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Samurai Sanders posted:I've been searching for one for quite some time, I can't find one. If I did find one, I'd post there a lot, just to practice my Japanese. The culture for the kinds of messageboards that we take for granted here all flow from 2ch over there, and I guess their community and values flows with it. I think it's more to do with a wariness to stand out on the radical left at all, no matter who you are. Ultranationalists are notorious for poo poo-shaming anyone suggesting something left of center and they've been that way ever since... erm, forever.
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Let's not forget the Japanese radical left can also be pretty insane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Red_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_airport_massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Red_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia_Anti-Japan_Armed_Front http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japaneseism
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Reverend Cheddar posted:I think it's more to do with a wariness to stand out on the radical left at all, no matter who you are. Ultranationalists are notorious for poo poo-shaming anyone suggesting something left of center and they've been that way ever since... erm, forever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4KROpdUkrM
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Frigate Orpheon posted:Let's not forget the Japanese radical left can also be pretty insane: Looking at those links though, the majority of those activities weren't exactly activists in Japan gunning for Japanese change. The radical movements of the 1910s to me are especially fascinating though, especially the guys like Shusui Kotoku. I think that's partly where uyoku get their penchant for violent reactionism though. The Imperial government basically killed or life imprisoned anyone who was a high-profile leftist under the crime of anarchy (granted, a lot of them were openly advocating total anarchy; these guys had their eye on the Bolshevik revolution as much as anyone else) so I think uyoku derive their legitimacy, as it were, from that. This is more anecdotally related to the kind of work I do here, but I've been seeing a revival in Taisho period aesthetics, so I think sooner or later someone's going to shine a light on some of these figures as a continuation; uyoku be damned.
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Oct 12, 2013 10:36
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mystes posted:A really great court decision Monday: I think I ran into one of these this week on accident.  They were marching up the street with Japanese war flags and shouting really angrily in megaphones. I don't speak Japanese and my cousin didn't want to get any nearer to them, but he said they were shouting stuff about Koreans. Is there anything in specific issues these groups are angry about, or is it standard old conservative hate stuff?
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:They were marching up the street with Japanese war flags and shouting really angrily in megaphones. I don't speak Japanese and my cousin didn't want to get any nearer to them, but he said they were shouting stuff about Koreans. Is there anything in specific issues these groups are angry about, or is it standard old conservative hate stuff? If by "standard conservative hate" you mean stuff like "kill all Koreans" and "You thought Nanking was bad? Just wait!", then yes. Edit: they're terribly ignorant but mostly harmless, unless you're obviously Korean and happen to wind up in the middle of them. The biggest danger from them is to your hearing from their trucks blaring that terrible music/old guy bitching about whatever. Sheep fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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Oct 12, 2013 11:15
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:I think I ran into one of these this week on accident. It's basically just straight-up hate speech against Koreans (maybe Chinese, but the vitriol against China isn't as pronounced, at least in these kinds of demos anyway. I'm sure some netouyo like to bring up street-making GBS threads wherever they can though). Those drat black vans nearly ruined a concert for this poor pianist who was heading an outdoor concert I went to a few months ago, though. I think the police actually did step in and redirect them--because hello, it's a concert you idiots--but at least the pianist had a laugh about it. "Golly folks, it's a little noisy today, huh?"
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Oct 12, 2013 12:17
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Sheep posted:If by "standard conservative hate" you mean stuff like "kill all Koreans" and "You thought Nanking was bad? Just wait!", then yes. Once on 2ch I heard someone saying "man, those Anonymous guys actually go out and do the stuff that they talk about online! Why can't we be like them?"
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Glad I'm not Korean or Chinese and the hate speech isn't directed towards me.
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hadji murad posted:Glad I'm not Korean or Chinese and the hate speech isn't directed towards me. Don't worry, they hate everyone to some extent or another
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LimburgLimbo posted:Don't worry, they hate everyone to some extent or another What would happen if a white westerner were to wander near them, would they scream at them and shift the rhetoric to hatin' on America or some other thing?
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JosefStalinator posted:What would happen if a white westerner were to wander near them, would they scream at them and shift the rhetoric to hatin' on America or some other thing? edit: any problems they have with the US government is attributed to Korean agents and/or propaganda. I am not even making this up.
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Samurai Sanders posted:I don't think so actually. They seem to be relatively with Westerners, since they aren't a regional threat to Japanese superiority. Also, they seem to be ok with Taiwanese, their only neighbors that that is the case for. So Taiwanese are "one of the good ones", as are white people. Never change, Japan  .
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Samurai Sanders posted:edit: any problems they have with the US government is attributed to Korean agents and/or propaganda. I am not even making this up.
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JosefStalinator posted:What would happen if a white westerner were to wander near them, would they scream at them and shift the rhetoric to hatin' on America or some other thing? It depends. Some of them like Westerners and especially Americans to some extent because they see them as allies against China and (at least North) Korea, but some of them hate westerners too. I know that there are sometimes anti-western rallies, because I've seen videos of them, though they're definitely somewhat uncommon.
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Kenishi posted:Unless you are in Okinawa. In which case the US people are the root of all problems.
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Oct 14, 2013 06:29
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JosefStalinator posted:So Taiwanese are "one of the good ones", as are white people. Never change, Japan This is mostly because Taiwan was the first colony Japan took and was not subject to nearly the same amount of bullshit as the others (they wanted to make it a 'good' example of colonialism). That, plus the Kuomintang screwing up a lot of the stuff Japan did get right on the island, led to a lot of people feeling "hm, compared to this, Japanese rule wasn't so bad".
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They really love them some Japanese culture over there, I tell you what. I went there on vacation a few years ago, and when I got to the hotel at around 5PM, 4 of the 5 channels where each broadcasting a different anime, some only a week or two behind the schedule in Japan. They used to have this show over here, "Ainori", where a pink van full of singles traveled from country to country with some interaction with the locals and much angsty drama. Over several years, they'd crossed Africa, both Americas, and most of Europe, but Taiwan was the first and only country where there were actually fans waiting with signs when they landed.
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I forgot, there's definitely one area that they oppose the West on: the UN's position on universal human rights. We're for it, they're against it, since it would mean they would have to treat women and Koreans like human beings. edit: I think our racists and sexists don't vocally oppose it simply because they don't know or care what it is, so maybe it's not a fair comparison. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:I forgot, there's definitely one area that they oppose the West on: the UN's position on universal human rights. We're for it, they're against it, since it would mean they would have to treat women and Koreans like human beings. Freep always treats everything from the UN as an attempt to impose the homosexual muslim agenda 21 on are country. And they are very sceptical of the idea of universal human rights for anyone they don't like (Muslims, gays, and gay Muslims in particular).
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JosefStalinator posted:So Taiwanese are "one of the good ones", as are white people. Never change, Japan I am not really sure that's are fair statement (painting Japan with the same brush as the netouyo). The "netouyo" while saying hateful racist things and being total shitheels, the high estimates put them at around 300k total and likely a lot less, most of those parades are around 200-300 people. So in a country of 126 million, I would say around 99.5% of Japanese are fine with mostly everyone. Just compare them to the tea party/birthers and I guess that's a pretty close comparison. And the tea party holds a lot more political power in america right now.
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JosefStalinator posted:What would happen if a white westerner were to wander near them, would they scream at them and shift the rhetoric to hatin' on America or some other thing?
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Samurai Sanders posted:Honestly when I read hating on the US it's usually in the context of "our worthless government asks the US to stay here and protect us instead of doing it themselves". Also, it's not just the netuyos protesting the US military presence. That's more of an equal opportunity issue. The Communist Party does marches against that and so do some other groups.
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JosefStalinator posted:What would happen if a white westerner were to wander near them, would they scream at them and shift the rhetoric to hatin' on America or some other thing? Samurai Sanders posted:I don't think so actually. They seem to be relatively with Westerners, since they aren't a regional threat to Japanese superiority. Also, they seem to be ok with Taiwanese, their only neighbors that that is the case for. Alternatively, this. I love the confused looks on the guys' faces.
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Sheep posted:Alternatively, this. I love the confused looks on the guys' faces. For some reason I find it really amusing that based on the amount of luggage out and the fact that they have to wait for the marchers to pass they probably were on their way back home already.
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Wibbleman posted:I am not really sure that's are fair statement (painting Japan with the same brush as the netouyo). The "netouyo" while saying hateful racist things and being total shitheels, the high estimates put them at around 300k total and likely a lot less, most of those parades are around 200-300 people. So in a country of 126 million, I would say around 99.5% of Japanese are fine with mostly everyone. Just compare them to the tea party/birthers and I guess that's a pretty close comparison. And the tea party holds a lot more political power in america right now. I should have clarified, but "Never change japan" sounded better. I did of course mean the small minority of crazy nationalists - as a white dude who has been to Japan, I never met anyone who displayed any sort of negative feelings toward white westerners (aside from the general "ugh why don't you understand our language/ways" kind of typical frustration, shielded by politeness).
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Hahaha I just went to play a flash game on Armor Games for a few minutes, and before the game the ad was... a 15 minute video from the crazy right-wing political party Happy Science about Korean anti-Japanese demonstrations to do with war reparations/ianfu.
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Happy Science has a political wing? And they're nationalist? I met their missionaries in Hong Kong and they were pretty open about being a religion (read: cult) that loves all people from all nations. And they had an anime to prove it. I'd think they'd be pretty anti-nationalist.
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Bloodnose posted:Happy Science has a political wing? And they're nationalist? I met their missionaries in Hong Kong and they were pretty open about being a religion (read: cult) that loves all people from all nations. And they had an anime to prove it. I'd think they'd be pretty anti-nationalist. mystes fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Oct 15, 2013 |
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mystes posted:but they are otherwise on the right of the political spectrum (pro-militarization, etc.)
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ookiimarukochan posted:Their founder has repeatedly described Margaret Thatcher as an angel of light - not an allegorical angel, but an actual being sent from heaven to save the world sort of thing. No-one to the left of foaming-at-the-mouth fascist would say that. Well biblical angels are actually utterly terrifying beings, pretty much God's WMD welding enforcers. Of course he doesn't mean it in that sense but he is accidentally accurate in his description.
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Bloodnose posted:Happy Science has a political wing? And they're nationalist? I met their missionaries in Hong Kong and they were pretty open about being a religion (read: cult) that loves all people from all nations. And they had an anime to prove it. I'd think they'd be pretty anti-nationalist. They're basically Scientologists sans Xenu. Maybe you're thinking of Soka Gakkai? (Which people say is a cult, but I dunno if it's a cult so much as its members are more persistent than Mormon missionaries trying to get you to go)
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Reverend Cheddar posted:They're basically Scientologists sans Xenu. Maybe you're thinking of Soka Gakkai? (Which people say is a cult, but I dunno if it's a cult so much as its members are more persistent than Mormon missionaries trying to get you to go) Nah, they're pretty much a cult. My wife got tricked into going to one of their gatherings by someone we met back in the US; she had just said it was a "Buddhist" meeting, probably guessing that if she'd said "Soka Gakkai", my wife would've refused on the spot.
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CronoGamer posted:What makes Soka Gakkai more cult-like than other religious groups? I knew people were wary of them because of their ties to Komeito, but where does the cult aspect come from (aside from, apparently, aggressive recruiting)? The Ikko Ikki. 
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ookiimarukochan posted:Their founder has repeatedly described Margaret Thatcher as an angel of light - not an allegorical angel, but an actual being sent from heaven to save the world sort of thing. No-one to the left of foaming-at-the-mouth fascist would say that. I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't tell you a single thing Thatcher ever did. My wife was pretty surprised at the reaction to her death as she always thought she was well regarded for reasons she couldn't articulate.
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Reverend Cheddar posted:They're basically Scientologists sans Xenu. Maybe you're thinking of Soka Gakkai? (Which people say is a cult, but I dunno if it's a cult so much as its members are more persistent than Mormon missionaries trying to get you to go) It was definitely Happy Science. I still have their pamphlets and their anime DVD. I haven't watched it yet though I saw it playing at their booth at the Hong Kong Book Fair. It had all these different racial caricatures of people from around the world being way into Happy Science. I remember there was a Native American guy who looked like T Hawk from Street Fighter.
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CronoGamer posted:What makes Soka Gakkai more cult-like than other religious groups? I knew people were wary of them because of their ties to Komeito, but where does the cult aspect come from (aside from, apparently, aggressive recruiting)? There are two aspects that probably feed into this. One, is its unusual amount of reverence for the third president and SGI president, Daisaku Ikeda. The other aspect is that they have a history of being affiliated with the Nichiren Shoshu school, who excommunicated them in the 90s. The Nichiren Shoshu school holds an exclusivist view in that they are the true version of Buddhism and all other schools are heretics, including the Nichiren Shu school, and the SGI doesn't explicitly state this but they don't generally work with other Buddhist schools. I can't say much about them in Japan but I have been recently at a meeting stateside. I've been researching them more after the meeting, but that is all the experience I have with them and those are just the two immediate things that are striking to me.
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Wibbleman posted:Just compare them to the tea party/birthers and I guess that's a pretty close comparison. And the tea party holds a lot more political power in america right now. In terms of rhetorical incoherence, it's a perfect comparison.
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