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I can't find the channel for Two Best Friends, just their Machinima stuff. Can anyone direct me?
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SirSamVimes posted:I can't find the channel for Two Best Friends, just their Machinima stuff. Can anyone direct me? http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSw1tcher?feature=watch There you go.
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Oct 15, 2013 04:47
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Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation (as well as these forums) actually does LPs with a buddy of his, which are posted to this channel. They mainly do old obscure adventure games, which provide some pretty great commentary just for them regaling about how terrible the genre could get back then. Plus you get to hear him totally lose his composure over grade-school profanity.
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Oct 15, 2013 10:34
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I just had a chance to listen to the latest Retsutalk and I just need to reiterate how incredibly creepy that YouTube Wikia is. If you haven't listened, Slowbeef and 'Beetus had NorthernLion on and were reading selections from his YouTube Wikia page that had things like his height, number and names of pets and well, just look at it: http://youtube.wikia.com/wiki/Northernlion These things are all cited from hundreds of episodes of his Binding of Isaac series and other videos, but it doesn't make it less creepy that people essentially scoured hundreds of hours of content to come up with this stuff that may have been mentioned once or twice.
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Oct 16, 2013 14:14
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unfair posted:They're both pretty terrible at the games, but it seems like her brother generally shows a semblance of competency. At one point Felicia got Sonic stuck down a hole where you have to rock back and forth to get momentum, and couldn't get him out for what seemed like 5 minutes. Then proceeded to talk about how terrible the game was if I remember correctly. Well, there's also Clueless Gamer from Conan O'Brien ,which is a much funnier version of Co-Optitude 
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Oct 16, 2013 15:11
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Lazyfire posted:Where are you guys finding some of these people? Everyone I've ever had recommended to me by YouTube has been a terrible mix of the worst LPer qualities instead of interesting or informative. Mostly I go through this process: I want to see an LP of game X. Is there one on the archive/SA? If not, youtube search for it. Sometimes I find a good one and check other stuff by the LPer and might subscribe.
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Oct 16, 2013 16:05
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They're not the most informative or in-depth let's players out there, but I'm a fan of Mario Party TV, which plays pretty much nothing but. It's probably the maddest I've ever seen people get playing the games, and there's been some luck in the videos that you wouldn't believe. Makes for good background noise, since all of them are around an hour minimum.
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Oct 16, 2013 16:47
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Lazyfire posted:Yeah, that method is a great way to find about a million videos that you don't want to see ever at the same time. It reminds me of how people will simply spam their Tags section with poo poo like "-New Release-" (similar to the method above) even if the video is four hours of Minecraft just to get some people looking for video of a different game. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but: that wasn't emphasis, a minus sign before a term in a search means "don't show anything that includes this search term".
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Oct 16, 2013 17:55
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Idran posted:Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but: that wasn't emphasis, a minus sign before a term in a search means "don't show anything that includes this search term". That second minus sign was a copy/paste/cut mistake.
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Oct 16, 2013 18:09
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J.theYellow posted:GameSocietyPimps has an awful lot of material, but thus far my favorite is Fallout 3 For Pimps. They've got 41 episodes thus far. Really crude. I used to watch GSP, but I just got tired of Yonda's endless stream of dick and rape jokes. Plus they started shilling for Audible.com, of all people.  The stuff he does for Blame Society is pretty good though--I love Beer and Boardgames. I also used to watch Game Grumps and Best Friends Play, until I just got tired with schlubby nerds screaming over video games. Now it's basically Birgirpall, Chip and Ironicus, Retsuprae, hello i am dan and Giant Bomb.
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Oct 16, 2013 18:18
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Do many LP channels like, combine their MAD YOUTUBE REVENUE with like, bloging-for-bucks tactics? You know, the ones that drive pageviews and use like, amazon referral links to get kickbacks? Like in their video descriptions, link to an amazon page for the game or whatever? I'd think that'd be a logical step to take if you were focused on MAXIMUM COMPENSATION, or is there some kinda rule about that on YouTube?
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Oct 16, 2013 18:29
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I usually watch an episode of Game Grumps when I'm eating lunch or dinner or whatever. It really is a crapshoot what the quality of the episode will end up being, though. Sometimes their videos are laugh-out-loud funny, yet other times they spend the entire episode doing unfunny voices and making fun of homeless people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYWqEDNxkNA I loving hate Egoraptor sometimes. 
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Oct 16, 2013 18:49
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JordanKai posted:I usually watch an episode of Game Grumps when I'm eating lunch or dinner or whatever. It really is a crapshoot what the quality of the episode will end up being, though. Sometimes their videos are laugh-out-loud funny, yet other times they spend the entire episode doing unfunny voices and making fun of homeless people. Honestly I can't stand to even give an attempt at watching Game Grumps unless it's some game I've never seen people do before and I'm too lazy to youtube search, or they say they're good at it (usually they are). Because, and even within those, when they get bored of talking about the game/gaming or aren't funny they sometimes start expressing their opinions on actual things in the world, and their opinions are jack loving garbage 80% of the time. Or at least Egoraptor's are. JonTron and Danny I haven't had any discourse in what they say aside from rolling my eyes when Danny make jokes about being jewish cause that doesn't get old, but Egoraptor can be dumber than a sack of rock sometimes.
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Oct 16, 2013 19:40
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:Do many LP channels like, combine their MAD YOUTUBE REVENUE with like, bloging-for-bucks tactics? You know, the ones that drive pageviews and use like, amazon referral links to get kickbacks? Like in their video descriptions, link to an amazon page for the game or whatever? I know some people that do, but it's more for review/first impression content rather than LPs. I'd imagine the buy demand would be much lower on LPs, except maybe for launch week.
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Oct 16, 2013 20:11
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:Do many LP channels like, combine their MAD YOUTUBE REVENUE with like, bloging-for-bucks tactics? You know, the ones that drive pageviews and use like, amazon referral links to get kickbacks? Like in their video descriptions, link to an amazon page for the game or whatever?
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Oct 16, 2013 21:11
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So here is a question, and I saw it lightly broached earlier in the thread. What in the world is with face cams? I see it a lot when I watch Twitch streams that people seem to almost get upset when one isn't included, like it's become some sort of standard. I just can't personally see what the gently caress it adds to the experience though. Where did this come from? Why is it there?
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Oct 16, 2013 21:58
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Five posted:So here is a question, and I saw it lightly broached earlier in the thread. Everyone is as confused as you are, to put it simply. I'm assuming it's people that aren't looking so much for stuff on games as it is they're looking for "goofy" wannabe comedians, like people who still watch SNL or Mad tv. There's always a market for crap.
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Oct 16, 2013 22:03
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Five posted:So here is a question, and I saw it lightly broached earlier in the thread. It makes more sense when you consider that a lot of people aren't watching for the games, they're watching for the person playing. If you're watching someone's stream just to listen to them without caring about the game they're playing, seeing their face would probably add to the experience. Especially for people who play horror games, because when you watch someone play a horror game for the sole purpose of hearing them react to the scares, seeing them react would be that much better.
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Oct 16, 2013 22:07
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Nerds like to pretend that the streamer/lper is their friend, and knowing what they/their room looks like helps them believe that it's true. Or that's my theory at least.
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Oct 16, 2013 22:18
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I pretty much just watch speedrunners on Twitch, and the thing about speedrun streams is that the gameplay footage gets very repetitive very quickly. I mean, the whole thing about speedrunning is playing the same game over and over and over, but trying to get it done faster this time. Even the coolest trick gets old to watch once you've seen it about a dozen times just today. So basically, if you're watching a speedrunner on a regular basis, even if they're running your favorite game on the face of the planet, you're not watching for the game anymore by that point. The continuing entertainment factor comes from the runner, either through their interaction with the game, or, much more commonly, their ongoing dialogue with their viewers in Twitch's chat. And dialogue tends to be a bit more engaging when you can actually see the person you're talking to. Of course, this only works for live streaming. It's not appropriate for, like, LP's on YouTube or whatever.
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Oct 16, 2013 22:32
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TCat posted:Honestly I can't stand to even give an attempt at watching Game Grumps unless it's some game I've never seen people do before and I'm too lazy to youtube search, or they say they're good at it (usually they are). Because, and even within those, when they get bored of talking about the game/gaming or aren't funny they sometimes start expressing their opinions on actual things in the world, and their opinions are jack loving garbage 80% of the time. A problem I had with Game Grumps is that they either don't know what to do or they're not paying attention, so they loving lollygag around in the game. I tried watching the early episodes of their Sunshine runthrough and it didn't seem like they knew where the first Shine was. They gently caress around just long enough for it to get frustrating. Edit: Besides, the fans just animate their best moments so I can just watch those without having to sit through the entire thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qxsafB6gow
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Oct 16, 2013 22:33
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HotAndColdAF posted:I pretty much just watch speedrunners on Twitch, and the thing about speedrun streams is that the gameplay footage gets very repetitive very quickly. I mean, the whole thing about speedrunning is playing the same game over and over and over, but trying to get it done faster this time. Even the coolest trick gets old to watch once you've seen it about a dozen times just today. I dunno, I've watched some of Cosmo's streams, and the facecam isn't much better than the game. It's still just repetitive gamerface, followed by a strained face when button mashing. The only non-game thing I really like on the screen is the splits (obviously only applicable to speedrunning). For speedrunning though, isn't it supposed to add validity or something to the run? I know some speedrun sites require some sort of confirmation that runs are "valid" (not Tool-assisted), and I think the live cam aids in that proof. I mean, established speedrunner probably don't need it because nobody is going to doubt Cosmo broke the WW world record by 30 seconds, but by the time you're that established it's probably become enough of a staple of the stream that it's hard to get rid of.
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Oct 16, 2013 22:41
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Facecams are most tolerable during really personality-heavy vids. Consider the video Rooster Teeth did with the Rage Quit guy playing Slender. The point of the videos was really "This guy and his friend are losing their goddamn minds", not "Here is a game". And in that context the facecam was...at least rationally connected to the artistic objective.
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Oct 16, 2013 23:20
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Sorites posted:Facecams are most tolerable during really personality-heavy vids. Consider the video Rooster Teeth did with the Rage Quit guy playing Slender. The point of the videos was really "This guy and his friend are losing their goddamn minds", not "Here is a game". And in that context the facecam was...at least rationally connected to the artistic objective. Also it was pretty obvious from context that they were taking the piss out of people who do lovely facecam LPs of Slender, judging from the bit where Gavin nearly jumped into Michael's lap.
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Oct 16, 2013 23:59
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Jsor posted:but by the time you're that established it's probably become enough of a staple of the stream that it's hard to get rid of. Case in point, I follow a bunch of speedrunners on Twitch and some of them use facecam. Some use it regularly and some use it on a "if I feel like it" basis. If they decide that today they don't feel like adding the facecam to their stream, sometimes they'll get a bunch of actual, angry complaints in Twitch chat (and in some cases, even Twitter) asking why they don't have it on.
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Oct 17, 2013 00:26
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For speedrunners, facecam is a bit about showing who's ACTUALLY playing the game (and introducing themselves personally to a niche group), and a bit about creating dialogue with the viewers (especially after you know that runner is legit at X game). It's not necessary, but I don't hate when runners have it on. Also, I get to watch Withe messing around with a Wiggler while Funkdoc resets Batman or something for the 125th time, and that's always adorable.
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Oct 17, 2013 00:43
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I used to watch Purge's DOTA 2 videos when I was trying to learn the game and he has a little facecam in some unused part of the UI. It seemed dumb to me at first but one of the videos had his friend playing with him and trolling him by loving up his routine. He laughed it off the first few times since he was on-camera, but eventually he dropped all pretense of amusement and directly told his friend to stop that poo poo he's doing something important right now. He didn't bother to do a retake and I couldn't blame him considering matches could last over half an hour long. Sometimes facecams can be unintentionally entertaining. 
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Oct 17, 2013 04:13
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All this speedrunner and facecam talk reminds me of werster's blindfolded Pokemon Stadium 2 runs. Dunno if you could call it a facecam when he's under a blanket for over an hour. Well, it did prove he was blindfolded.
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Oct 17, 2013 11:15
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tiistai posted:All this speedrunner and facecam talk reminds me of werster's blindfolded Pokemon Stadium 2 runs. Dunno if you could call it a facecam when he's under a blanket for over an hour. In the same vein: Vicas including a footcam to prove that he was playing Mario 64 with his feet.
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Oct 17, 2013 15:38
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I'm having trouble putting my finger on why, but I don't quite mind the SDA camera on the players. I think there's a couple reasons. 1. It includes an audience behind the player, so it feels less vain. 2. It's in a totally separate window from the game. So you're not just putting yourself literally on top of the footage. 3. A speedrun's meant to show a specific way how to play a game. In other words, I'm not looking for a cool Amnesia run because I want to experience Amnesia secondhand - I already have experience with it, and want to see an expert playthrough. I guess it boils down to that I don't feel like speedrun cams get in the way.
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Oct 17, 2013 15:51
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Facecams outright don't fuss me at all unless it's a clear attempt to reel in viewers because of their ~hilarious reactions~ and what not. Streamers especially get a pass in this regard, whether or not they're speedrunners. A lot of guys actually try and run shows on twitch, go look up MANvsGAME for an excellent example of this (hey, he'd be a good restutalk guest if you want someone with years of experience in video game live stream money making). The guy puts a lot of effort in to the live mixing of his show and he has intros and intermissions and all that. He greenscreens himself so he's taking up as little of the game screen as possible. I like it because he addresses chat by looking directly at the camera and he's quite physical so seeing how he acts and reacts to chat is nice. As long as it isn't there as a focal point of the content rather than just a component of it, I'm usually fine.
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Oct 17, 2013 15:59
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I thought you guys would appreciate this gem from /r/letsplay:quote:What's wrong with [reading text in funny character voices]? People don't like to read, and it's annoying when they read it in their own voice because it takes you out of immersion. There are a couple cool people over there, but every once in a while I run across a comment like this that makes me do a double-take. Recently the subreddit banned posting LPs except in megathreads, so it's a bit less spammy now at least.
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Oct 17, 2013 18:17
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I can't explain the depths of my hatred for people reading on screen text out loud. I guess it is a strange thing to hate, but among bad LP habits it ranks up there with never editing out boring video and playing games on day one (which leads to a lot of the former). It's not necessary and it is rarely funny. The one thing I've noticed fairly often with people who read out every bit of text is that they forget the thing they read out loud moments before. I was watching someone play Guacamelee when I wasn't sure what it was and the game tells them the technique they need to use to beat an enemy. Four minutes of trial and error later they stumbled upon it by accident and expressed disbelief that the game didn't tell them what to do.
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Oct 17, 2013 18:35
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The only LPs I've ever seen where it's ok is when the LPer struggles through absolutely awful, misspelled text on purpose like when Lowtax and Shmorky do it. But then, they are actually funny people.
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Oct 17, 2013 19:00
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What bugs me more about someone reading text is that no matter how fast they read I can mentally take in information faster by just staring at the screen for a second or two. A old friend of mine recently got into LPing, and while he can be informative he refuses to stop reading and voice acting everything which makes it really tough to enjoy any of his LPs. (Though to his credit, he does an okay job at the voice acting, but it's still very obnoxious.)
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Oct 17, 2013 19:03
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I just found someone trying a new tactic attempting to circumvent the whole "first video gets the most views" thing - just trick people in to thinking all of the videos are Part 1!  (not that it worked for him either way)
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Oct 17, 2013 19:22
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And apparently every part contains both the intro and the ending. I heard the story was non-linear but this is ridiculous.
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Oct 17, 2013 19:30
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Sundowner posted:I just found someone trying a new tactic attempting to circumvent the whole "first video gets the most views" thing - just trick people in to thinking all of the videos are Part 1! Oh yeah that guy, I think he's been doing that for a while. He's not all that good, or at least I think so. dijon du jour posted:And apparently every part contains both the intro and the ending. I heard the story was non-linear but this is ridiculous. He does that for every Let's Play he does, if I remember correctly.
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Oct 17, 2013 19:32
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:The only LPs I've ever seen where it's ok is when the LPer struggles through absolutely awful, misspelled text on purpose like when Lowtax and Shmorky do it. And also most of the text popups are so small on the video that you couldn't read them if you wanted to.
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Lazyfire posted:I can't explain the depths of my hatred for people reading on screen text out loud. I guess it is a strange thing to hate, but among bad LP habits it ranks up there with never editing out boring video and playing games on day one (which leads to a lot of the former). It's not necessary and it is rarely funny. I just hate being read to in general. It's kind of okay in a classroom setting "<x> would you read <this passage> for us?" But outside of that it always feels kind of patronizing and I can always read faster than the person can speak (coherently at least). I also hate reading to people because it feels like I'm patronizing them, but also because as you hinted at, I have almost no reading comprehension when I read out loud. I can read pages of text out loud and have no clue what the hell what I just read. I have this problem when it's silent reading too, but only if I'm really tired or disinterested, it's almost all the time out loud. Something about focusing on forming words out loud just kills my ability to understand anything. e: And voice acting text could work fine... if you're like Tara Strong or something. Unfortunately most people aren't professional voice actors. And they don't know the difference between voice acting and making terrible voices. I was at a con once at a Q&A panel for a voice actor, and the sheer amount of people trying to introduce themselves to her with terrible voices was kind of embarrassing. Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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