coast to Coast and Dexter's Lab, that's it. Hogan and Macho (and the Dungeon of Doom) were on Baywatch. I know they had Thunder in Paradise and all those movies Hogan did, as well as Ready to Rumble, but they all sucked. WCW missed an endless list of free advertising opportunities. The WWF knew how to pick 'em - The Simpsons, That 70s Show, Saturday Night, Star Trek: Voyager. Just one of the many wrong business decisions WCW made, and it still baffles me. Turner basically produced no original series for the entirety of its ownership of WCW. TNT didn't really start producing original series until the 2000s, TBS did some stuff in the 80s, but did nothing in the 90s. TCM doesn't produce new content, which is kind of the point. It would have been utterly ludicrous to throw them on CNN. CN as a product only really matured when WCW was dying. Outside of Space Ghost, it was nothing but Looney Tunes and Hannah Barbera reruns. I guess maybe they could have been special guest stars in the Powderpuff Girls, but the demographics were all wrong.
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david carmichael posted:vince has always made clear that his passions go He actually wasn't much of a football fan.
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MassRafTer posted:He actually wasn't much of a football fan. he certainly isn't much of a wrestling fan either
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Toffile posted:Turner basically produced no original series for the entirety of its ownership of WCW. TNT didn't really start producing original series until the 2000s, TBS did some stuff in the 80s, but did nothing in the 90s. TCM doesn't produce new content, which is kind of the point. TNT produced several original series during WCW's run, some of them with infamous crossovers with WCW. Off the top of my head they produced Robin Hood, Mortal Kombat, Bull, the fifth season of Babylon 5 and the Babylon 5 spin off Crusade. I am still miffed at TNT for screwing up Crusade. They also produced a bunch off TV movies.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Looking back, it's ludicrous to think that wrestling was so popular that Vince decided to TAKE ON THE NFL with a football league. I'd argue that the XFL is definitely his craziest venture (nuttier than the WBF or Linda's Senate campaigns, even). Bear in mind that RAW was regularly trumping Monday Night Football in the head to head ratings around that time. But yeah, XFL going straight to TV was beyond dumb and a running disaster. No standout talent, no media presence, no buzz. Running a few seasons off TV would have helped iron out the kinks but that would be awful pill for shareholders to swallow.
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MassRafTer posted:TNT produced several original series during WCW's run, some of them with infamous crossovers with WCW. Off the top of my head they produced Robin Hood, Mortal Kombat, Bull, the fifth season of Babylon 5 and the Babylon 5 spin off Crusade. I am still miffed at TNT for screwing up Crusade. They also produced a bunch off TV movies. I was going to mention the cross promotion between Robin Hood and WCW, but there are things beat left unremembered. I totally forgot about the MK TV series though. Sorry for making you remember Crusade.
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Toffile posted:I was going to mention the cross promotion between Robin Hood and WCW, but there are things beat left unremembered.
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Don't forget, Vince is also a HUGE boxing fan. He's also a better boxing commentator than a wrestling commentator.
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coconono posted:Bear in mind that RAW was regularly trumping Monday Night Football in the head to head ratings around that time. But yeah, XFL going straight to TV was beyond dumb and a running disaster. No standout talent, no media presence, no buzz. Running a few seasons off TV would have helped iron out the kinks but that would be awful pill for shareholders to swallow. You have to remember that NBC lost the NFL at that time and wanted something to help prop up NBC Sports with, which is why they were involved and pushed it so heavily. I don;t think they would have tolerated any un-televised seasons. MassRafTer posted:TNT produced several original series during WCW's run, some of them with infamous crossovers with WCW. Off the top of my head they produced Robin Hood, Mortal Kombat, Bull, the fifth season of Babylon 5 and the Babylon 5 spin off Crusade. I am still miffed at TNT for screwing up Crusade. They also produced a bunch off TV movies. Dinner and a movie had a scene on WCW where the host made a bunch of deserts for the WCW wrestlers - Diamond Dallas Creampuff stands out in my memory - and then ripped open his shirt and revealed allegiance to the NWO. It was a lovely segment.
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What was the name of the made for TV TBS movie where Diamond Dalls Page kidnapped the president's daughter? 90s TBS was the best TV station. It was basically the bad action flicks, wrestling, Atlanta Braves and chimpanzees network. We get this Peachtree TV bullshit in Canada now. *Edit* Here we fuckin' go. Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Oct 10, 2013 |
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First Daughter
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