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Mechafunkzilla posted:The Commissariat only takes orphans from the Schola Progenium. Who are in turn orphans of imperial officials, likely to be upper class as well? I really do need to read more of the Imperial Guard stuff before making statements, ah well.
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The TL;DR of it is that each planet has a PDF of some form, and IG regiments tithed from it tend to have the same organisation. It really does depend on where a regiment was raised as to how it will be structured.
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Oct 10, 2013 18:42
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Deofuta posted:Who are in turn orphans of imperial officials, likely to be upper class as well? I really do need to read more of the Imperial Guard stuff before making statements, ah well. Nope, just orphans of those killed in service to the Imperium, often IG soldiers. One would think that the children of dead nobles would likely have a pretty solid support structure from their family house and wouldn't have to be taken in by the Schola. The fact that Schola graduates have loyalty only to the Imperium/Ecclesiarchy and not to a family is the whole point.
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Oct 10, 2013 18:43
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IG regiments can be pretty much anything and come with pretty much any kind of equipment so long as, when the poo poo starts, they know which way to point the lasgun and where to charge.
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Oct 10, 2013 19:03
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VanSandman posted:IG regiments can be pretty much anything and come with pretty much any kind of equipment so long as, when the poo poo starts, they know which way to point the lasgun and where to charge. Yeah, I mean there's an IG regiment mirrored after pretty much any historical, gun-toting army you can think of (and probably some before firearms, too). There's modern army guardsmen, WWII stereotype Soviet cannon fodder guard, British Redcoat guard, WWI German guard, WWII German guard, paratrooper guard, Rambo guard...the list goes on.
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Oct 10, 2013 19:23
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Then you get into the mechanized regiments, which are basically a giant love letter to tank battles throughout history.
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Oct 10, 2013 19:29
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Don't forget the space huns from the planet Atilla. And the space Imperial Russians. And the space Prussians, space Irish rangers, and space bedouin raiders.
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Oct 10, 2013 19:53
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The one hole to me for the Imperial Guard is that we've never seen what any of their utility vehicles are like. Whatever their equivalent to a jeep or deuce and half is. Forgeworld has models for tank recovery vehicles and stuff, and there's the Tauros, also from FW, but that seems more like a specialized fast attack vehicle than a standard utility thing. I'm assuming it will just look like a jeep or deuce-and-half, but it's still a bit of an oversight unless literally the entire military rolls around in Chimeras all day.
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Well, a modified Chimera chassis, yeah.
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Oct 10, 2013 20:05
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VanSandman posted:Well, a modified Chimera chassis, yeah. Salamanders and Centaurs.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Salamanders and Centaurs. D'oh! That's what I get for replying from memory rather than checking.
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They talk about regular ole trucks in the Gaunts Ghosts series. I always just pictured pretty utilitarian half-tracks, trucks, stuff like that.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:They talk about regular ole trucks in the Gaunts Ghosts series. I always just pictured pretty utilitarian half-tracks, trucks, stuff like that. I had also considered from the ghosts that they have pretty standard trucks etc. I am fairly sure there are a few scenes where someone jumps into the back of one as it is pulling away - hard to imagine doing that with a Chimera.
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Fideles posted:I had also considered from the ghosts that they have pretty standard trucks etc. I am fairly sure there are a few scenes where someone jumps into the back of one as it is pulling away - hard to imagine doing that with a Chimera. The salamander mentioned earlier is an open-topped Chimera so it's possible, though unlikely. I know it's a bit of a fad to de-orkify some of the ork planes to make alternative Imperial aircraft. I wonder what de-orkified ork trukks would look like.
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Cream_Filling posted:The one hole to me for the Imperial Guard is that we've never seen what any of their utility vehicles are like. Whatever their equivalent to a jeep or deuce and half is. Forgeworld has models for tank recovery vehicles and stuff, and there's the Tauros, also from FW, but that seems more like a specialized fast attack vehicle than a standard utility thing.
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Here is your Oct. 10, 2013 reminder that according to the universe Dan Abnett has created, a group of wise old aliens thought advocating basic rights to black people would have advanced the cause of evil demons living in a hell dimension, so they contracted a magical reincarnating man to assassinate Martin Luther King Jr. You can snort and harrumph at Ian Watson's old books with dancing dreadnoughts and Space Marines farting in each other's faces, but this new little gem of 40K lore, to me, is more insane than anything Watson ever wrote.
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It sounds of the stuff of legend. When Ian Watson is dust on the Earth; people will be afraid of saying Cabal and Abnett in the same sentence.
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I just assumed it meant that the Cabal is completely fallible rather than a statement of Abnett's political leanings.
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Either way, it's loving bizarre
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Oct 11, 2013 00:23
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I figured it was a big red flag saying 'The Cabal Is Wrong.' I wonder what Eldrad is up to, anyway....
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Oct 11, 2013 00:24
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Eldrad did 9/11.
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Just seems like an odd choice. If they wanted to have ties to conspiracies in that time period why not choose something like the grassy knoll? Weird choices abound.
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Oct 11, 2013 00:27
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I just asked him on Twitter. ADB is really good about responding to fans, hopefully he will do the same.
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lenoon posted:Either way, it's loving bizarre It's definitely crazy and unnecessary, but I think the point is that the cabal wants to keep humanity from uniting by killing all the good people the Emperor tries to promote. And also to make clear that the cabal are bad.
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VanSandman posted:I just asked him on Twitter. ADB is really good about responding to fans, hopefully he will do the same. Doesn't his wife manage all his social media presence?
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Nah, they share it. Nik is pretty awesome actually. She wandered up and down the queue at Gamesday the year I was there talking to people. Also the books she wrote with him are some of my favourite Fantasy ones.
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Arquinsiel posted:Nah, they share it. Nik is pretty awesome actually. She wandered up and down the queue at Gamesday the year I was there talking to people. Also the books she wrote with him are some of my favourite Fantasy ones. A husband/wife writing team? That's kind of adorable.
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Cream_Filling posted:A husband/wife writing team? That's kind of adorable. Also decently common, actually.
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I haven't read the book in question yet but I can't see it as anything other than an attempt to make sure people don't start thinking that the Cabal have any sort of moral high ground. (Which I have to admit I was starting to do.) Or maybe just a way to shake up moral perceptions of the setting in general. "Would you sacrifice the idea of civil rights in order to oppose Chaos," sort of thing. I mean, that's kind of always been what the Imperium is about but maybe relating it to beloved contemporary icons would illustrate the moral dilemma in a way that isn't quite brought home to the reader by the idea of space catholics torturing people and destroying planets at random. Mind you, I don't think I would have told Dan Abnett to open that can of worms, but since he did, it implies some interesting stuff.
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VanSandman posted:Also decently common, actually. Really? I'm curious about this now. JerryLee posted:I haven't read the book in question yet but I can't see it as anything other than an attempt to make sure people don't start thinking that the Cabal have any sort of moral high ground. (Which I have to admit I was starting to do.) Yeah, it was a dumb choice, but maybe the point is that it's always been vaguely implied that the Emperor has either been, or was the a controlling influence behind, Jesus and a bunch of other moral and religious figures over the years. So maybe the angry, warlike Emperor is the result of him getting frustrated over the centuries as the Cabal goes around killing off all the human moral paragons he sets up to try and unite humanity and help it grow. This also explains the emperor's hatred of aliens. Because the Cabal is convinced that humanity is destroying the universe and that their development must be stopped, and the Emperor has been playing 5-d chess against them this whole time and is getting sick of losing good people to them. Though yeah the primary purpose storywise was probably to remind people that the Cabal don't exactly have the moral high ground considering they're a bunch of ancient aliens who are getting ready to kill every single human in the universe to save their own asses, and probably most if not all of them don't give a poo poo about humanity anyway. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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How much written material is out there about the Black Library (the actual library, not the publishing branch)? The one that Ahriman has been trying to get into all this time.
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Cream_Filling posted:Really? I'm curious about this now. It's very common among picture book writers and illustrators, for example. Since they split the profits 50-50, a married couple instead gets all of them. Stan and Jan Bearenstein ring a bell?
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Cream_Filling posted:Yeah, it was a dumb choice, but maybe the point is that it's always been vaguely implied that the Emperor has either been, or was the a controlling influence behind, Jesus and a bunch of other moral and religious figures over the years. So maybe the angry, warlike Emperor is the result of him getting frustrated over the centuries as the Cabal goes around killing off all the human moral paragons he sets up to try and unite humanity and help it grow. This also explains the emperor's hatred of aliens. Because the Cabal is convinced that humanity is destroying the universe and that their development must be stopped, and the Emperor has been playing 5-d chess against them this whole time and is getting sick of losing good people to them. I hope they adopt this as the reasoning behind the Emperor's otherwise illogical politicking and policymaking, it's much more robust than just "the Emperor is bloodthirsty". Also I hope ADB (I think it's ADB writing the book on the Emperor) delves into the Emperor's role in the early history of humanity. I've always thought, for example, an interesting short story (or chapter of the book) could be the story of Jesus; the Emperor being God and Jesus being a perpetual under his guidance. You could do something very interesting with that kind of fertile ground to explore the innate character of humanity, and it could well feed into the evolution of the Emperor's thinking on how to guide humanity, coming to subscribe to, as it seems in 40k anyway, a kind of Hobbesian/Freudian view of humanity as basically scum that need a strong ruler, as opposed to the Rousseau-esque "noble savage" that the Emperor perhaps believed in earlier incarnations.
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The best explanation for the Emperor's stupid decision making, imo, came from Torgaddon in Horus Rising. "He doesn't understand! The Emperor isn't a god, but he may as well be. He's so far removed from the rest of mankind. Unique. Singular. Who does he call brother? No one! Even the blessed primarchs are only sons to him. The Emperor is wise beyond all measure, and we love him and would follow him until the crack of doom, but he doesn't understand brotherhood." And that's it, really. The Emperor just doesn't understand people. The Primarchs are so far beyond the Space Marines that the Space Marines give each other advice like "Look at his feet because eye contact will make you forget everything you wanted to say", and the Emperor is even further beyond the Primarchs. He's a 30,000+ year brilliant scientist, researcher, and inventor with the powers of a god. He's been so far above humanity, even his gene-altered trans-humanity strains, for so long that he just doesn't loving understand people, and virtually all the monumentally stupid decisions he seems to make are founded in that. Not realizing that his priest-king son was going to have difficulties with the Imperial Truth. Disciplining Lorgar like that on Monarchia, and using Guilliman to do it. The way he dealt with Angron. The way he appointed the Warmaster and bailed on the Crusade. The way he dealt with Magnus. All these things basically stem from the fact that the Emperor has no loving clue how people actually work.
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Demiurge4 posted:How much written material is out there about the Black Library (the actual library, not the publishing branch)? The one that Ahriman has been trying to get into all this time.
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Khizan posted:The best explanation for the Emperor's stupid decision making, imo, came from Torgaddon in Horus Rising. Kurzon fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Khizan posted:The best explanation for the Emperor's stupid decision making, imo, came from Torgaddon in Horus Rising. That's loving stupid, since through reasoning you can make predictive models for the behavior of individuals even if you can't relate - this is one of the ways psychopaths get by. The intelligence and perspective of someone like the Emperor may put them on a level unable to be comprehended by common people and perhaps even his Primarchs, but the opposite isn't true and is the equivalent of calling him a social incompetent that can understand us lil' folks because he got his big fancy degree at the capital university.
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A more reasonable explanation is that Chaos is a strange and unnatural force that even the Emperor doesn't fully understand, and corruption isn't something that he can easily foresee. When the Emperor retired to Terra to work on the Golden Throne, he cut off contact with his Primarchs, and Chaos took advantage of his distraction to corrupt the Primarchs.Nephilm posted:That's loving stupid, since through reasoning you can make predictive models for the behavior of individuals even if you can't relate - this is one of the ways psychopaths get by. The intelligence and perspective of someone like the Emperor may put them on a level unable to be comprehended by common people and perhaps even his Primarchs, but the opposite isn't true and is the equivalent of calling him a social incompetent that can understand us lil' folks because he got his big fancy degree at the capital university.
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Demiurge4 posted:How much written material is out there about the Black Library (the actual library, not the publishing branch)? The one that Ahriman has been trying to get into all this time. There's quite a bit in Atlas Infernal by Rob Sanders. He's not a terrible author either going by Legion of the Damned or AI.
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