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Heroes often get blamed for not doing more to help, but not usually for...like, dumb things that you'd have to bend over backwards to rationalize. It happens to Spider-Man and...possibly Batman, every once in a blue moon? I just really want to like Laurel -- her comic book counterpart is one of the coolest characters around -- but they've been saddling her with lame soap opera plots and lame family drama and now lame comic cliches that's making her far more of a hindrance to the protagonist than she's ever been a boon. It's no wonder nearly everyone wants to see Ollie end up with Felicity, the one who's actually his ally, instead of Laurel; they're treating Laurel like an obstacle for this guy to overcome.
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BrianWilly posted:her comic book counterpart is one of the coolest characters around Good thing we're still getting her without her being tied down to Laurel.
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Oct 17, 2013 05:58
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I am absolutely curious how they will write themselves out of that cliffhanger, or just roll with it (obviously not). Also really surprised that if they are going to set into motion Ollie vs. Slade so early on. They didn't even jump a year into the future on the island, just a few months after Fyres. The crazy WW2 science island plot is really cool but I'm more interested where they go with Ollie/Shado/Slade right now.
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Oct 17, 2013 06:12
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Sober posted:I am absolutely curious how they will write themselves out of that cliffhanger, or just roll with it (obviously not). As long as they go anywhere but love triangle.
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Oct 17, 2013 06:13
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Sober posted:I am absolutely curious how they will write themselves out of that cliffhanger, or just roll with it (obviously not). My guess is either Laurel's dad creates a distraction for him, or Black Canary was watching Oliver and comes to his rescue. Or he pulls out a wicked flashbang arrow and escapes. Now that China White has seen Diggle twice wouldn't she become suspicious of the Emerald Archer's secret identity?
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Oct 17, 2013 06:15
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You have got to be loving me with that ending. I have to wait a week for the outcome? 
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Eddain posted:Now that China White has seen Diggle twice wouldn't she become suspicious of the Emerald Archer's secret identity? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsjWtszp9t4 Ignore the South Park bits, this was the only clip from that episode of The Wire without major spoilers. But you get the point. AFoolAndHisMoney fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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Oct 17, 2013 06:40
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Eddain posted:Now that China White has seen Diggle twice wouldn't she become suspicious of the Emerald Archer's secret identity? It was dark and it's not like Diggle is a widely-known figure. The only way she would ever see them together would be if Diggle was in the background of some Ollie-centric news footage, and I can't imagine China White watches a lot of the tabloid-style news in which Ollie tends to show up.
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Oct 17, 2013 07:13
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God I love how Arrow liberally introduces DC universe characters. Like, every episode. Sometimes multiple comic book characters per episode. 2 last episode, 2 this episode, and then at least one other one next week.
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Oct 17, 2013 07:51
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Show owns. I mean, what else is there to say? Besides I'm curious as to how my buddy, who I introduced to the show on Netflix and he plowed through the episodes, is dealing with how each week ends with a pretty awesome cliff hanger. I need to make that arrow theme a ring tone. It's such a great little jingle.
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Oct 17, 2013 08:20
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BrianWilly posted:Heroes often get blamed for not doing more to help, but not usually for...like, dumb things that you'd have to bend over backwards to rationalize. It happens to Spider-Man and...possibly Batman, every once in a blue moon? Who says you are supposed to like Lurel right now? Or that she'll stay a protagonist? They aren't bound by the comic book origin of her name to keep her an ally or turn her into Black Canary. Assuming it's all set in stone is kinda weird to me. Blood is already just so punchable but I trust the writers will only make him more so as time goes on.
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Oct 17, 2013 08:31
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Well they changed Ollie and Slade and Roy a lot from the comics, but I still like them. Hell, I like Slade here at least 958 times more than comic book Deathstroke. No matter what Laurel's role is, no matter how different from the comics, even it's as an outright antagonist, I should at the very least enjoy seeing her.
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SirDan3k posted:Who says you are supposed to like Lurel right now? Or that she'll stay a protagonist? They aren't bound by the comic book origin of her name to keep her an ally or turn her into Black Canary. Assuming it's all set in stone is kinda weird to me. And as brought up before, who says she has to own up to reality in the face of a devastating tragedy? Especially after you consider her character: middle class upbringing, close enough to wealth to be a girlfriend of Ollie's, became a defense attorney for the underprivileged in opposition to her father's role as a cop. This is a textbook case of White Privilege Liberal; she knows that there are struggles she never had to face, and she genuinely wants to help those who are less fortunate. Unfortunately, she jumps into it without a full appreciation of what she already has. However noble her intentions, her work with the non-profit was always going to be a little bit selfish because she needed to define herself by it. So Laurel didn't stay behind because she was "stupid"; she stayed to preserve the proof that she was ever alive, not realizing that doing the work to begin with was proof enough. A character like hers would absolutely buy into the romantic notion of a vigilante -- a literal Robin Hood figure, natch -- that helped the same class of people she was trying to help. A character like hers would absolutely overreact at the first crack in that notion, and she would NEVER be able to admit, on her own, that it may have been a little bit her fault, or even that life just sucks and Tommy (sorry for this) couldn't make his saving throw. (Comic-to-show stuff follows, hope this isn't too obnoxious.) If the staff does intend to eventually make Laurel the Black Canary, I wouldn't be surprised if the road ahead involves a MASSIVE reality check visited on her by the current BC, or even just a further variation on her quixotic characterization. And I say all that as someone who could take or leave Katie Cassidy in this role. Honest. A better actress could have allowed all this to go unsaid. (If this sounds rambly to you, wait until tomorrow afternoon to kick my rear end for it. I reserve the right to edit for clarity later since it's loving 4:30 in the morning right now.) (Writing fuckin' essays defending the worst character on a fuckin' CW show, I'm getting fuckin' red-texted for this, I can tell...)
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ShakeZula posted:It was dark and it's not like Diggle is a widely-known figure. The only way she would ever see them together would be if Diggle was in the background of some Ollie-centric news footage, and I can't imagine China White watches a lot of the tabloid-style news in which Ollie tends to show up. She already saw them together back at the beginning of season 1. Ollie saved Diggle at the time no less witth his archer skills so if China White counts 1 and 1 together its not improbable she can figure out his identity.
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Oct 17, 2013 09:37
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The police in this show. FEMA trucks getting robbed of vital medical supply for the needy in the glades? Don't bother with stopping it, just secretly observe them in case the vigilante shows up.  Show is still great, I care for most of the characters, no matter if I hate or love them.
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Oct 17, 2013 09:49
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Basically the lesson is to not ever join a governmental service in Starling City because there is a high probability you're going to get killed for little to no reason. Even the Starling PD is hardly immune to that.
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I do have to say, the fact that multiple FEMA trucks had been robbed and there were no police or more likely military escorts really spoiled the plot for this one. Like, it was aggressively bad. I wish they could have brought that up or something so it could have been dismissed and story'd over. I know Police don't patrol there anymore, but an escort to the hospital would have been pretty SOP, I would imagine, especially after a truck robbery and murders. I also feel a little sexist and *male gaze*-y bringing this up but holy poo poo the actress who plays Felicity wore the gently caress outta the pink and grey onesie dress. You could see her belly button when she walked.  Her outfits are a little inappropriate for the workplace, is what I thought for about two seconds. I guess Laurel is too straight arrow  to wear non-pants suit stuff. Felicity is the character who gets to be the cheese. At least her character itself is nice and interesting.Alright, fuckit, Diggle's a handsome guy, too. He should have a clause in his contract that shows him and Queen shirtless training more, with the escrima sticks or whatever. Or they should do pull-up hop races to the ceiling. Green Arrow & Black Driver forever.
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If Diggle keeps helping Ollie in his exploits, then he needs a superhero persona of his own! There is a perfectly good Arsenal identity that no one is using at the moment.
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I'd rather Diggle made his own identity. He's one of the most likeable characters on the show and surprising in just how interesting he became- I think he can stand on his own without needing to crib someone else's title. Plus he's in the comics now, where Roy has taken Arsenal instead.
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e X posted:If Diggle keeps helping Ollie in his exploits, then he needs a superhero persona of his own! There is a perfectly good Arsenal identity that no one is using at the moment. I dunno... I'm suddenly really digging "Black Driver". :P
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SirDan3k posted:Who says you are supposed to like Lurel right now? Or that she'll stay a protagonist? They aren't bound by the comic book origin of her name to keep her an ally or turn her into Black Canary. Assuming it's all set in stone is kinda weird to me. Nobody is assuming. It is set in stone.
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I've never read the comics (or any comics really!) so this is probably out there but did no-one else think Uranium mine or something for what they found on the island? Felicity probably shouldn't try stomping off angrily when wearing that dress. I did laugh at the *deep breath* 1..2..3.. after her latest innuendo calamity. As for the Diggle thing with China White, Oliver was on the news for minutes on end talking to Diggle whilst the anchor droned on only a few days earlier and he usually is in shot when Queen is shown for anything. His face is out there.
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Felicity has clearly been doing squats, and I like that a lot.  
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I hate to see her go, but I love to watch her leave.  Pringles_School posted:She already saw them together back at the beginning of season 1. Ollie saved Diggle at the time no less witth his archer skills so if China White counts 1 and 1 together its not improbable she can figure out his identity. I can't imagine there would be a good reason they would have a scene together where he was not wearing his mask if this wasn't something they plan on building up to. raditts fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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I'm so glad we've reached a point as a society where we're making gifs of a woman's rear end. The 21st century is a beautiful place.
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Rarity posted:I'm so glad we've reached a point as a society where we're making gifs of a woman's rear end. The 21st century is a beautiful place. That has been happening since gifs were invented Rarity, come on now.
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And let's be fair, the very first two pictures in this very thread were of Ollie's wonderful moobs.
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BrianWilly posted:And let's be fair, the very first two pictures in this very thread were of Ollie's wonderful moobs. And really, showing off beautiful, sexy people is like 50% of the reason this show exists in the first place.
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And Felicity mainly stands out for her technical skills and character (ie. much less willing to accept collateral damage etc.), her sex appeal is not her defining feature.
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Taffer posted:You have got to be loving me with that ending. I have to wait a week for the outcome? This is the first time in a while I've had this reaction as well. Not sure how that's going to be resolved. Torrannor posted:And Felicity mainly stands out for her technical skills and character (ie. much less willing to accept collateral damage etc.), her sex appeal is not her defining feature. Merlinicus fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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This show is something of an equal opportunist when it comes to objectifying its characters. And I don't know if I first read about it here, but I would be totally down for a Slade/Ollie/Shado love triangle, but with Slade crushing on Ollie instead of Shado. That, would probably be unexpected.
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This show is beautiful in its equal portrayal of gorgeous men and women. It's utterly shameless, and that's a wonderful thing.
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hi liter posted:This show is something of an equal opportunist when it comes to objectifying its characters. Kinda like that "nude" promo shot of Diggle holding Thea that cropped up in the old thread? Azhais fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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Sober posted:Felicity has clearly been doing squats, and I like that a lot. It's a common phenomenon for actors (of both genders) who get their big break on TV. In the offseason between season 1 and 2 they hit the gym like mad because "Oh poo poo, I'm in the public eye constantly now"
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Aphrodite posted:It's a common phenomenon for actors (of both genders) who get their big break on TV. It also wouldn't surprise me to see her doing some action shots now that she's an official part of the team
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Azhais posted:It also wouldn't surprise me to see her doing some action shots now that she's an official part of the team Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this show had an offseason bootcamp type of thing. Probably not necessary for Amell though. That guy seems like he has a salmon ladder installed instead of stairs in his house. He probably parkours to work. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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DivisionPost posted:And as brought up before, who says she has to own up to reality in the face of a devastating tragedy? Especially after you consider her character: middle class upbringing, close enough to wealth to be a girlfriend of Ollie's, became a defense attorney for the underprivileged in opposition to her father's role as a cop. This is a textbook case of White Privilege Liberal; she knows that there are struggles she never had to face, and she genuinely wants to help those who are less fortunate. Unfortunately, she jumps into it without a full appreciation of what she already has. However noble her intentions, her work with the non-profit was always going to be a little bit selfish because she needed to define herself by it. So Laurel didn't stay behind because she was "stupid"; she stayed to preserve the proof that she was ever alive, not realizing that doing the work to begin with was proof enough. Another thing to consider... when the slums were all but destroyed, everything was at its worst, and the city (and Laurel) needed the vigilante the most, and Laurel started doubting him... he then completely disappeared for - weeks? months? - and gave those doubts plenty of time to fester. Yeah, Laurel's still being irrational, but it's another little bit of insight as to why. Also, that rant she went on about how the Hood was more concerned with selfish vengeance than with actually helping people? She's kinda 100% right about that. Yeah, he's changing now, but she doesn't have the benefit of knowing any of that. I'd give her a couple more episodes to come around before condemning her.
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Sober posted:Felicity has clearly been doing squats, and I like that a lot. All I need now is a scene where she's using the salmon ladder & my life is complete
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raditts posted:And really, showing off beautiful, sexy people is like 50% of the reason Fixed that for you. RndmCnflct posted:Yeah, Laurel killed Tommy by being a dumbass and now she's trying to kill Oliver. Shows that use incompetence as a major way to drive the plot are starting to get annoying. See but it's not just her being an idiot about this stuff. Starling City's taking the whole Undertaking out on Oliver too, and for that matter if Moira hadn't come forward, then a ton more people would be dead (and she'd probably be free). Like I realize it's a comic-book trope, but it's really annoying to watch. Overall though, I really like the show. Arrow : Batman Begins :: Leverage : Ocean's 11. I approve.
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