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LeeMajors posted:I'm not sure if this has been discussed already, but how the gently caress did Natty Ice win GABF Gold medal for "American Style Cream Ale?!" It's a pretty vague definition. BJCP actually uses the term "lawnmower beer." I've always heard that maize/corn as an adjunct is a primary defining quality.
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Ubik posted:Well, yeah. I know that they need plenty of beer to promote the brand and do their job, but a lot of other departments take whatever they want for personal use, too. And I'm well aware that the personal use stuff factors in to promoting the brand, but that applies to everybody in the company. I give at least half of my allotment away to family and friends, who tend to talk up what I do and who I work for. Not that everybody should get a pallet of BCS Rare, but a little bit wouldn't hurt, and it'd help promote the company and the brand even more. like every employee gets a set of the whole BCBS lineup or something? seems weird that they would be so tightfisted but at the same time completely neglect to find out what happens with the "marketing bottles." obviously not every rep is doing that, but if you're not going to use them as thank-yous or incentives for big accounts, at least crack 'em at bottle shares. danbanana posted:It's a pretty vague definition. BJCP actually uses the term "lawnmower beer." I've always heard that maize/corn as an adjunct is a primary defining quality. yeah, it's the amount of adjunct; otherwise, the style doesn't have the most narrow of definitions.
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Sublimer posted:You mean I don't have to wait for the earth to revolve around the sun 2 or 3 more times for my Bolt Cutter to taste good?! Sweet! It has a 4.05 with 800+ reviews on Beer Advocate, lots of people think it's good, even when tons of beer nerds make fun of it for being disappointing. edit: I can't believe I'm defending Bolt Cutter. I had it on tap once, thought it was a 3.5 out of 5 beer, and put the two bottles I had in the back of the closet to see how it would age. I just don't think it's a poo poo beer and there are plenty of people who like it. Corb3t fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Oct 15, 2013 |
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:It has a 4.05 with 800+ reviews on Beer Advocate, lots of people think it's good, even when tons of beer nerds make fun of it for being disappointing. I'm all over the board when it comes to this topic but... Could this be another example of rarity/hype pushing a beer rating higher? If it wasn't a Founders Backstage release- if Joe's Beer Company brewed the exact same thing- do you think it would fair so well? I'm not too certain. Personally, I thought it was entirely mediocre and not much better than most "shelf" barley wines. By the time I finished the bottle (by myself, which was dumb...) I was kind of hatin' it.
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Oct 15, 2013 14:03
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Frangelic Mountain has an 89 on BA or something, do you think I'm paying $13 for a bottle of that?
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Oct 15, 2013 14:41
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TenaciousTomato posted:Frangelic Mountain has an 89 on BA or something, do you think I'm paying $13 for a bottle of that? Are you offering me $13 for mine? SOLD.
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danbanana posted:Are you offering me $13 for mine? SOLD. i know three or four people who hated it upon release but swear that it has turned into something delicious. my boy who was a cook at one of the best restaurants in town loved it fresh, though, which always blew my mind since i thought it was so trifling.
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Different strokes for different folks. I thought Bolt Cutter was fantastic when I had it in June at a Founders event. I even rated it higher than KBS on Untappd. I had Frangelic at that same event and didn't think it was bad either. I didn't think it was great, but I'm looking forward to opening my bottle this winter to see how it's progressed. Then again I may not be the best judge of "good beer" since I love big boozy beers, huge overpowering oak flavors, and anything that tastes like it was aged on old leather jackets.
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danbanana posted:I'm all over the board when it comes to this topic but... Could this be another example of rarity/hype pushing a beer rating higher? If it wasn't a Founders Backstage release- if Joe's Beer Company brewed the exact same thing- do you think it would fair so well? I'm not too certain. Considering Bolt Cutter is a running joke over at BA/RB, I imagine there's a different segment of beer drinkers who post on the forums vs. rating a beer. I would agree that the Founders name (just like other big name breweries) plays a part in how people are rating a beer, but I don't think it would be rated terribly if it didn't have the Founders name. Some beers just aren't for everybody. Lots of people have been making GBS threads on Founders for the past few Backstage releases but lots of people also like boozy high ABV beers, hazelnut coffee, fruit beers with chili peppers, and barrel aged IPAs.
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Oct 15, 2013 15:16
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Any Lancaster, PA goons here? I'm spending a long weekend in Lancaster this week for a wedding and planned on hitting the Spring House taproom and Iron Hill, along with making the ride out to Troegs as well. Are they any other must visit spots out this way?
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WaffleStomp posted:Any Lancaster, PA goons here? I'm spending a long weekend in Lancaster this week for a wedding and planned on hitting the Spring House taproom and Iron Hill, along with making the ride out to Troegs as well. Are they any other must visit spots out this way? Selins Grove should be in the area, I've heard nothing but great things.
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WaffleStomp posted:Any Lancaster, PA goons here? I'm spending a long weekend in Lancaster this week for a wedding and planned on hitting the Spring House taproom and Iron Hill, along with making the ride out to Troegs as well. Are they any other must visit spots out this way? I'm in Philly but we were just in Lancaster a few weeks ago. You should hit up Lancaster Brewing Company if you get a chance. Not a huge fan of their regular lineup, but I like their seasonals. Shoo Fly Pie Porter is on tap now. Quite nice if you like shoo fly pie since it emulates the flavor pretty well without being sweet. Also their Baked Pumpkin Ale is as good as Pumking in my opinion. It's less sweet with just enough spice. It tastes more like a pumpkin pie than most I've had.
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HatfulOfHollow posted:I'm in Philly but we were just in Lancaster a few weeks ago. You should hit up Lancaster Brewing Company if you get a chance. Not a huge fan of their regular lineup, but I like their seasonals. Shoo Fly Pie Porter is on tap now. Quite nice if you like shoo fly pie since it emulates the flavor pretty well without being sweet. Also their Baked Pumpkin Ale is as good as Pumking in my opinion. It's less sweet with just enough spice. It tastes more like a pumpkin pie than most I've had. I'm not a fan of their stuff, but maybe I'll stop in for the hell of it. Any other places close to Lancaster you could recommend? Midorka, I'd hit Selin's Grove, but it's a bit out of the way. If I have the time, I may swing by Pizza Boy to sample some of their sours.
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funkybottoms posted:i know three or four people who hated it upon release but swear that it has turned into something delicious. my boy who was a cook at one of the best restaurants in town loved it fresh, though, which always blew my mind since i thought it was so trifling. They're all lying. It was never good, except as a novelty to open and be like "this tastes like a Gloria Jeans smells."
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Oct 15, 2013 16:22
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HatfulOfHollow posted:
The '88 Thomas Hardy I had tasted like it *was* an old leather jacket. Like if you took an old cowboy's leather belt, and made tea from it.
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Oct 15, 2013 16:28
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crazyfish posted:They're all lying. It was never good, except as a novelty to open and be like "this tastes like a Gloria Jeans smells." To me, someone who loves that artificial hazelnut, that's a good thing.
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Oct 15, 2013 17:42
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Midorka posted:To me, someone who loves that artificial hazelnut, that's a good thing. Sometimes I feel like one of the most unsnobby coffee drinkers - I grind freshly roasted coffee using a manual burr grinder (it was cheap!) with my Aeropress every day at work. Sometimes I drink it black. Sometimes I drink it with a little splenda. Sometimes I make lattes. Sometimes I even go to greasy spoons and drink coffee with artificial vanilla creamer. The horror! 
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The gas station on my way to work has pretty good coffee. Anyway, the constant ratings inflation and the tendency to jump to the extremes on beers is very tiring. Every beer is either the most amazing mouth orgasm the person has ever had or it's a drain-pour that kicked their dog and called their mother a bad name. There is no middle ground. Like people calling something like Blue Moon or Boston Lager the worst beer they have ever had. Really? If that is the worst you've ever had, you live a charmed life. I bet you I could pour one into a logo pint from your favorite darling underdog local brewery and tell you it was an experimental limited release they only made two barrels of before feeding the recipe to a dog and you would sing it's praises while fumbling with your smartphone to post about it. We're fast approaching the point where no one actually enjoys beer anymore - they drink it to get Untappd badges or cellar it to one-up other idiots in BA circle-jerks. I guess I am just getting fed-up with the whole culture and now I am bitter.
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FreelanceSocialist posted:I guess I am just getting fed-up with the whole culture and now I am bitter. The easy way around this is to just ignore the culture. I've said it before and I'll say it again: taste is subjective. You don't need to fall in line with some BA internet beer review groupthink to enjoy the pint in front of you. Just drink it. And form your own opinions.
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FreelanceSocialist posted:We're fast approaching the point where no one actually enjoys beer anymore - they drink it to get Untappd badges or cellar it to one-up other idiots in BA circle-jerks. i don't use Untappd and i've given up on BA and i can't say i feel the same. sure, those people are out there, but i choose to leave them out of my beer-drinking experience and just enjoy myself.
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danbanana posted:It's a pretty vague definition. BJCP actually uses the term "lawnmower beer." I've always heard that maize/corn as an adjunct is a primary defining quality.  I knew the definition was vague, but didn't realize it was that vague. Holy poo poo. I was expecting some Summer Solstice or something on there, and saw Natty Ice and nearly died of a stroke. Edit: Summer Solstice is listed on the BJCP as a commercial example. What the gently caress? And Natty Ice won? Ridiculous. FreelanceSocialist posted:We're fast approaching the point where no one actually enjoys beer anymore - they drink it to get Untappd badges or cellar it to one-up other idiots in BA circle-jerks. We are there. When Boston Lager is considered trash beer, we have truly jumped the shark as a subculture. I tried to get into Untappd and couldn't. I just sit quietly and drink beer and ignore everything else. gently caress it. LeeMajors fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Oct 15, 2013 |
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Sometimes they don't make it easy to stay home and save money. http://www.popville.com/2013/10/the-barrel-aged-brau-and-cheesesteak-bonanza-at-boundary-stone-this-sunday/ quote:DC Brau co-founder and fellow Cheesesteak Enthusiast, Brandon (More-Cheese-Please) Skall agreed to drive to Sarcone’s in Philadelphia and pick up the freshly baked righteous rolls and drive them poste haste DIRECTLY to The Stone. I just can't turn down all that DIPA. (Although I will be interested to see if they have potentially made something good with the Citizen - history makes me think 'no') ChickenArise fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Oct 15, 2013 |
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bartolimu posted:Lost Abbey Barrel Night tickets were available online for maybe 45 seconds. I got one. I thought about it for about 30 seconds before I realized I already maxed out a credit card buying Lost Abbey beer a month ago. I had a little bit of Alpine's Great the other day. It reminded me a bit of GF's Sleepin' with Shaggy, but ever so slightly less good. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Oct 15, 2013 |
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ChickenArise posted:
And Sarcone's makes the best loving rolls, too.
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Drank my bottle of Great Divide's 19th Anniversary ale last night that's been sitting in my fridge for a while, and goddamn I wish I'd bought more of it when it was on the shelf here! I thought the birch syrup sounded like it could be nasty, but it was a great addition to the beer. My grandpa used to keep old fashioned candy around, like horehound drops, and it reminded me of eating some of those while drinking an old ale. Not too sweet or too strong to get tired of, I loved the entire bottle. Going to have to try the local bottle shops and see if any of them have some of it left.
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Any goons going to Darkness Day this year? I've never been, but Surly is one of my favorite breweries. I will probably be driving up there from Chicago with a buddy for the weekend. What's worth hitting up in the twin cities?
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umop apisdn posted:Any goons going to Darkness Day this year? I've never been, but Surly is one of my favorite breweries. I will probably be driving up there from Chicago with a buddy for the weekend. If only fobab wasn't on the same day!
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LeafHouse posted:If only fobab wasn't on the same day! I thought that Darkness Day was like 10-26. Isn't FOBAB in November? I was supposed to go to Darkness Day...but made a poor decision. I'm going to my 10year high school reunion instead ...haha.
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Yeah, Darkness day is Oct. 26, FOBAB is Nov. 16..... This fall will not be easy on my wallet or my liver.
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FreelanceSocialist posted:The gas station on my way to work has pretty good coffee. Anyway, the constant ratings inflation and the tendency to jump to the extremes on beers is very tiring. Every beer is either the most amazing mouth orgasm the person has ever had or it's a drain-pour that kicked their dog and called their mother a bad name. There is no middle ground. Yeah, I think that the culture exists only so much as you participate in it. There are people who want to inflate their self-worth by chasing rares and dispensing polarized judgement on beers. I am beer-omniscient because I've had everything important and now let me take a step further to apotheosis by damning or exalting whatever it is I am drinking. It's playground psychology at work among insecure manchildren. I personally just drink beer to enjoy it at this point. If people recommend or generally like a beer, I will grab it if I can and I don't care if I can't. I drink beer from whatever brewery is closest to me when I have a thirst. I grab rares off the shelf if they happen to be there and I can afford it. I pay attention to local beer news so I can do cool local beer things. I read this thread and I have a good feel for what's popular and happening across the country. It's a fun hobby in balance with everything else in my life. There are some posters in this thread whom I genuinely envy for having the time and money to consistently be drinking pretty much the entire breadth of super tasty, super hyped beers. That is not me right now. I don't let it get me down and frankly, for not trying all that hard (I read two blogs and this thread) I still have gotten to try a fair amount of rare or highly regarded beers and that makes me happy, not only for ticking something off, but for having had great beer. I dunno man, sometimes you just have to step back and look at what is actually driving the bad part of the beer community. Also I use Untappd now to keep track of what I drink. Could not care less about the badges, most of them are super boring. You drank five IPAs! You are drinking with 10 other Untappd users at this restaurant! Woo! It's really just a convenient, simple beer journal. If you are spending real life money to buy beer, no matter how good, to get an Untappd badge, you have really fallen off the deep end.
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Eejit posted:Yeah, I think that the culture exists only so much as you participate in it. There are people who want to inflate their self-worth by chasing rares and dispensing polarized judgement on beers. I am beer-omniscient because I've had everything important and now let me take a step further to apotheosis by damning or exalting whatever it is I am drinking. It's playground psychology at work among insecure manchildren. I actually have a friend who doesn't visit beer forums, doesn't follow the latest local bottle releases or events, yet is obsessed with getting badges and will go drink specific beers or go to specific locations for badges. I believe he has 100+ badges at this point. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I'm not a beer snob per se, but I actually like going to crazy events with local friends, taking trips specifically to visit an area of the country and try the local breweries, trading bottles with people across the country, and getting together to open more sought after beers and styles.I have the means to do so and I don't live in Portland or Denver, where I'd have a dozen breweries I could go to and all of them are doing interesting sours and barrel aging. Having said that, it's unfortunate that I don't get excited about common styles like your typical Lager, Pilsner, Brown Ale, or Red Ale anymore. I love trying new beers but there's just so many breweries opening and I only make the effort if one of their offerings is unique. Corb3t fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Oct 15, 2013 |
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Untappd to me is just a quick way to keep track of the beers I've tried. Many times at a tasting or festival, I don't have enough time to take expensive notes, or even remember what I've tried. Untappd is a quick way to mark off beers and record a quick impression of it. There have been countless times where I've gone to check in "new" beer and found out I did taste it at an event a year ago. Just like any hobby, there is a competitive aspect in craft beer. Everybody wants to think they are doing it "better", whether that is chasing after .rar walez, or drinking hyper local, or obsessively ticking. Passion usually leads to obsession.
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umop apisdn posted:Yeah, Darkness day is Oct. 26, FOBAB is Nov. 16..... Well this is wonderful news! See you at darkness day!
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bartolimu posted:Lost Abbey Barrel Night tickets were available online for maybe 45 seconds. I got one. Port Brewing/Lost Abbey Facebook posted:Port Brewing / The Lost abbey Veritas 012 will be a Kriek - blend of blond sours with cherries. Similar profile to our 2011 Cable Car Kriek I was on the same boat as Angry Grimace but with how fast tickets went, I'm already over this Kriek that I'll never get to try. Sounds like you could get some great trade value out of your bottles though!
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:I actually have a friend who doesn't visit beer forums, doesn't follow the latest local bottle releases or events, yet is obsessed with getting badges and will go drink specific beers or go to specific locations for badges. I believe he has 100+ badges at this point. I don't think that's really the dark side of beer culture though. I am all about the beer-cation, cool festivals, and even some trading (see BIF). I do pretty much as much of that as I can afford. I don't really do bottle shares mostly because I don't do the BA or RB thing where I could get hooked up with people that do and my current local friends don't do it either, but I don't think that's a bad thing either. I have a potential trip to San Diego this winter and if it pans out, there is a bottle share in the works there along with a couple of days of staggering from brewery to brewery. Where beer culture chafes me is when it does become snobby and egocentric. Where hype dominates the product, instead of the products own merits, much like Freelance Socialist said. And where people want to be Beer Personalities and some become absolutely insufferable and dismissive of beer-plebs. It's basically when people want to make themselves Better Beer Nerds by chasing whales, which in itself isn't bad if you can afford it because it's all really just a matter of money, that beer culture sucks. The entitlement and hoarding and truck chasing all are symptoms of someone who has gone too far, and that's what disgusts me. There are several posters in this thread that consistently drink amazing beer. I swear it sometimes seems that every other post mentions the Bruery Reserve Society, Catador, 3F, or Cantillion but nobody's a dick about it. We never hear, "well I had King Henry and BA Old Numbskull so your post about middling at best Bigfoot really doesn't hold water. Also please glory in my presence and prepare to receive my enlightened gifts of knowledge." That's where it goes bad and that's where I think a lot of people get disgusted with beer culture. That and hoarding, which is not cool.
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I try my best to just enjoy the beer that's available in my area. I rarely trade, though I won't ever miss a BIF, but I do love to go on beercations. I think the next one I'm going to do will be from NJ to Illinois to visit family and friends while stopping at Fat Heads, Great Lakes, and Three Floyds along the way. I find it fun travelling to various breweries and seeing what the areas are like than chasing rares. There's just too much good stuff available on the shelf now and that makes me very happy.
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Furious Lobster posted:I was on the same boat as Angry Grimace but with how fast tickets went, I'm already over this Kriek that I'll never get to try. Sounds like you could get some great trade value out of your bottles though! Gonna send one to the dontdrinkbeer YouTube guy and drink the other one myself. gently caress trading. The fact that they're comparing it to Cable Car Kriek excites me probably more than it should. I loving loved that beer. I split a bottle with five other guys at Toronado one night, and we ended up buying another Cable Car Kriek because we couldn't think of anything on their list that would be better. Half of those guys were tick-obsessed Untappd monkeys, too. It was just that good.
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