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What happens when you just decide not to pay damages that the mediation firms claim you owed since you disagreed with their decision?
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Then they pay to hold you in a private debtor's prison?
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Oct 22, 2013 14:09
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LtStorm posted:Sooooooo, to try to lighten things up a bit; In one of my few Facebook victories, I actually changed someone's mind about this. I kept hammering that the US isn't some lovely tinpot dictatorship that needs to force children to say loyalty pledges every day. He was wavering, but still insisting kids need to learn about how great America is or whatever and civics class wasn't enough...then I thought of a winning knock-down argument and he conceded. Want to know what it was? "How would you like it if instead of just teaching what evolution is, schools made kids pledge to believe in it every day"  Texas... e: Ugh, I tried to go through his wall to find the conversation but I just can't wade through that much horrible poo poo this morning. Here, you can have this one while I go make coffee and cry about the future 
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Oct 22, 2013 14:19
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Buzkashi posted:Then they pay to hold you in a private debtor's prison? Yes but how do they get you there is you have a bigger security force? The only way I see this going is that the only thing the Great Men will be spending money on is huge private armies and then have wars to determine who is on top of what region. So basically An-Caps sound like they want to go live in cartel controlled Mexico and could probably live out their dreams right now if they really were committed to their ideology; I don't know how easy it is to immigrate there. VitalSigns posted:In one of my few Facebook victories, I actually changed someone's mind about this. I kept hammering that the US isn't some lovely tinpot dictatorship that needs to force children to say loyalty pledges every day. He was wavering, but still insisting kids need to learn about how great America is or whatever and civics class wasn't enough...then I thought of a winning knock-down argument and he conceded. Want to know what it was? I won some people over on this with "America is a pretty great place so why do we need to make kids recite something instead of just letting its inherent strengths speak for themselves." I think a lot of pro-Pledge people are just for it because of tradition and really aren't as attached once they start thinking about what it really is. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Oct 22, 2013 |
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Oct 22, 2013 14:22
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Pretty much. George Clooney apparently dies in the end Really it's well before the end, and the last third of the move is Bullock's character overcoming internal and external obstacles in order to continue living. It's feminist in the sense that a woman is shown to be a strong, capable human being.
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Oct 22, 2013 14:30
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prom candy posted:An-caps would use private security firms to handle that, and private mediation firms to handle disputes. I own a private security firm. Now I own everything. I am somehow not a government.
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Oct 22, 2013 14:30
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VideoTapir posted:I own a private security firm. Now I own everything. I am somehow not a government. An-Caps sound like it's not the idea of government they hate, they just wish they were at the ground floor of making one that they are in charge of.
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Oct 22, 2013 14:34
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Radish posted:An-Caps sound like it's not the idea of government they hate, they just That's more like it. VVVVVV Christianity has billions of followers! You can't judge a whole religion because some rear end in a top hat said something stupid or some priests molested some children and the conspiracy to cover it up reached to the highest levels of the largest denomination. Atheists like you are such bigots. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Oct 22, 2013 |
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Oct 22, 2013 14:37
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VitalSigns posted:e: Ugh, I tried to go through his wall to find the conversation but I just can't wade through that much horrible poo poo this morning. Here, you can have this one while I go make coffee and cry about the future Lets just ignore that you could probably find stuff just as bad by looking through stuff Christian preachers have said.
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Oct 22, 2013 14:43
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muscles like this? posted:Lets just ignore that you could probably find stuff just as bad by looking through stuff Christian preachers have said. "Look at the crazy anti-science things these religous people have said" is possibly the worst vector of attack the right could ever attempt.
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Oct 22, 2013 14:47
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muscles like this? posted:Lets just ignore that you could probably find stuff just as bad by looking through stuff Christian preachers have said. You could put a bunch of televangelists or true believers like the Duggers in place of those guys' pictures and I don't think it would look out of place at all. I mean Robertson alone would be good for a bunch. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/08/pat-robertson-god-can-cause-missing-limbs-to-grow-back-but-dont-pray-for-that/ socialsecurity posted:"Look at the crazy anti-science things these religous people have said" is possibly the worst vector of attack the right could ever attempt. Seriously, even they have to know that's a terrible idea.
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Oct 22, 2013 14:50
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No, our anti-science comes from Jesus and the good lord. Theirs comes from their filthy pagan moon god.
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muscles like this? posted:Lets just ignore that you could probably find stuff just as bad by looking through stuff Christian preachers have said. Radish posted:You could put a bunch of televangelists or true believers like the Duggers in place of those guys' pictures and I don't think it would look out of place at all.
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Oct 22, 2013 15:06
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muscles like this? posted:Lets just ignore that you could probably find stuff just as bad by looking through stuff Christian preachers have said. I don't know about that, I'm sure there are no crazy Chri... John Shimkus on the climate posted:I do believe in the Bible as the final word of God, And I do believe that God said the Earth would not be destroyed by a flood. Oh... Jerry Falwell on health posted:AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals Could probably keep going, but I won't.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:No, our anti-science comes from Jesus and the good lord. Theirs comes from their filthy pagan moon god. 
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Oct 22, 2013 15:16
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Guavanaut posted:I can imagine the exact same image with a different header being posted by moderate/nonpracticing Muslims. Whoever posted that probably considers all Muslims to be a monolithic bloc though. This is true. I was in Istanbul last month hanging out with largely agnostic Turkish friend, and we were talking about the movement to make the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque. He told me that secular Turks call the end of Ramadan "candy holiday" because you give out candy then, and that some conservative Muslims get really pissed off about changing the name of a religious holiday and making it about candy. ...so I got to share with him magical stories about our War on Christmas 
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Radish posted:Yes but how do they get you there is you have a bigger security force? The only way I see this going is that the only thing the Great Men will be spending money on is huge private armies and then have wars to determine who is on top of what region. So basically An-Caps sound like they want to go live in cartel controlled Mexico and could probably live out their dreams right now if they really were committed to their ideology; I don't know how easy it is to immigrate there. See, now I'm imagining a pseudo-feudal society where the various companies feud like the kings of medieval Europe. Microsoft and Apple are locked in a century-old struggle over the production rights to the PC. But now the God-CEO-King of Apple has died, and his heir's claim is weak. The R&D and production departments are ready to declare independence while the forces of Microsoft gather for the knockout blow. But from afar, IBM has watched carefully, and has now called its levies to join the war - but is it for a share in the spoils or to side with Apple and crush the tyranny of Microsoft once and for all. quote:I won some people over on this with "America is a pretty great place so why do we need to make kids recite something instead of just letting its inherent strengths speak for themselves." I think a lot of pro-Pledge people are just for it because of tradition and really aren't as attached once they start thinking about what it really is. Having been born in East Germany and having grown up with the stories of my parents about it, the pledge always sounded incredibly creepy to me. Why are you demanding school-children pledge allegience when they probably neither understand what allegience means nor are legally able to pledge anything? It really sounds like something a communist gvernment would introduce (minus the "under god" part, I suppose): "I pledge my life to the flag of our worker's republic and swear that I shall defend it always, betray it never, and give my life to defend the achievements of the working class."
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ArchangeI posted:See, now I'm imagining a pseudo-feudal society where the various companies feud like the kings of medieval Europe. That is what AnarchoCapitalism is - palatable neofeudalism. Personally I don't mind the pledge, but I also think American Nationalism can be used against neofeudalism. Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Oct 22, 2013 |
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Oct 22, 2013 16:20
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ArchangeI posted:Having been born in East Germany and having grown up with the stories of my parents about it, the pledge always sounded incredibly creepy to me. Why are you demanding school-children pledge allegience when they probably neither understand what allegience means nor are legally able to pledge anything? It really sounds like something a communist gvernment would introduce (minus the "under god" part, I suppose): "I pledge my life to the flag of our worker's republic and swear that I shall defend it always, betray it never, and give my life to defend the achievements of the working class." It is really creepy once you actually think about what kids are saying before they are able to understand it and it gets drilled into them. Of course if you lead off with that to someone that thinks it's inherently a patriotic and good thing they are going to immediately become closed off to the argument.
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muscles like this? posted:Lets just ignore that you could probably find stuff just as bad by looking through stuff Christian preachers have said. That won't work for the atheist libertarians, though. At least, not the way you want it to.
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Pledgechat brought up memories of my uncle blaming Sandy Hook on the lack of morality in schools today. "Do they even make kids say the pledge anymore?" he asked incredulously. Why do conservatives have such a hard-on for the pledge. They hate government! And they want their kids to mandatorily recite a speech pledging allegiance to it. 
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Oct 22, 2013 17:41
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They see it as a pledge to Real America, not Fake America With A Functioning Federal Government.
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Oct 22, 2013 17:44
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nyquil hangover posted:Pledgechat brought up memories of my uncle blaming Sandy Hook on the lack of morality in schools today. "Do they even make kids say the pledge anymore?" he asked incredulously. It makes a lot of sense when you consider that the Pledge was not written by the US government nor did they request it. Its basically government fan-fiction to support a dream society so of course crazies disconnected from reality love it. Plus you can't mandate kids say it in schools it has to be optional so of course they're pissed off they said it their whole lives and never once bothered to question if they had to. Except the Jehovah's Witnesses. They were there from the beginning complaining about the whole thing.
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nyquil hangover posted:Pledgechat brought up memories of my uncle blaming Sandy Hook on the lack of morality in schools today. "Do they even make kids say the pledge anymore?" he asked incredulously. Once you tolerate cussin', smokin', skippin' church, and you quit exhibiting Cold War levels of jingoism, it's only a matter of time before you shoot up an elementary school. Mental illness is a liberal conspiracy to excuse people of sinful behavior.
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Barudak posted:It makes a lot of sense when you consider that the Pledge was not written by the US government nor did they request it. Its basically government fan-fiction to support a dream society so of course crazies disconnected from reality love it. Wikipedia posted:The Pledge was supposed to be quick and to the point. Bellamy designed it to be recited in 15 seconds. As a socialist, he had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity but decided against it – knowing that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. The pledge was actually pretty awesome before they watered it down.
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Bubbacub posted:The pledge was actually pretty awesome before they watered it down. Its been revised like 4 times and like most reboots it keeps getting worse. Its a rather interesting bit of Americana but there are reasons why it's so alien to most other world citizens experiences. Its a non-mandatory oath of allegiance to begin with and then its not even to a government but a symbolic representation of it.
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I always found this to be the best version of the pledge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=618U-_8o31k "This is not a form of brainwashing." 
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 I remember in Virginia they stopped making the pledge "mandatory" (though I guess it legally wasn't they pretty much compelled you to) in like 2002 and I never said it again. Right after I stopped I had a vietnam vet sub one of my classes and I remember him absolutely flipping out on me for not saying it, like, yelling and screaming. Then he made us watch the nude scene in the old Romeo and Juliet like four times in a row.
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Oct 22, 2013 21:33
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I can happily report that one of the first email chains of the post-9/11 era, the one about how Starbucks wouldn't sell water to firefighters and won't send coffee to ARE TROOPS. Someone in my office just mentioned this. Same person earlier thought that we couldn't call a customer in NY after 5 because "NY is a union state so everyone's in a union and can't work after 5."
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Oct 22, 2013 21:39
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Were you also regaled with bullshit of how great and free the US was?
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Fandyien posted:Right after I stopped I had a vietnam vet sub one of my classes and I remember him absolutely flipping out on me for not saying it, like, yelling and screaming. Then he made us watch the nude scene in the old Romeo and Juliet like four times in a row.
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I bet there's a lot of crossover (maybe approaching 100%) of people who are mad kids aren't saying the pledge  and who were OUTRAGED at that video of the kids singing about Obama.
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ArchangeI posted:See, now I'm imagining a pseudo-feudal society where the various companies feud like the kings of medieval Europe. Crusader CEOS II: The Sword of Halliburton ArchangeI posted:Having been born in East Germany and having grown up with the stories of my parents about it, the pledge always sounded incredibly creepy to me. Why are you demanding school-children pledge allegience when they probably neither understand what allegience means nor are legally able to pledge anything? It really sounds like something a communist gvernment would introduce (minus the "under god" part, I suppose): "I pledge my life to the flag of our worker's republic and swear that I shall defend it always, betray it never, and give my life to defend the achievements of the working class." That's oddly fitting, because the Pledge was originally written by a socialist.
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This one has probably been around for a while, but it's my first time seeing it, and it's probably the most vitriolic public assistance-shaming I've ever seen.quote:WRITTEN BY A 21 YEAR OLD FEMALE. Bonus points: The guy that shared it used to be in the Army!
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Oct 22, 2013 23:58
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Duncan Doenitz posted:For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. So is it a conflict of interest for any government employee to vote?
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quote:WRITTEN BY A 21 YEAR OLD FEMALE. Because every woman I know refers to themselves as an "[AGE] FEMALE" when asked. 
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Breadallelogram posted:So is it a conflict of interest for any government employee to vote? Government jobs aren't real jobs (unless it has something to do with the military). I love how the writer thinks the inhumane conditions his hypothetical welfare recipients are just as bad as him having to pay taxes  . Whenever I read opinions like this, it makes me feel that some people get some perverse sense of "ownership" over the lives of people who depend on programs like SNAP to eat regularly. Need welfare? Well guess what I'm paying for it so I get to make the rules  . I think the "author" of that changes depending on who is doing the forwarding. I've seen it as "WRITTEN BY A BLACK MAN" as well. Chandragupta fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Oct 23, 2013 |
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Oct 23, 2013 00:16
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some dipshit posted:WRITTEN BY A 21 YEAR OLD FEMALE. I've always loved the contradictions in that article. Anytime it gets posted to my wall, I usually try to get a response with something along these lines: Who do they think would pay for the medical procedures? Hint: people on government assistance likely didn't have health care to start with. What happens when the surgery goes wrong and the person or their family sues? Sure, they're all for keeping the government out of their lives, but feel free to search random people's places for the act of being poor! Also, the government should be small, but they should also be giving out jobs because
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Regalingualius posted:Because every woman I know refers to themselves as an "[AGE] FEMALE" when asked.
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I wasn't sure if a text I received from my ultra right wing step-grandpa would count, but I'll share it. It reads like a chain text.quote:Sometimes life is hard, but I heard a stat today. Do you realize if you make $11,000 per year you are in the richest 14% of people in the world! Count your blessings every day! I just don't even know how to reply to the him.
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