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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:i started watching xena: warrior princess because i just dont care anymore xena is a babe its understandable
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doesnt she get boobies out in some recent tv show about hercuels times
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Sham bam bamina! posted:i thought that the point of the time travel was that there could be two distinct timelines and everything could basically coexist? p. sure it was supposed to be their big concession to the trekkies. that would contradict how time travel has worked in every other star trek event though, every time something in the past changes something immediately happens, like when the 1701-C wasnt destroyed because it fell back in time and the klingons never signed a peace treaty, so the enterprise D turned into a battleship until they could send them back to where they belong, which immediately reversed it
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did xena and hercules ever guest star on voyager? i'd be kinda surprised if they didn't considering upn got the rock on
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oh wait xena was syndicated it wasn't a upn property. how about... moesha
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Werthog 95 posted:oh wait xena was syndicated it wasn't a upn property. how about... moesha hmm, how about less?
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:i started watching xena: warrior princess because i just dont care anymore legend of the seeker is a modern version of Hercules/Xena if ur looking for more fantasy camp.
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:that would contradict how time travel has worked in every other star trek event though, every time something in the past changes something immediately happens, like when the 1701-C wasnt destroyed because it fell back in time and the klingons never signed a peace treaty, so the enterprise D turned into a battleship until they could send them back to where they belong, which immediately reversed it lol star trek uses different time travel rules p much every ep, just relax and let the sperghurt float away
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Can-O-Raid posted:lol star trek uses different time travel rules p much every ep, just relax and let the sperghurt float away its not as bad as their treatment about how fast warp X is. poo poo like warp 1 varied between "10 minutes to cross a solar system" to "5 seconds to get from one solar system to another" the article on memory alpha is pretty funny
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warp 1 is said to be equal to c in enterprise, but in TOS warp 6 is equal to 0.02 * c http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warp_factor
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:that would contradict how time travel has worked in every other star trek event though, every time something in the past changes something immediately happens, like when the 1701-C wasnt destroyed because it fell back in time and the klingons never signed a peace treaty, so the enterprise D turned into a battleship until they could send them back to where they belong, which immediately reversed it so there's a bunch of different ways to travel through time and they all do different disruptive things to the timeline(s) just like how there's a bunch of different transporter designs which is why they never go wrong the same way twice and how the warp scale has been redefined a bunch of times, and stardates have too I'm okay with it
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Oct 21, 2013 17:10
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looper was the best time travel movie because it had bruce willis flat out telling the audience not to sperg about time travel mechanics
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:its not as bad as their treatment about how fast warp X is. poo poo like warp 1 varied between "10 minutes to cross a solar system" to "5 seconds to get from one solar system to another" warp X is merely travel at the speed of plot necessity
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:that would contradict how time travel has worked in every other star trek event though... this is an insane thing to say. have you ever *seen* star trek?
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Oct 21, 2013 17:17
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ol qwerty bastard posted:looper was the best time travel movie [img-bill-and-teds]
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Oct 21, 2013 17:26
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wrong, img-twelve-monkeys
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Shaggar posted:legend of the seeker is a modern version of Hercules/Xena if ur looking for more fantasy camp. legend of the seeker is based on the sword of truth books aka ayn rand in fantasy land
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Monkeyseesaw posted:this is an insane thing to say. have you ever *seen* star trek? the more i think about it, youre right. when there were changes it was "i guess the past does affect the future and we fixed things," but then multiple times teams ran around san francisco and caused massive havoc and nothing really changed except ciscos picture was in the history books ~whatever, sit back and enjoy the ride i guess~
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Stymie posted:legend of the seeker is based on the sword of truth books idk anything about the books but the show is about hot people fighting evil or being evil
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Oct 21, 2013 18:09
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the sword of truth books are all about fantasy objectivist ubermenchen fighting one another because the people are stupid and need to be led by champions of reason
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:that would contradict how time travel has worked in every other star trek event though, every time something in the past changes something immediately happens, like when the 1701-C wasnt destroyed because it fell back in time and the klingons never signed a peace treaty, so the enterprise D turned into a battleship until they could send them back to where they belong, which immediately reversed it except in the episodes where it features different timelines co-existing also stymie was right i actually read those books when i was younger and didnt know any better and somehow i actually enjoyed them but reviewing them now holy poo poo they are loving awful. the author actually ended up writing an entire book to dig himself out of an ideological plot hole when he decided that his stance on murdering innocent people was too mainstream and instead figured that killing people is a perfectly moral act and therefore requires no justification
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Oct 21, 2013 18:29
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and this is to say nothing of the psychosexual torture that most of the characters, including the ostensibly good ones, engage in frequently and in great detail
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Gus Hobbleton posted:except in the episodes where it features different timelines co-existing ok i cant remember those, please help the one with sisko starting a riot in lovely era san francisco doesnt count because the ship still in the future was isolated due to 
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echinopsis posted:doesnt she get boobies out in some recent tv show about hercuels times i think so. something set in rome i think? i'm too lazy to look it up. pretty sure i saw screenshots though.
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Oct 21, 2013 18:48
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the guardian of forever protects it's planet from any time travel hijinks, otherwise star trek uses bill and ted rules (the correct rules) the tng finale broke the rules but that was just q dicking around
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Stymie posted:the sword of truth books are all about fantasy objectivist ubermenchen fighting one another because the people are stupid and need to be led by champions of reason Stymie posted:and this is to say nothing of the psychosexual torture that most of the characters, including the ostensibly good ones, engage in frequently and in great detail yeah I heard someone complain about the show once cause it doesn't have all that or atleast the torture is toned way down and only the evil guys do it and they are all punished for it cause their evil. Its literally the most basic good v evil pulp but its fun and everyone looks great and the bad guy is really good too. Its very much in the visually and thematically bright style of Hercules and Xena which I guess is the opposite of the book.
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:the more i think about it, youre right. when there were changes it was "i guess the past does affect the future and we fixed things," but then multiple times teams ran around san francisco and caused massive havoc and nothing really changed except ciscos picture was in the history books timetravel in star trek is definitely my #1 gripe with the series. they (the writers) use it with reckless abandon as a reset button and stupid deus ex machina and it sucks
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Shaggar posted:yeah I heard someone complain about the show once cause it doesn't have all that or atleast the torture is toned way down and only the evil guys do it and they are all punished for it cause their evil. Its literally the most basic good v evil pulp but its fun and everyone looks great and the bad guy is really good too. Its very much in the visually and thematically bright style of Hercules and Xena which I guess is the opposite of the book. sounds like the tv show runners did the smart thing and ignore all but the most basic parts of the source material and just run with it as a new way to make a silly fantasy show, i just feel sorry for the poor souls who might decide to read the books because they liked the show
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:timetravel in star trek is definitely my #1 gripe with the series. they (the writers) use it with reckless abandon as a reset button and stupid deus ex machina and it sucks counterpoint gary seven owns star trek iv owns
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angry_keebler posted:counterpoint gary seven strikes me as like a chintzy american knockoff of doctor who also gene was such a ridiculous perv that he spent hours getting gary seven's sidekick's skirt raised
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i've never watched the star trek movies so i have no idea
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well except for canon (jj abrams)
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star treks 2 and 6 are good, star trek 4 is ok, star trek 3 has its moments, and the rest are pretty bad for varying reasons.
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ol qwerty bastard posted:looper was the best time travel movie because it had bruce willis flat out telling the audience not to sperg about time travel mechanics too bad, if bruce willis sperged about time travel mechanics for like one second he'd realise there was literally no way his plan could ever end with him happy
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Oct 21, 2013 19:44
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and then rdm got bored w/ her character and thew her away. altho atleast he boxed her up on the show instead of just dropping her altogether like most other characters.
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angry_keebler posted:the guardian of forever protects it's planet from any time travel hijinks, otherwise star trek uses bill and ted rules (the correct rules) what? no it doesn't. bill and ted uses closed timeline loops like 12 monkeys (you can't change the past, present, or future everything already happened). bill and ted just use that to their advantage to set up cool tricks because they're bodacious. star trek is all over the place but usually does the alternate timeline route (changing the past creates a new present) like BTTF. this is how jj trek can fit into canon without undoing everything else (except lol canon who gives a gently caress) bill and ted-esque episodes are the sf storyline with data's head and *maybe* the (other) sf one with freedom-fightin sisko (arguably they changed the present but in a very careful fashion so no one noticed). parallels showed that every possible timeline actually exists in star trek anyway (riker's beard). upshot is star trek gives very few fucks about consistent time travel rules i agree though bill and ted are the correct rules (because they're awesome) Dr Monkeysee fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Oct 21, 2013 |
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