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whaley posted:When did the last 3D Mario come out, like three years ago? Two years ago. Video games on consoles have budgets that spiral out of control so often nowadays, developers don't shake things up very often because they are scared to lose money. It is a problem across the board.
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TaurusOxford posted:As opposed to the WiiU which can't even get full ports of current-gen games? You seriously think the WiiU is going to do BETTER when it has to compete with four consoles as opposed to just two? See I knew people were more interested in last-generation ports than new games. But no, I don't think it's going to do much better actually.
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TaurusOxford posted:As opposed to the WiiU which can't even get full ports of current-gen games? You seriously think the WiiU is going to do BETTER when it has to compete with four consoles as opposed to just two? I think he means that the WIi U will have a lot of Wii U exclusives, while the PS4 and XBO will be competing with the 150 Million PS3s and 360s that are offering the exact same games but at a lower resolution. It's why I'm holding off on either console until there is an actual exclusive I want. All they have is Killzone and Ryse right now
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whaley posted:Crosshair Aimer Version 7 Million has a higher resolution. I'm sure you'll enjoy Pre-teen Adventurer Simulator 12: Important Plot Elements Come In Multiples Of Three just as much as other people will enjoy Crosshair Aimer Version 7 Million, and it's going to be in a higher resolution next year! To be fair, I'll probably be playing both. fivegears4reverse fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Oct 21, 2013 |
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whaley posted:Maybe the Wii U will gain from the PS4 and XBox One launches when people realize the Wii U has good exclusive games and the PS4 and XBox One have nothing but last-gen ports and that's it but I don't think people are that observant. I don't even see the promise of any good games on those systems at this point unless I'm really missing something but everyone is still throwing a fit over them anyway because Crosshair Aimer Version 7 Million has a higher resolution. The Last Gen Ports are new games coming out at that same time on PS3 and 4, you make it sound like the new systems are just collections of games from last year. Its cool to not care about any of them, but no one buying AC4 is buying it and thinking of it as a port of a 360 game. The Wii's big game right now is an HD version of Wind Waker. I'm just pumped for the new Octodad. A True Jar Jar Fan fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 21, 2013 |
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Astro7x posted:I think he means that the WIi U will have a lot of Wii U exclusives,
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Astro7x posted:It's why I'm holding off on either console until there is an actual exclusive I want. Me too, except several games. I just wanted to poke at "Gun Shooter Version 7 million", the whole same-game-recycled-over-and-over meme in this thread as if Nintendo doesn't do the same thing. The 3D marios admittedly are all super different from each other, but since Super Mario Galaxy they've relased New Super Mario Bros Wii, New Super Mario Bros 2, New Super Mario Bros U, New Super Luigi U. I just hope people don't mistake Super Mario 3D World for another one of those, because what I've seen of it seems pretty neat and it'd be a shame if people skipped over it thinking it's the same poo poo they've already had.
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The Wii U will have Nintendo exclusives, however many games Platinum is contracted for as exclusives, and whatever UbiSoft is willing to send to the gallows at this point. If things don't turn around before this time next year, the third parties that already abandoned ship won't be bothering to entertain the thought of doing anything more than ports for the hardware, and I imagine even UbiSoft will be looking to cut their losses sooner rather than later. Delaying WatchDogs hurt their stock, and the new Splinter Cell was a sales disaster for the franchise that might very well have killed it. It doesn't help that Tom Clancy himself died this year (which I think also hurt their stock), and that seems like it puts the whole "Tom Clancy's" franchise in a very weird place. Maybe they'll license Larry Bond next? The sad thing about claiming "exclusives will save the Wii U" is that it ignores that there already are exclusive games for the system (really really good ones!), and the only people who really care are Nintendo fans. They need a price drop, they needed one well before the new consoles were less than a month out, and they needed to have more of their big franchises be solidly represented this year, and they did neither.
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fivegears4reverse posted:It doesn't help that Tom Clancy himself died this year (which I think also hurt their stock), and that seems like it puts the whole "Tom Clancy's" franchise in a very weird place. Counterpoint: if this game is anything close to as good as it looks, I don't think the Tom Clancy franchise as a whole will die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJgMl3BahWY
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Quest For Glory II posted:Uhh... I doubt that. No, I think that's exactly what he meant.
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fivegears4reverse posted:They need a price drop, they needed one well before the new consoles were less than a month out, and they needed to have more of their big franchises be solidly represented this year, and they did neither. But it's had a price drop in America as well as the WWHD bundle, and the Wii U sales tripled*! *in a 5 week reporting month, and still 3rd behind the PS3/360.
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Edmund Honda posted:But it's had a price drop in America as well as the WWHD bundle, and the Wii U sales tripled*! *And when said price drop and bundle happened in the last 2 weeks of said 5 reporting week month. I'm not saying it was anything amazing or the WiiU is suddenly selling great, or that the sales will keep up, but you're being disingenuous.
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univbee posted:Counterpoint: if this game is anything close to as good as it looks, I don't think the Tom Clancy franchise as a whole will die. This isn't me trying to smugly disprove your point or anything, but I honestly had no idea that The Division was a game in the Tom Clancy series until just now. 
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JordanKai posted:This isn't me trying to smugly disprove your point or anything, but I honestly had no idea that The Division was a game in the Tom Clancy series until just now. Yeah, first I'm hearing of it, too. (But that game looks amazing).
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:*And when said price drop and bundle happened in the last 2 weeks of said 5 reporting week month. Seriously... Wii U gets poo poo for announcing a price cut a month in advance because nobody is going to buy it knowing the price is going to drop. Sales increase and people try to attribute it partially to a 5 week reporting month. October will be interesting to see if the price drop increased the new baseline total sales per month. I wouldn't be surprised if sales fall though 
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Astro7x posted:Seriously... Wii U gets poo poo for announcing a price cut a month in advance because nobody is going to buy it knowing the price is going to drop. Sales increase and people try to attribute it partially to a 5 week reporting month. As wacky as it would normally be to announce something like that ahead of time I can sort of see where Nintendo is coming from. It's not like Wii U's are flying off the shelves and the system isn't getting great press. Better to just not worry about the 12 sales you won't get right away because of the price drop to avoid even more bad press about 'ripping off new Wii U customers with price drop' Even with the price drop and pretty good bundles I'm so hesitant to pull the trigger even though my son would like it. Maybe if this holiday season goes well and it gets some momentum I'll feel better about things.
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Astro7x posted:October will be interesting to see if the price drop increased the new baseline total sales per month. I wouldn't be surprised if sales fall though If Japan is any indication, expect another drop. quote:Media Create Co. this month reported that the Wii U sold 3,276 units between Oct. 7 and Oct. 13 to rank at No. 4 in overall sales.
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Astro7x posted:No, I think that's exactly what he meant. You're right, that's what I was saying. whaley fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Oct 21, 2013 |
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Oct 21, 2013 20:49
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Can we post general news here? Nintendo officially shuts down Wii console production http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/21/4861772/nintendo-wii-production-ends
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Vintersorg posted:Can we post general news here? That's kind of a weird article. It seems to take a "it's the end of motion game" tone and not a "there's a new fully backwards compatible system out which uses the exact same controllers" tone. Good or bad sales aside it isn't like Nintendo 'gave up' on the Wii. The new version is out and it plays all the same games. New X-Boxes stopped production in 2005 if I recall when Nivia stopped making the GPU although the backstock kept selling until 2009. PS2 lasted a lot longer but the PS2 was a behemoth of a system. We're probably going to see PS3 and 360 production continue for a while though because neither is backwards compatible. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Oct 21, 2013 |
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Yeah, that's a weird tone... but also kind of surprising considering they just released the Wii Mini not even a year ago as a cheap $99 Wii. I wonder if this is more of a move to get the WIi off the shelves and get people to buy the Wii U? I guess for comparison it looks like the Gamecube stopped production only 3 months after the WIi came out http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/nintendo-stops-cube-production And then of course I think they were still making PS2s into this year until they finally stopped making them.
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Astro7x posted:Yeah, that's a weird tone... but also kind of surprising considering they just released the Wii Mini not even a year ago as a cheap $99 Wii. The stopping of production doesn't mean the stopping of sales, and Nintendo probably has a fairly large backstock of Wii units. It does mean Nintendo is trying to push towards their next system but it isn't like you'll have a hard time buying Wiis in the next year or two.
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I wonder if they should have stopped Wii production much earlier, and heavily advertised the fact that the Wii U is backwards compatible. Maybe thrown in a Wii U version of Wii Sports as well. I don't know how ethical it is, but I doubt anyone who bought a Wii in the past year would want to jump on to the new, more expensive console when they've just bought a Wii.
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Picked up a Wii U today. And looks like the screen on my gamepad has bit of distortion of the film layer on top, like the film layer is not laying flat. I Have seen this on other resistive screens and I think/assume its just a thing that can happen because of how they are made/packed. Anyone else spotted this ? Also my Wii U is the Zelda LE Premium pack and the eshop is down for maintenance, so no downloads for me including of course the game itself..perfect timing.
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mfny posted:Picked up a Wii U today. And looks like the screen on my gamepad has bit of distortion of the film layer on top, like the film layer is not laying flat. I Have seen this on other resistive screens and I think/assume its just a thing that can happen because of how they are made/packed. Anyone else spotted this ?
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Did you know that this is not the general Wii U discussion thread? I don't blame him for making the mistake, the thread discussing the failure of the WiiU is arguably more active than the thread covering general discussion of the system.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Did you know that this is not the general Wii U discussion thread? I didn't, but I do now 
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That loving Sned posted:I wonder if they should have stopped Wii production much earlier, and heavily advertised the fact that the Wii U is backwards compatible. Maybe thrown in a Wii U version of Wii Sports as well. I suspect the people who buy consoles a generation late wouldn't be buying a new Wii U any time soon. I imagine the bargain basement price tag plays a big role at that point.
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Buying a generation late does have the advantage to strange money dilation. I can get, in the Kingdom of Denmark, a used Xbox360 with the biggies like Halo, Gears of War and five random titles for the same price as a GameCube.
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That loving Sned posted:I wonder if they should have stopped Wii production much earlier, and heavily advertised the fact that the Wii U is backwards compatible. Maybe thrown in a Wii U version of Wii Sports as well. How is it unethical? But yeah. Nintendo has already announced an HD version of Wii Sports where you can buy which game you want separately, play online and participate in geography specified sports clubs. It should have been packed in with every Wii U. Instead, Nintendo seemed to think Nintendoland would be their next Wii Sports.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:How is it unethical? "Phht... stupid Nintendo just packing in a game that 100 million people already played! They should have put in a new game that showcased the new controller just like Wii Spots did!" is what the entire internet would have bitched about.
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I'll bet the bean counters at Sega are busy harassing their legal team into figuring out if they can squeak out of this three-game exclusivity deal by releasing Lost World: Episode 2 and 3 in a bundle, download only, each only a third as long as the first, and twice as lovely.  I really wouldn't blame them for getting lazy and putting as little effort into these WiiU games as they can get away with. Between being roped in on this dumb console and getting screwed by Gearbox, Sega can't be doing well these days.
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Boiled Water posted:Why oh why did they take the deal? Capcom fell for the same trap except it was 5 games so its not a new thing either. One of those 5 games was Resident Evil 4 so it was all worth it.
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"Nintendo needs to secure third party exclusives like MS and Sony do." *Nintendo does so* "Why are those dipshits working with Nintendo?" I mean, yeah, this thread is about complaining about Nintendo and saying they're failures, but come on.
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:I mean, yeah, this thread is about complaining about Nintendo and saying they're failures, but come on. I mean, why did they even release a game for a console with no install base? Don't they know they need games to sell consoles?
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:"Nintendo needs to secure third party exclusives like MS and Sony do." Just because Nintendo needs it doesn't mean it was a good business decision for Sega.
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Crowbear posted:Just because Nintendo needs it doesn't mean it was a good business decision for Sega. And, at the moment, it isn't for anybody. My point is that asking why they aren't doing something then decrying them for doing said thing is asinine.
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:And, at the moment, it isn't for anybody. My point is that asking why they aren't doing something then decrying them for doing said thing is asinine. Decrying them? "Them" is a different company in each of those sentences.
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Spiffo posted:Decrying them? "Them" is a different company in each of those sentences. Yeah, both of these statements are being critical of the third party developers, not Nintendo. One and the Same posted:I really wouldn't blame them for getting lazy and putting as little effort into these WiiU games as they can get away with. Between being roped in on this dumb console and getting screwed by Gearbox, Sega can't be doing well these days. Barudak posted:Capcom fell for the same trap except it was 5 games so its not a new thing either.
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