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Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

More fleshed out options and events for the nondemocracies is pretty high up on my Victoria 2 wishlist, playing commies or fashists just never felt right, and the bloody jacobins never go away :argh:

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Nuworm
Dec 28, 2007
I don't regret this title.
So I'm making a Let's Mod EU4 thread and PM'd a paradox moderator if it would be OK to publish it on Paradox Forums/Steam Workshop. I was pretty naive about the relationship of SA and paradox so his response was pretty funny.

Castellon posted:

We will not be associated with that forum in anyway. You pretty much could not have picked a worse forum to mention. We have been subject to some nasty attacks from that forum in the past.

I take that as a solid no.

What have you guys done to make them so upset? The only thing I've seen in the threads are "The games are buggy on release"(true)/ and DLC whining. The same happens on their forums so something else must of happened.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


That's hilarious when we consider that a handful of Paradox Devs are goons now. I don't know what made their community manager so cranky about us, but I do remember that only a few months ago any URL to Something Awful was censored in their forums.

MLKQUOTEMACHINE
Oct 22, 2012

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill
Maybe someone helldumped a paradox person back in the day. v:v:v

I can think of a dozen possibles for why paradox's community manager hates SA.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

ZearothK posted:

That's hilarious when we consider that a handful of Paradox Devs are goons now. I don't know what made their community manager so cranky about us, but I do remember that only a few months ago any URL to Something Awful was censored in their forums.

SA has been word-filtered on Pdox for at least six years.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I think part of it is that SA used to have quite a bit of NWS content. Or maybe we're right about their forums running on an old PC beneath Johan's desk and they're still stinging over that.

cool new Metroid game
Oct 7, 2009

hail satan

Someone should tell Johan that he's not to be associated with this forum in any way. Poor guy.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

Autonomous Monster posted:

SA has been word-filtered on Pdox for at least six years.

Except it hasn't been for like a year now?

But we are sick of you guys criticising our wallpaper and that's why we can't be forum-friends.

Dibujante
Jul 27, 2004

Megadyptes posted:

Someone should tell Johan that he's not to be associated with this forum in any way. Poor guy.
I refuse to surrender Wiz to the authorities.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

Darkrenown posted:

Except it hasn't been for like a year now?

But we are sick of you guys criticising our wallpaper and that's why we can't be forum-friends.

You sure you aren't getting rid of it? I'd... take it off your hands, really. For proper disposal, of course.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Darkrenown posted:

Except it hasn't been for like a year now?

But we are sick of you guys criticising our wallpaper and that's why we can't be forum-friends.

That wall-paper is the tackiest thing I've ever seen and I'll be boycotting all games distributed by Paradox that aren't developed by PDS or part of the Magicka and Mount & Blade franchises until you change that monstrosity.

MLKQUOTEMACHINE
Oct 22, 2012

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill
That wallpaper made me lose my faith in humanity. I don't know if I can ever trust again, Paradox.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

ZearothK posted:

That's hilarious when we consider that a handful of Paradox Devs are goons now. I don't know what made their community manager so cranky about us, but I do remember that only a few months ago any URL to Something Awful was censored in their forums.

If I had to interact with the paradox forums as part of my job I wouldn't let them know I posted here for fun either.

Star
Jul 15, 2005

Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.
Fallen Rib

V for Vegas posted:

Well that was much ado about nothing. Smashed the crap out of them even outnumbered 2:1.
Not only were you 5 tech levels above them - which in itself would make the fight laughingly easy - but you're a western power and they're not, so your troops are western while they have Indian units. This means that you will pretty much always smash them unless outnumbered 5 or 10 to 1, or perhaps even a higher ratio.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

Darkrenown posted:

Except it hasn't been for like a year now?

But we are sick of you guys criticising our wallpaper and that's why we can't be forum-friends.

Just a heads up - your wallpaper is so goofy that it gives adjoining office suites a Casus Belli to 'Force Wallpaper Change'. :colbert:

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011

Fintilgin posted:

Just a heads up - your wallpaper is so goofy that it gives adjoining office suites a Casus Belli to 'Force Wallpaper Change'. :colbert:

Man, this is the start of some nerdy-rear end Dozens right here.

wukkar
Nov 27, 2009
Darkrenown and Johan should have read the SA ToS which they agreed to when they registered here more closely. It never said that by posting on here, they weren't legally giving us ownership of their wallpaper. :smug:

I have some great ideas for what wallpaper you should install instead. You are welcome to come check them out in my mother's basement in Portugal.

wukkar fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Oct 17, 2013

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Darkrenown posted:

Except it hasn't been for like a year now?

Huh, really? Sounds like Castellon's still mad, though.

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



So my brother bought me Vicky II after years of trying to convince me to get into it, and I think I've got the hang of most of it. I played to 1880 as Argentina before realizing I couldn't get rid of my ruling party nonviolently and was falling behind enough to miss colonization and stuff entirely. I tried a few other powers but the USA and it's democracy/industrial base seems a little too much to start with, since I had so much fun/learned a lot industrializing Argentina. I realized that I was basically vexed by literacy and government type, so I decided to try a game as Sweden to see if I can make myself a nice little secondary/primary power.

It seems like what I want to do is encourage cultural stuff until I can get primary, then sphere Denmark and create Scandinavia. I'm sorta trying to do that, but I guess I'm wondering a few things about how to deal with all this liberalism. So far I've been inculcating consciousness instead of militancy, hoping that I can institute reforms and then appoint a conservative party anyway until I can get to the point of state socialism. Is that the right idea? When people get too agitated I'll just send some soldiers there for awhile and my revolt risk seems nil, but people keep calling for the king's head and poo poo. I've already abandoned Finland and researched the first cultural prestige thing and now I'm moving on to the second. Should I keep going that way or maybe start looking at stuff for pop growth like medicine, then ideological stuff, then industrial stuff? A

Also, should I go for 2% clergymen even though my lit is already above 50%? First thing I did was get admin to 100% everywhere via bureaucrats, and it seems like maybe encouraging artisans/laborers in preparation for industrialization might be better, but clergy also help me keep the conservative balance.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Can someone fill me in on the wallpaper? I'm a bit lost...

Trujillo
Jul 10, 2007

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Can someone fill me in on the wallpaper? I'm a bit lost...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoF84KVR9F8&t=33s

James The 1st
Feb 23, 2013

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Can someone fill me in on the wallpaper? I'm a bit lost...
The wall paper where Paradox does its videos is a picture of a book shelf.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Autonomous Monster posted:

Huh, really? Sounds like Castellon's still mad, though.

I imagine he gave a pre-written official response rather than said what he personally feels. I imagine Paradox policy with respect to SA is just a bit antiquated.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Can someone fill me in on the wallpaper? I'm a bit lost...

Some folks argued at one point that Paradox's wallpaper in their video was demonstrative of poor taste, which might have led to people believing that the same bad taste would affect Paradox's games and so should have been replaced.

Their argument was quickly laughed out of the thread.

Seriously, though, what's got Castellon's knickers in a knot? I can't recall anything SA did in particular to Paradox for ages.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

James The 1st posted:

The wall paper where Paradox does its videos is a picture of a book shelf.

It's their 'Rest of the World' historical research library. :haw:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Fandyien posted:

Also, should I go for 2% clergymen even though my lit is already above 50%? First thing I did was get admin to 100% everywhere via bureaucrats, and it seems like maybe encouraging artisans/laborers in preparation for industrialization might be better, but clergy also help me keep the conservative balance.

You should actually go for 4.0% Clergymen
2.0% is when the Research Point contribution from Clergymen caps out, but Clergymen will continue increase the rate of literacy gain until 4.0%

And yes, more literacy is always better - you get more RP from literacy all the way to 100%, and I think you need somewhere in the area of 60-70% literacy for people start promoting naturally to Clerks, and further for Clerks to start promoting naturally to Capitalists.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

Fintilgin posted:

It's their 'Rest of the World' historical research library. :haw:

Oh man, that's harsh.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Tomn posted:

Some folks argued at one point that Paradox's wallpaper in their video was demonstrative of poor taste, which might have led to people believing that the same bad taste would affect Paradox's games and so should have been replaced.

Their argument was quickly laughed out of the thread.

Seriously, though, what's got Castellon's knickers in a knot? I can't recall anything SA did in particular to Paradox for ages.

Yeah it's a bit weird since SA seems to be one of the bigger evangelists for Paradox games. I know I ended up getting CK2 and Victoria 2 based on the stuff I've seen on here in the Paradox thread or from Wiz's LPs.

cock hero flux
Apr 17, 2011



Fintilgin posted:

Just a heads up - your wallpaper is so goofy that it gives adjoining office suites a Casus Belli to 'Force Wallpaper Change'. :colbert:

They should Westernize their wallpaper and make it look like a shelf full of Kindles.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

axeil posted:

Yeah it's a bit weird since SA seems to be one of the bigger evangelists for Paradox games. I know I ended up getting CK2 and Victoria 2 based on the stuff I've seen on here in the Paradox thread or from Wiz's LPs.

Considering the amount of paradox staff that joined SA and goons that were hired by Paradox it's like we're pretty much got a royal marriage going on here. Where is the bad blood coming from? Is Castellon sending an insult to lower our relations out of fears of a personal union forming or something?

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Baronjutter posted:

Considering the amount of paradox staff that joined SA and goons that were hired by Paradox it's like we're pretty much got a royal marriage going on here. Where is the bad blood coming from? Is Castellon sending an insult to lower our relations out of fears of a personal union forming or something?

He's just responding to an event, the other choice would have cost prestige and stability.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

Fintilgin posted:

It's their 'Rest of the World' historical research library. :haw:

:qq:

I have no idea about the "No SA" policy, although there is a general rule against linking to other forums. SA was word filtered before I started and was only unblocked last year when Podcat and me complained.

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



gradenko_2000 posted:

You should actually go for 4.0% Clergymen
2.0% is when the Research Point contribution from Clergymen caps out, but Clergymen will continue increase the rate of literacy gain until 4.0%

And yes, more literacy is always better - you get more RP from literacy all the way to 100%, and I think you need somewhere in the area of 60-70% literacy for people start promoting naturally to Clerks, and further for Clerks to start promoting naturally to Capitalists.

My brother said something about Clergy at above 2% being a roadblock later on, I think for consciousness? I was thinking maybe manually promoting clerks could achieve a similar research increase?

Also, so my prestige strategy worked-ish, because I'm rank 8 in prestige and industry but still a secondary power. Do I have to just straight up conquer Denmark, because if so, I feel like I should probably get on that now by focussing on military stuff for a few years and acquiring Copenhagen.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

Fandyien posted:

My brother said something about Clergy at above 2% being a roadblock later on, I think for consciousness? I was thinking maybe manually promoting clerks could achieve a similar research increase?

Also, so my prestige strategy worked-ish, because I'm rank 8 in prestige and industry but still a secondary power. Do I have to just straight up conquer Denmark, because if so, I feel like I should probably get on that now by focussing on military stuff for a few years and acquiring Copenhagen.

Clergymen lower CON passively, but (and this might have been introduced in a later change) once the literacy gets up, the amount that literacy increases CON more than compensates for what the clergy do to lower it.

If you're #8 in two things and decently ranked in the third (so like 16+?), you can just wait for a giant war between two powers to knock someone down a few pegs and then get promoted. Alternatively, just start promoting soldiers and build tanks. They seem to raise your military score most.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Nuworm posted:

So I'm making a Let's Mod EU4 thread and PM'd a paradox moderator if it would be OK to publish it on Paradox Forums/Steam Workshop. I was pretty naive about the relationship of SA and paradox so his response was pretty funny.


I take that as a solid no.

What have you guys done to make them so upset? The only thing I've seen in the threads are "The games are buggy on release"(true)/ and DLC whining. The same happens on their forums so something else must of happened.

Well if we're the worst, then maybe stormfront.org will be more palatable.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Chief Savage Man posted:

Well if we're the worst, then maybe stormfront.org will be more palatable.
This, fyi, is why we're the worst.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Nuworm posted:

So I'm making a Let's Mod EU4 thread and PM'd a paradox moderator if it would be OK to publish it on Paradox Forums/Steam Workshop. I was pretty naive about the relationship of SA and paradox so his response was pretty funny.


I take that as a solid no.

What have you guys done to make them so upset? The only thing I've seen in the threads are "The games are buggy on release"(true)/ and DLC whining. The same happens on their forums so something else must of happened.

That guy has no control over the steam workshop, and for the paradox forums honestly I'd just try to go above him. He's just a volunteer mod, ask someone like Johan instead.

As for what we did, err.... nothing? We've been involved in zero attacks on their forums so I don't know what he's talking about. Maybe he's just mad that we call them out on their posters' racism from time to time, but we never did any concentrated forum invasion bullshit or anything like that. Or maybe he's a big Magna Mundi/Ubik fanboy. Ubik got really mad at us before for not liking his mod.

Considering Wiz has released on their forums some of the mods he developed for his SA LPs and then later got hired for his efforts, I'm pretty sure whatever beef he has with us doesn't mean poo poo.

Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Oct 17, 2013

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
He has negative relations with us thanks to his manufactured Casus Belli.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Strudel Man posted:

This, fyi, is why we're the worst.

That's a pretty high bar for worst then.

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Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Chief Savage Man posted:

That's a pretty high bar for worst then.
I don't know, there's plenty of places on the internet that don't crank out racism accusations with quite the volume that SA does. Maybe that's just because they're all racist though, idk.

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