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The only thing I liked about that angle is Slaughter doing a tremendously maudlin but very effective promo afterwards where he broke down crying and saying he wanted his country back (while in full Sarge gear, standing in a classroom). I haven't been able to find it in years.
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I always had a soft spot for the Survivor Series match that year where Slaughter's team all got beaten without Slaughter getting in, then he came in and single handedly beat everyone on the other team. Except Tito Santana, as he got DQed. You can't say they didn't go all out in at least trying to make him a monster heel.
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VogeGandire posted:Yeah, the Slaughter title reign absolutely CRASHED numbers. I remember reading some kind of WWE-produced publication probably a decade ago where they bragged about what an accomplishment it was for them to fit everybody who had already bought tickets into the smaller venue. I give them credit for going all out spinning that story even ten years later.
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budreck posted:I always heard that the homophobic elements of the Goldust character came as a result of fans chanting slurs in the first two months of his debut.
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DeathChicken posted:I always had a soft spot for the Survivor Series match that year where Slaughter's team all got beaten without Slaughter getting in, then he came in and single handedly beat everyone on the other team. Except Tito Santana, as he got DQed. You can't say they didn't go all out in at least trying to make him a monster heel. The best part of that match was that Santana's team was billed as The American Alliance or something like that and entered to patriotic music to defend America and such. His teammates were Nikolai Volkoff and the Bushwhackers.
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Halloween Jack posted:Dustin has said that when Vince called him up to offer him the gimmick, "he wouldn't say gay, but he kept repeating 'androgynous.'" Also, "ambiguous."
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jeffersonlives posted:Slaughter was probably the coldest heel Hogan worked a significant program with in his entire 84-93 initial WWF run. The kind of heat Slaughter had was go away/"why are you doing this tremendously insensitive angle" type heat (and it was pretty limited), and they tried everything because Vince thought it was such a loving masterstroke. Maybe I'm just caught up in the heat Sarge got for stealing the belt from Warrior. Then again, why did they draw the Iraqi sympathizer angle out past WM?
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The first I heard about the Iraqi Sgt. Slaughter gimmick was on the Greatest Stars of the 80's DVD, and in retrospect it's surprising they gave it so much time.
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Here's the promo where he turns back into U.S. loving face again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kaXlbjHLqw Different than I remember. Might have been multiple promos.
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Red posted:Maybe I'm just caught up in the heat Sarge got for stealing the belt from Warrior. Typical Vince beating a dead horse poo poo
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Part of me really loves the Iraqi Sympathizer gimmick and I may have to see how many vignettes I can dig up for tomorrow's Nitro intermission.
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Slaughter's return in 1990 seemed to be a far more interested character to me: an American heel sickened by the fact that the country had, in his mind, gone soft. The hostilities in Kuwait took things in a different direction, but an anti-American American is far more interesting to me than a turncoat Iraqi sympathizer.
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After a short youtube search I have found enough batshit Slaughter Iraqi Sympathizer material to fill its own night. It is more insane than I remembered. If you like gifts, fire and such tomorrow night is going to be fun.
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Halloween Jack posted:Dustin has said that when Vince called him up to offer him the gimmick, "he wouldn't say gay, but he kept repeating 'androgynous.'" Meanwhile nobody said a thing when at the same time Shawn Michaels was parading around in the gayest outfit I've ever seen outside of a pride parade, and a lot of the outfits in one too. sticklefifer fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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sticklefifer posted:Meanwhile nobody said a thing when at the same time Shawn Michaels was parading around in the gayest outfit I've ever seen outside of a pride parade, and a lot of the outfits in one too. Speaking as a gay man, you'll be hard-pressed to top Brutus Beefcake without doing so intentionally.   It was funny watching the cutouts of his pants rise higher and wider with each consecutive PPV appearance.
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sticklefifer posted:Meanwhile nobody said a thing when at the same time Shawn Michaels was parading around in the gayest outfit I've ever seen outside of a pride parade, and a lot of the outfits in one too. I remember seeing a video of a fan outside a WWF event talking about Shawn Michaels posing for Playgirl and shouting,"I GOT NEWS FOR YOU SHAWN MICHAELS IT AIN'T LADIES THAT READ THAT MAGAZINE!  "
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Ghostpilot posted:Speaking as a gay man, you'll be hard-pressed to top Brutus Beefcake without doing so intentionally. Fair point. HBK never had Brutus's assless mesh tights. Also I like how the white outfit is Marilyn Monroe's Seven Year Itch dress with the skirt cut off and the rest slashed to ribbons. Plus zebra stripes for no reason. Lookin' real tough, Ed Leslie. sticklefifer fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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Ghostpilot posted:It was funny watching the cutouts of his pants rise higher and wider with each consecutive PPV appearance. It was OSWReview that made me notice: He wore the same outfit at every wrestlemania up to about WM4, just with more and more cut away and replaced with mesh.
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Brutus Beefcake was entirely intentional, and was Vince's oh so subtle attempts to appeal to a gay audience, even down to his billing from San Francisco. Other fun Brutus facts: post wrestling he worked for the MBTA public transport service in Boston, a career move than was shortly lived after somone saw a bag of mysterious white powder hanging out of his pocket which in turn led to the entire network being shut down due to an anthrax scare. It later turned out that the white powder was cocaine, and brother Brutus was fired on the spot.
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As someone who didn't watch him in his (snort) heyday, Brutus Beefcake's existence bothers me. So his name is Brutus Beefcake, then he wins a hair match and becomes Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake. Like, you don't give a nickname to a guy whose billed name is already a nickname. Then he had six gimmicks in five years, and honestly all of them were better names than "Brutus 'the Barber' Beefcake." I just really hate that name.
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Halloween Jack posted:As someone who didn't watch him in his (snort) heyday, Brutus Beefcake's existence bothers me. So his name is Brutus Beefcake, then he wins a hair match and becomes Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake. Like, you don't give a nickname to a guy whose billed name is already a nickname. Then he had six gimmicks in five years, and honestly all of them were better names than "Brutus 'the Barber' Beefcake." Dude had SIXTEEN gimmicks over his career. As far as I know, that's a record.
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Halloween Jack posted:As someone who didn't watch him in his (snort) heyday, Brutus Beefcake's existence bothers me. So his name is Brutus Beefcake, then he wins a hair match and becomes Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake. Like, you don't give a nickname to a guy whose billed name is already a nickname. Then he had six gimmicks in five years, and honestly all of them were better names than "Brutus 'the Barber' Beefcake." He and Greg Valentine had an awesome tag team name, though - The Dream Team.
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drat, I can't argue with that. That's more than Ottman, Tenta, or Shaw. (What is it with sloppy fat guys getting a bunch of gimmicks in early 90s WWF?)
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While I was searching for Slaughter begging for his country back, I found a interview where told Arda orcal two things (both which are likely bullshit, although one is somewhat believable) 1) Originally, he was supposed to manage Jack Swagger, bigoted patriot. 2) Bruce Willis bumped him from the G.I. Joe movie.
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What was the deal with "Big Dick Johnson"? Was it just one of those things that Vince found hilarious? Like I realize he was one of the writers, but it's odd that he was in so many TV segments, most of which were in the PG era IIRC.
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Minidust posted:What was the deal with "Big Dick Johnson"? Was it just one of those things that Vince found hilarious? I think it's just one of those weird things Vince found hilarious. And I believe most of his TV segments were in the "Ruthless Aggression" era.
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Minidust posted:What was the deal with "Big Dick Johnson"? Was it just one of those things that Vince found hilarious? He was one of the writers in WWE at the time, and the gimmick was originally a punishment over some petty bullshit.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:He was one of the writers in WWE at the time, and the gimmick was originally a punishment over some petty bullshit. Yep, WWE is a terrible place to work.
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Red posted:Yep, WWE is a terrible place to work. Still beats the ever loving crap out of TNA
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I want to know why people are forgetting the Goldust / Rowdy Roddy Piper Hollywood Back Lot Brawl Match. That match was awesome.
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Onmi posted:Still beats the ever loving crap out of TNA Let's all just agree that being a carny is a terrible path to take in life.
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The funny part is these writers are actually not carnies. They're the struggling writers with MFAs and a script under their arm that are a dime a dozen in LA. Picturing Vince blowing a gasket and being all, "Who put mustard on my god drat steak-wrap? Get in that thong!" to some self-entitled douchebag who has to be a writer because they think any job that isn't writing is a fate worse than death will never not be funny to me.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:The funny part is these writers are actually not carnies. They're the struggling writers with MFAs and a script under their arm that are a dime a dozen in LA. Picturing Vince blowing a gasket and being all, "Who put mustard on my god drat steak-wrap? Get in that thong!" to some self-entitled douchebag who has to be a writer because they think any job that isn't writing is a fate worse than death will never not be funny to me.
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Because it makes me feel good about myself.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:The funny part is these writers are actually not carnies. They're the struggling writers with MFAs and a script under their arm that are a dime a dozen in LA. Picturing Vince blowing a gasket and being all, "Who put mustard on my god drat steak-wrap? Get in that thong!" to some self-entitled douchebag who has to be a writer because they think any job that isn't writing is a fate worse than death will never not be funny to me. Chris DeJoseph, the writer in question, is one of the few ex-WWE writers who isn't a complete douche, so you're a little off the mark on that one. And even if he was, that's still no excuse for Vince to humiliate someone on TV for months because of backstage poo poo that doesn't matter, and it creates both a lovely work environment and a lovely TV product because Vince's weird pathology booking doesn't really draw any money.
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I truly wonder what the WWE will look like once Vince dies. Will HHH air out his public shamings on TV or is he above that kind of behavior?
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Big Poppa posted:I want to know why people are forgetting the Goldust / Rowdy Roddy Piper Hollywood Back Lot Brawl Match. That match was awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1z58lVg234 Two crazy bastards making the most of the booking.
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Bigass Moth posted:I truly wonder what the WWE will look like once Vince dies. Will HHH air out his public shamings on TV or is he above that kind of behavior?
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DeJoseph has been fairly open and positive about his time with WWE in the past. Dude didnt really mind getting oiled up and dancing every now and then. He got to party with The Boys on overseas tours for his contributions.
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ChikoDemono posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1z58lVg234 Vince: "This is VINTAGE Piper!" I imagine Vince is screaming that into the mic everytime before Cole says "this is Vintage 'X'!"
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