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Cruel and Unusual posted:The Remains of the Day is a goddamned masterpiece that unfolds beautifully and devastatingly. Read it someday. The movie version starring Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson is also really good. What's exceptionally pathetic is that the Onion A/V Club writer who came up with the term "Manic Pixie Dream Girl" (which is a loving stupid term, incidentally) used Holly Golightly as one of his examples. Right actress, wrong character. Classic TV Tropes. So close, yet so far.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:What's exceptionally pathetic is that the Onion A/V Club writer who came up with the term "Manic Pixie Dream Girl" (which is a loving stupid term, incidentally) used Holly Golightly as one of his examples. Right actress, wrong character. After hearing that Portal 2 was intentionally written to avoid spawning memes (after the first game spawned all of them) I have to wonder about how other creative types feel if/when they discover the depths of madness that their fans descend into. Especially if it's tropers thinking that the joke you came up with is the type of person to aspire to be and/or date.
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Oct 17, 2013 08:45
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Kalos posted:After hearing that Portal 2 was intentionally written to avoid spawning memes Funny how that turned out, since some people still haven't shut up about space.
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Thwack! posted:Here's what TVTropes thinks about this really sad and definitely not funny comic about an abused child. Holy poo poo. I don't even have words to describe how loving disgusting this is. Thank god they don't have an actual page for the thing. gently caress.
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Oct 17, 2013 14:27
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Flesnolk posted:Funny how that turned out, since some people still haven't shut up about space. I didn't say they did a good job.
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They have...lovingly cataloged every instance they could find of a dead character voiding their bowels at death. They've written more about poopin' dead bodies than, say, most literature. Jesus christ, tropers. What the gently caress is the matter with you? What's wrong with your brains? I'm sitting here, realizing that someone actually spent time thinking of these words, and then typing them. Just chillin' online, writing up examples of dead people crapping for TVTropes, talk about a fun friday night.  Very likely not okay for work/faith in humanity.   http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoDeadBodyPoops I'd post some quotes, but I really don't want to. Ugly In The Morning fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Oct 17, 2013 |
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Oct 17, 2013 18:29
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Ugly In The Morning posted:They have...lovingly cataloged every instance they could find of a dead character voiding their bowels at death. They've written more about poopin' dead bodies than, say, most literature. quote:Leina wets herself twice in the first episode of Queen's Blade. The second is a Bring My Brown Pants moment, but the first is this trope as she wets herself due to being strangled by Melona. quote:Originally a series of one-on-one combat gamebooks based on Lost Worlds. Lost Worlds let two players duel by exchanging books that represented different characters, with illustrations representing each action you could take. In 2005, Hobby Japan released a remake of the series, but instead of generic fantasy monsters, the characters of Queen's Blade were all women designed with a more ecchi slant. And thus the Fanservice began.
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Thwack! posted:Here's what TVTropes thinks about this really sad and definitely not funny comic about an abused child. You know, there aren't many people in this world who I'd like to see dead. I like to think I'm not a cruel person or some random internet tough girl or anything like that. I want the person who said this to die in a loving fire.
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How about this:TV Tropes/Vince Russo posted:Ultimately, Russo's "creative" output will give an observer the idea that his writing is done from a play book (or trope book, if you prefer) the size of a religious pamphlet, and that he has relied on this limited source of potential ideas for the majority of his career within professional wrestling, rehashing the same concepts and ideas in multiple companies with multiple (and sometimes, the very same) characters. 
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Oct 18, 2013 00:17
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Antivehicular posted:On one hand, it's a TVTropes writing contest, and that means nothing good will come of it. Fully aware that nothing good will come from this, I make a promise to the TV Tropes thread that once the tropers post their stories for that contest, I will read them, judge all of them, and declare my own winners.
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Oct 18, 2013 01:21
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Djeser posted:Fully aware that nothing good will come from this, I make a promise to the TV Tropes thread that once the tropers post their stories for that contest, I will read them, judge all of them, and declare my own winners. That would make winners of us all. Except for you. Godspeed.
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I'm also willing to participate in a TVTropes writing-contest judgeathon, probably because I hate myself.
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Assuming enough people can stand having their minds destroyed by troper fiction, having a vote would... be suitable.
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crowfeathers posted:Assuming enough people can stand having their minds destroyed by troper fiction, having a vote would... be suitable. 
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Oct 18, 2013 02:42
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Thwack! posted:Here's what TVTropes thinks about this really sad and definitely not funny comic about an abused child. Wow. That's one darkly brilliant comic. Is there any more of it? If so, where can I find it? I guess you could make a case that it's full of gallows humour. It's just that the humour serves to underscore the tragedy; it's a kind of despairing gasp at just how grotesque the family relationships have become. That would require nuance and a greater inters in human reality than list-making, though, so I guess LOL SO WRONG is all we're gonna get.
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Oct 18, 2013 10:05
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Apple Tree posted:Wow. That's one darkly brilliant comic. Is there any more of it? If so, where can I find it? Yeah, I think I'd give the benefit of the doubt here and say that the troper who wrote that comment isn't actually guffawing at the abuse but is trying to highlight the artist's use of dark humor and just worded it poorly. There is humor there and the artist is juxtaposing it with the cold parts because that's a strength of a cartoon medium. Really I'm more offended at the imgur uploader breaking it up to go "okay guys in case you don't GET this she's being MOLESTED, OK?!" Because gently caress subtext.
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Oct 18, 2013 11:43
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Apple Tree posted:Wow. That's one darkly brilliant comic. Is there any more of it? If so, where can I find it?
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Oct 18, 2013 11:47
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Apple Tree posted:Wow. That's one darkly brilliant comic. Is there any more of it? If so, where can I find it? It's like the opposite of a dark comedy, really. In a dark comedy the darkness just underscores the comedy, making the funny bits funnier by contrast. There's a whole lot of schadenfreude in there too. In this comic the little funny moments underscore and highlight the darkness. You laugh at something only to realize that you're laughing at a comic about an abused little girl, and that just makes it all the more tragic.
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Oct 18, 2013 12:07
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I was going to try to make everyone lose faith in humanity with Google Trends, but I was pleasantly surprised - "clarissa rule34" and clarissa rule 34" both have too little data to show anything for the graph! (And just to make sure there isn't a safesearch/etc issue, I had it check for other rule 34 searches and graphs could be made of those) I was overjoyed and had my hope in the human race restored, there was now a light at the end of the tunnel of endless human poo poo! But then I realized that any good scientist checks results in multiple ways, and I felt a sudden sinking sensation...  gently caress you. Just gently caress you, internet.
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Oct 18, 2013 12:23
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Sentient Data posted:I was going to try to make everyone lose faith in humanity with Google Trends, but I was pleasantly surprised - "clarissa rule34" and clarissa rule 34" both have too little data to show anything for the graph! (And just to make sure there isn't a safesearch/etc issue, I had it check for other rule 34 searches and graphs could be made of those) Yeah, good job looking up child porn I guess. We're all aware that sick poo poo probably exists but you had the good sense to get screen caps. Jesus.
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Oct 18, 2013 12:32
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Sentient Data posted:I was going to try to make everyone lose faith in humanity with Google Trends, but I was pleasantly surprised - "clarissa rule34" and clarissa rule 34" both have too little data to show anything for the graph! (And just to make sure there isn't a safesearch/etc issue, I had it check for other rule 34 searches and graphs could be made of those) The gently caress is wrong with you? You don't go looking for that poo poo to see if it exists, you just pray that it doesn't and never look any further into it.
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death .cab for qt posted:Glad to see the TVT thread is already back to circling the drain 25 pages. That must be a new record.
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On the plus side, we're getting some appreciation in for works that handle sexual abuse well. Shall we add Jane Smiley's A Thousand Acres to the list? Let's see...quote:Setting Update quote:Perspective Flip Deep, man. You'd think they'd invest a little more effort in a book they could add to their list of examples for that stupid 'Humans have ALWAYS SHARED STORIES, which means my Lestat/Spock hurt/comfort fic makes me EXACTLY LIKE JEAN RHYS' mantra. Okay, so maybe that's asking a little much. How about Bryan Talbot's The Tale of One Bad Rat? It's about child sexual abuse, it's good, it's a comic. They like comics, right? quote:Discussion Analysis Oh well. I guess at least we're spared their thoughts on whether it's really sexual abuse if you don't actually penetrate ohfuckit I don't think I'll even finish that sentence.
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So does the Sons of Anarchy page have like ten different "GUYS THIS IS KINDA HAMLET WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK?!" things on it? How are they so shocked and amazed by such a basic concept as 'I took a very old story and updated it for a modern audience to better relate to'?
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Sham bam bamina! posted:It's from this guy's Deep Fried anthology comic; you can get the trade paperback here. I don't think that there are any more Clarissa pages, though. There are--and they're a sledgehammer--but the author prefers they remain in print, not online. His Weapon Brown series is stunning, too.
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Sentient Data posted:I was going to try to make everyone lose faith in humanity with Google Trends, but I was pleasantly surprised - "clarissa rule34" and clarissa rule 34" both have too little data to show anything for the graph! (And just to make sure there isn't a safesearch/etc issue, I had it check for other rule 34 searches and graphs could be made of those) 
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Sentient Data posted:"clarissa rule34" and clarissa rule 34" Thanks for looking up child porn and sharing with us that you did so, I guess. The gently caress did you do that for?
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Metal Loaf posted:How about this: To be fair, Vince Russo would have KILLED for TV-Tropes around 2000. He could just lift entire storylines from it.
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Out of interest, is there a legit literary term for what TvTropes calls "expy"/"no celebrities were harmed"? Obviously a story where the whole plot or theme is lifted from real life events is a roman a clef, but I want to know if there's a specific term for a single character based on a real person being put into an original situation. While I was revising for an exam on Restoration Comedy I wanted to have a handy word to use to explain that most of the rake characters are based on the earl of Rochester and the king, but didn't know any except for the dumb fake TVTropes ones. Obviously I didn't use them because that would have been retarded, but I really feel like there is some specific name for the phenomenon and google didn't help me find it. I feel sorry for actual tropers though because they probably do this all the time (can't remember real literary terms because of browsing the site) and yet don't even see anything wrong with it.
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Oct 18, 2013 23:27
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"Stand-in" is pretty good, yeah. "Analogue", maybe?
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The closest I can think of is "archetype". Which doesn't entirely fit. Honestly I think the best way is to say that when someone uses the same characters over and over they're just "[best known example of the character type] with the serial numbers filed off".
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Speaking of Analogue:quote:Personally speaking I have a large Willing Suspension Of Disbelief. It's why I can enjoy Widget Series. So when I started Analogue and played through it, I could accept the Days Of Future Past and things like that. I could accept the overwhelming cynicism. I could accept a lot of things. Objectively speaking, it is an improved version of Digital A Love Story due to it's more complex plot and characters. Feminazi stole my ice-cream! (Also, it's been observed that Christine Love significantly underplayed Joseon Era sexism).
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Their page on the band LMFAO was a disappointment because I was expecting a page full of  nightmare fuel thanks to the Key & Peele sketch and it was mostly benign.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxWzsrj8bZE
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Man, not only is this sexist, it also doesn't understand the drat game at all. Did he even get to any material with *Mute? Not to mention the fact that the endgame makes a point of the fact that Hyun-ae's genocidal actions killed a lot of innocent people, people who valued their lives even if they hated their corrupt society, and that in general Hyun-ae being sympathetic doesn't mean her actions were morally right. Also, y'know, the man-hate is all directed at men who explicitly abused the people who hate them, but why go for reading comprehension when you've got some really great MISANDRY! to expose?
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Antivehicular posted:Man, not only is this sexist, it also doesn't understand the drat game at all. Did he even get to any material with *Mute? Not to mention the fact that the endgame makes a point of the fact that Hyun-ae's genocidal actions killed a lot of innocent people, people who valued their lives even if they hated their corrupt society, and that in general Hyun-ae being sympathetic doesn't mean her actions were morally right. Also, y'know, the man-hate is all directed at men who explicitly abused the people who hate them, but why go for reading comprehension when you've got some really great MISANDRY! to expose? The sad thing is that Analogue was written to demonstrate that those attitudes could easily crop up and take over again and that progress isn't as linear as people think. The fact that this guy completely missed that point and said that these are things that could never happen is telling and very frightening to me. But, you know, Misandry!! 
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Lady Naga posted:Now if only we could get Clarissa in here to explain it all. She went on a twitter spree explaining why TvTropes wrong.
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