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 With the election of Donnelly, Indiana had two senators who voted for the compromise bill the other night (House members were split 5-4 against, including Marlin "we don't know what we want" Stutzman), and according to Donnelly he was one of 14 senators who actually had a hand in drafting the compromise. I covered the party primary vote that got Stutzman on the ticket after Souder resigned because of an affair. Stutzman was one of maybe a dozen assholes who all gave speeches and they really liked to use props. quote:Also bidding for the seat were a car salesman, a TV news anchor, a healthcare administrator, and several politicians and attorneys. In their remarks, they variously attacked the Obama administration, dismissed their opponents, praised guns and condemned healthcare reform, and emphasized their years of political experience — or absolute lack of experience — as virtues.
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:I'm going to have to devote some serious Engels-reading time. I always leaned towards Marx because he was the more gifted philosopher of the two, but Engels was clearly a remarkable mind. Well that'd be a good excuse if it was true, he still holds those views, he refuses to talk about it in interviews lately. Also one of the reasons he won't do Hip Hip Against Homophobia. "Natural Beauty" by Immortal Technique posted:And men who don’t even like women control the business / That’s why the women look like men and the men like bitches I need some sources from you to show he isn't homophobic. Because he clearly is from how I see it, his wikipedia keeps having the homophobic criticism edited out which I find quite petty. He lists his issues as racism, world revolution, war, socialism, government control, rape, famine, colonialism, Classism, self-determination and the war in Iraq. No homophobia? I wonder why.... Also yeah his conspiracy theory is David Icke level  .If he has changed I'd give him benefit of the doubt.  Frank Ocean, Rapper who came out as being bisexual. Frank Ocean posted:I don't know what happens now, and that's alrite. I don't have any secrets I need kept anymore...I feel like a free man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-vTalGrztg Fluo fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Oct 18, 2013 |
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'excuse.' Dude hates the living gently caress out of homosexuals and isn't all that comfortable with women either, I won't deny it. I have nothing to defend -- I'm not a fan and I abhor the guy's politics (conspiracy theorists are always closer to the right than left). My question is only this: if '[growing] up in an impoverished, hyper-masculine world' isn't a good excuse, what is? The way you talk, the only acceptable excuse would be one furnished while he was already rejecting it. I'm happy to accept 'there isn't a good excuse' as an answer, but saying something 'isn't a good excuse' implies that there exists something, anything, that could serve as a good excuse. A curiously-titled rap album: 
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:I'm not sure what you mean by 'excuse.' Dude hates the living gently caress out of homosexuals and isn't all that comfortable with women either, I won't deny it. I have nothing to defend -- I'm not a fan and I abhor the guy's politics (conspiracy theorists are always closer to the right than left). Growing up in an impoverished, hyper-masculine world is a good excuse if you're 16. Not if you're 35, because then it's generally an excuse to have for your whole life. Like if you were in your 40s in US in the 80s and kept using the excuse that you grew up in the 50s to hand wave your awful opinions on race. 
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zoux posted:
It's always Mississippi. I wonder how it feels to be such a sad state.  They even ratified the 13th amendment in 2013
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:I'm going to have to devote some serious Engels-reading time. I always leaned towards Marx because he was the more gifted philosopher of the two, but Engels was clearly a remarkable mind. While Marx was the greater thinker of the two, Engels was much more versatile.  Pictured is a map of Paris and its surrounding fortifications. A central theme in Engels' military strategy was the fuckoff huge fortified camp, which is what the French turned Paris into during the 19th century (if you want to know why, Engels explains this as well). His basic idea was to garrison an entire army inside the city which was to conduct an active defence, making attacks and sorties at weak points in the besieging line, while the attackes had to spread themselves thin and try to take the outlying forts one by one, which would open them up to attack by the field armies. The events of 1870 would essentially prove him right, as Paris held up a considerable part of the German armies even without much of an army to defend it.
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Wheeee posted:Are there any right-wing politicians/public figures who aren't legitimately bad people?  Former Maine senator Olypmia Snowe And I don't know if he counts as right wing since he left the GOP and became independent in his last term and a half, but:  Former Vermont senator Jim Jeffords. DrBouvenstein fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Oct 18, 2013 |
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Fluo posted:Growing up in an impoverished, hyper-masculine world is a good excuse if you're 16. Not if you're 35, because then it's generally an excuse to have for your whole life. Like if you were in your 40s in US in the 80s and kept using the excuse that you grew up in the 50s to hand wave your awful opinions on race. It's possible to enjoy art in its context while noting its problems.  quote:Jedi Mind Tricks “Me Ne Shalto” Vinnie Paz posted:“I think the homophobia things is really just taken out of context from people in certain parts of the country or the world, with me, that was some (stuff) you said on the street. Like ‘Oh, dude is a (homosexual)’... it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with homosexuality. It was just some ignorant street (stuff), know what I mean?” Although Paz is pretty loving deep in with the David Icke crowd, too.
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serewit posted:It's possible to enjoy art in its context while noting its problems. What do you think of The Birth of a Nation?  
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Fluo posted:What do you think of The Birth of a Nation? Great production values, but the acting was a bit soft and the plot predictable. 
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Today I learned that calling people faggots is totally acceptable if you're a hip-hop artist. Cool!  Anyway here are some propaganda posters by German born stage designer Anthony Nellè.
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Fluo posted:What do you think of The Birth of a Nation? That's hardly fair. D.W. Griffith did more for film than Jedi Mind Tricks will ever do for rap. 
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Fluo posted:What do you think of The Birth of a Nation? I didn't really like it, but I don't think we should go around burning it or make it some sort of forbidden fruit. It can be critiqued like anything else, and I'd argue that in general society falters when we start condemning content without context. Just because someone holds terrible opinions doesn't mean their work should be stricken from the record, and even people with wrong opinions can be right sometimes (libertarians, for instance). Anyway,   edit - Victor Vermis posted:That's hardly fair. Also true.
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Stay Classy, Todd Kincannon. You know who else put people in camps? That's right...  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/27/kooskia-internment-camp_n_3663446.html
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serewit posted:I didn't really like it, but I don't think we should go around burning it or make it some sort of forbidden fruit. It can be critiqued like anything else, and I'd argue that in general society falters when we start condemning content without context. Just because someone holds terrible opinions doesn't mean their work should be stricken from the record, and even people with wrong opinions can be right sometimes (libertarians, for instance). Where did I say we should go around burning it or make it forbidden fruit? I just clearly stated he is a homophobic and sexist prick. I could say Ted Nugent is a worthless scum, doesn't mean I'd burn his albums (mainly because I wouldn't buy them). It feels like you and the other goons are falling over each other to give reasons why Immortal Technique is ok to be a homophobic jerk. Then strawmanning me by claiming not liking him for his sexist and homophobic views, that means I want to go around burning all his stuff. Please quote where I wanted to go around burning his albums. The broken clock logic I'm starting to feel you should expand your music tastes as there are a lot of artists out there who have right views who aren't sexist/homophobic monsters going around talking about putting homosexuals in ovens. Homophobia/sexist is not cool, stop making excuses and straw manning.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSR7H580e5U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG68YSbUAJQ
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Fluo posted:Where did I say we should go around burning it or make it forbidden fruit? I just clearly stated he is a homophobic and sexist prick. I could say Ted Nugent is a worthless scum, doesn't mean I'd burn his albums (mainly because I wouldn't buy them). It feels like you and the other goons are falling over each other to give reasons why Immortal Technique is ok to be a homophobic jerk. Then strawmanning me by claiming not liking him for his sexist and homophobic views, that means I want to go around burning all his stuff. Please quote where I wanted to go around burning his albums. The broken clock logic I'm starting to feel you should expand your music tastes as there are a lot of artists out there who have right views who aren't sexist/homophobic monsters going around talking about putting homosexuals in ovens. Homophobia/sexist is not cool, stop making excuses and straw manning. I didn't mean to imply you were in favor of censorship, my point was simply that it's possible to listen to music that is offensive in some way and be aware of those problematic factors without being a terrible person. I don't think it excuses their homophobia, either, but I understand that the context of where it comes from is different. Even so, the homophobia, sexism, and crazy-rear end conspiracy theories do diminish them and it's a shame because otherwise they're pretty decent artists. I guess I just don't understand what you're getting at - I listen to Tupac, should I feel really bad about myself for that, too? I can't exactly go tell him to stop being a sexist homophobe. Anyway, you know who else did bad things that people on the internet apologize for? That's right... 
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Who are these people that demand ideological purity from their music? I have never even heard of anything like that, have fun listening to Frank Ocean and Sufjan Stevens I guess. If you think that having conspiracy theories is the same thing as being right wing than you are no true Scotsman-ing a huge swath of American Leftists.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyf_mvrsao0
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serewit posted:I didn't mean to imply you were in favor of censorship, my point was simply that it's possible to listen to music that is offensive in some way and be aware of those problematic factors without being a terrible person. I don't think it excuses their homophobia, either, but I understand that the context of where it comes from is different. Even so, the homophobia, sexism, and crazy-rear end conspiracy theories do diminish them and it's a shame because otherwise they're pretty decent artists. I guess I just don't understand what you're getting at - I listen to Tupac, should I feel really bad about myself for that, too? I can't exactly go tell him to stop being a sexist homophobe. I'm not a fan of Julian Assange so I guess that's lost on me.  Miltank posted:Who are these people that demand ideological purity from their music? I have never even heard of anything like that, have fun listening to Frank Ocean and Sufjan Stevens I guess. If their main message is political, you tend to not want it to be filled with homophobic and sexist views. If you think we're just talking about his views, you should check out my earlier post here. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:Morgan Freeman owns. He does indeed.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5MEJk5ZCQ  
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A Winner is Jew posted:Morgan Freeman owns. Unfortunately he also gives an out to a lot of racists thanks to this:  "Well a black person said it and further more why don't we have White Entertainment Television"
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quiggy posted:Unfortunately he also gives an out to a lot of racists thanks to this:  That reminds me of Chris Rock's standup bit which people started to say its ok to say the n word because "not all black people are...".   FAQ: http://www.somethingawful.com/news/n-word-faq/1/ 
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Since we are talking about racism, this is an ongoing event in Florida. quote:Nathan B. Forrest High School in Jacksonville, Florida, home to the fighting Confederate Rebels, is named after a former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard and confederate general. It has been since 1959, when administrators changed the name to show their defiance to school integration laws enforced by Brown v Board of Education. But town residents, fed up with kowtowing to racial extremists, are looking to change that. quote:
Yup not racist The 6 page letter can be found here and is a fascinating read in their attempts to justify the name of the high school. http://www.scribd.com/doc/172717165/KKK-Forrest-Letter
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Ya'll yacking about it? This guy was doing it, way back... 
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Ah yes, Nathan Bedford Forest High School.  Me and my friend from Jacksonville were just talking about that place a few days ago. I'm sure he'll be glad to know his local klavern is fighting the good fight.
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It's coming from inside the forums edit: fixed tags Bogan King fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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I don't listen to alot of Public Enemy but Fight the Power is pretty sweet. Are they homophobic too? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnS53fNfpkE
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Which one of these is the Bob Avakian cult again? For content, I laughed at these two:  
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A funny thing i find in some leftists (or progressives or whatever the gently caress they call themselves in the U.S.) is how much they loving despise the working class. They like the idilic working class man but you'll never see them enter contact with actual working class people. You mean the people without much access to education, living in poor areas, bombarded with constant media propaganda and work pressure aren't as liberal about sexuality, race and religion as a middle class person? I'm shocked! People don't grow up with everything already taught, some people spend entire lives in circles that really don't allow them to know about anything else. It is imperative to reach these people and work them into, at best, more moderate opinions. That's when the beginning of acceptance begins. I'm obviously not talking about those whose ideals are proudly and stubbornly set in stone, whose love for repression of other people's sexuality, religion or ethnicity or nationality is not simple ignorance and frustration but actual ideological thirst. Those can be rightly called fash scum and kicked in the rear end. Immortal and most other rappers aren't born in the best social scenarios. Calling people faggots when you're not a teenager is just sad, but to people who aren't inside the LGTB struggle don't understand (or care) about how those words mean much more to those who are constantly repressed by those words. People like Immortal, 2pac, Dr.Dre or Ice Cube aren't gay bashers and to dismiss the entirety of their work (which is extremely rich) because they say words that you don't like ignores the life they lead and what they had to endure. Fluo posted:The broken clock logic I'm starting to feel you should expand your music tastes as there are a lot of artists out there who have right views who aren't sexist/homophobic monsters going around talking about putting homosexuals in ovens.  *The common working class man, specially one that fights for their rights, is a tough fucker, who endures much more than what we do. They probably call each other bad words!, eat meat and probably even spit on the floor and give woman pick-up-lines sometimes. Some lunatic leftists here actually went out of their way to participate on a public socialist forum just to proclaim that pick up lines are the same as sexual harassment and should be give jail time to. Whenever i see goons go blind with rage because of bad words i just picture them as agreeing with them. Things like those Jedi Mind Trick lines are inadmissible, those are actual attacks on individuals due to being homosexual, actual death threats. Ice Cube calling Eazy-E a human being in a diss song isn't near the same thing as it. *Image of the dock workers of Lisbon (if i'm not mistaken). They have been doing one of the most hard fought and determined battles against austerity and mass firings and de-unionization in Portugal. Tomorrow an organized mass protest by CTGP, Portugal's leading trade union, will be followed with an ocupation of the Lisbon docks. These people probably call each others pansies to the groans of a thousand goons but they'll never ever NOT be some of the bravest heroes that erupted out of this god-forsaken crisis. 
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