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Apple's slipping, the tech specs tab refuses to do anything on the new MacBook Pro page on the store.
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Oct 22, 2013 19:39
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No Mac mini update.  This is really disappointing considering the hd5000 was a pretty substantial bump in GPU power.
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Oct 22, 2013 19:41
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Getting one of the newly announced rMBP. Which would future proof me a bit better? A 13" with 16GB or the 15" with 8GB and quad core. I really, really like the form factor of the 13", but wonder how badly I'm missing out with processing power. I've been making due with a 2011 13" air, so either should be a massive step up for me. For reference, I do a lot of iOS and Android dev.
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Oct 22, 2013 19:45
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The 15" cMPB is gone from the store 
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Oct 22, 2013 19:48
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I just can't see buying a new Mac Pro without being able to slot in a CUDA card, and my fibre or mini-SAS cards. I'm sure there will be T-bolt expansion chassis for all that, but it's just extra expense, points of failure, and cables/boxes taking up space. I'm not software locked to OSX any more, and my work gets a better deal on Windows workstations anyway, so I think this soon to be last generation Mac Pro will be my last.
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Oct 22, 2013 19:55
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A 13" w/2.6 CPU, 8gb and 256gb ssd + Applecare comes out to $30 cheaper than the old model. 
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Oct 22, 2013 20:00
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Bob Morales posted:The 15" cMPB is gone from the store Much like the iPad 2, the 13" shambles on.
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Oct 22, 2013 20:07
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BrotherFish posted:Which would future proof me a bit better? Neither, buy whatever you need right now. 13" should be more than enough if you currently use a MBA.
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Oct 22, 2013 20:26
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eames posted:If you have a 256 GB model, you’re fine because Apple only used Samsung SSDs with that capacity. It's a 256. Thanks for the info!
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Oct 22, 2013 20:34
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Choadmaster posted:It's a 256. Thanks for the info! Ahem. *Quarter terabyte* I was really looking forward to pricing out Mac Pro models. I'm putting in for some research money and need hard numbers.
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Oct 22, 2013 20:36
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phosdex posted:A 13" w/2.6 CPU, 8gb and 256gb ssd + Applecare comes out to $30 cheaper than the old model. And if you're in the UK, you don't even need AppleCare. I'm extremely tempted to pick up the 2.4GHz 13", but I'm not sure of the difference between 5100 and 5200 Intel graphics. I'll be wanting to use it for photo editing (quite possibly on the go when I'm in the city, going out for a photo session then being able to touch up the photos during lunch) but I have no idea what kind of performance difference I'd be looking at if I ponied up £1,699 for the 15" MBP instead. I feel like a the dual core Haswell should handle it, but if anyone else more experienced with laptop hardware could fill me in, that'd be great.
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Oct 22, 2013 20:37
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The 13" only has Iris 5100, right?
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Oct 22, 2013 20:52
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fookolt posted:The 13" only has Iris 5100, right? Yes.
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Oct 22, 2013 20:58
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The 15" rMBP seems to have some odd things going on with the display resolutions. According to the tech specs it doesn’t support 4k via Thunderbolt 2, only via HDMI. quote:Dual display and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on up to two external displays, both at millions of colors
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Oct 22, 2013 20:58
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So the 13" is using Iris 5100 and 15" is using the Crystalwell (HD 5200)? Goddamn I want a 13" so bad I need the graphics performance of the 5200...
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Oct 22, 2013 21:14
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I'm sure those holding onto 8 or 12-core aluminum Mac Pros are just clutching them in their hands ever so dearly. This is truly the voice of someone who can't afford it, but- $3K for a quad-core CPU with 12GB of RAM? My ability to grok this has dissolved completely. Seems like the minimum purchase is somewhere around $4.5-5K. 12GB of RAM is a joke, 256GB (or a single drive for that matter) is a joke. I guess the only thing that isn't is the GPUs. So 50% of the price is workstation graphics, right? And a very specific, non-replacable choice at that. And I'm sure it will be a very long time until Thunderbolt 1 or 2 graphics is anything close to a "standard".
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Oct 22, 2013 21:15
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kuskus posted:I'm sure those holding onto 8 or 12-core aluminum Mac Pros are just clutching them in their hands ever so dearly. Pretty sure you can upgrade the RAM yourself so it wouldn't make sense to order it fully-speced directly... Do we know what's the corresponding retail model for the GPUs?
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Oct 22, 2013 21:24
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shodanjr_gr posted:Do we know what's the corresponding retail model for the GPUs? Somebody over at ars posted this: quote:w7000: 1280 stream processors, 256-bit memory bus, retail $899 The D500 might be custom silicone.  bonus anandtech review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6137/the-amd-firepro-w9000-w8000-review-part-1 eames fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Oct 22, 2013 |
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Oct 22, 2013 21:27
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kuskus posted:I'm sure those holding onto 8 or 12-core aluminum Mac Pros are just clutching them in their hands ever so dearly. Eh. I mean the buying advice for the previous one was to generally avoid the two-socket models for most use cases. Just in general, you're looking at an extremely different use case when you're talking about the new Mac Pro. If your workflow involves a lot of renders or something else that can get put in the GPU, then the 3k base model is pretty drat solid looking. I mean the SSD does seem meager, but also most people probably already have some crazy storage solution already for the media they're working with.
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Oct 22, 2013 21:28
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eames posted:Somebody over at ars posted this: Given this, I don't see how the MP is expensive...Even if you are getting 20% off retail for the GPUs you are still looking at $1400 just for the graphics. Any work-station class chassis with a XEON CPU is going to run you at least $1k. And this is 1/8th of the size, much more quite and has solid state storage.
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Oct 22, 2013 21:33
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How long until this stuff is available from other online stores? (Best Buy, Amazon, etc)
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Oct 22, 2013 21:34
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What's the pseudo-equivalent GPU performance of the new 13-inchers?
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Oct 22, 2013 21:40
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PRADA SLUT posted:What's the pseudo-equivalent GPU performance of the new 13-inchers? The 5100 is quoted as being about 20% faster than the 5000 due to increased thermal headroom, so the 13" rMBP should be a wee bit better than the Air but well shy of the Iris Pro or the GeForce 750M in the 15" rMBP.
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Oct 22, 2013 22:05
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On another note the App store has Mavericks for free: 
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Oct 22, 2013 22:38
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etalian posted:On another note the App store has Mavericks for free:
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Oct 22, 2013 22:41
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etalian posted:On another note the App store has Mavericks for free: Yeah, but what hasn't been mentioned is, it shows up in Software Updates.
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Oct 22, 2013 22:43
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Beelzebubba9 posted:The 5100 is quoted as being about 20% faster than the 5000 due to increased thermal headroom, so the 13" rMBP should be a wee bit better than the Air but well shy of the Iris Pro or the GeForce 750M in the 15" rMBP. I would presume that gaming performance is better VS the Air as well because you can set your res to 1280x800 instead of 1440x900? I have a current 13" MBA and am thinking of taking it back to switch it.
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Oct 22, 2013 22:48
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Anybody know if Mavericks will fix this issue: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4088 I'm a bit past the three year mark, but more importantly, don't have the time to send my machine away for a hardware fix for a week.
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Oct 22, 2013 22:49
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magiccarpet posted:Anybody know if Mavericks will fix this issue:
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Oct 22, 2013 22:52
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magiccarpet posted:Anybody know if Mavericks will fix this issue: If you're in the UK, you have another 3 years left.
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Oct 22, 2013 23:09
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It's really weird and offputting that they've canned the discrete GPU in the base 15". I would think it was a strange maneuver even on a non-retina, but on a 15" rMBP that seems insane. Are there any numbers on how good Crystalwell 5200 is?
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Oct 22, 2013 23:30
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cloudline posted:Are there any numbers on how good Crystalwell 5200 is?
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Oct 22, 2013 23:42
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Cross-posting between both threads, but god drat Mavericks    It's really great to see improvements even on ancient hardware. Source.
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Oct 22, 2013 23:50
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Cross-posting between both threads, but god drat Mavericks I wish my ancient hardware would run it .
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Oct 23, 2013 00:42
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Cross-posting between both threads, but god drat Mavericks Do these overall savings require using Safari? Or will using Chrome realize similar energy savings?
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Oct 23, 2013 01:03
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Welp, I've made the plunge into darkside and bought the 15". I currently have a HP elitebook running dual monitors via a docking station and a bunch of crap plugged into the said docking station. I was hoping for a new thunderbolt display as well to help me get rid of all the cables and poo poo all over my desk. I'm fine with waiting but is there a "decent" hub that would be similar to a docking station with multiple USB's ports etc.? I'm gonna need something to hold me over for a little bit, otherwise I'll just get a current TBD. I'm fine using just the MBP for a display for the time being, just need USB's, maybe ethernet, etc.
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micron posted:Welp, I've made the plunge into darkside and bought the 15". I currently have a HP elitebook running dual monitors via a docking station and a bunch of crap plugged into the said docking station. I was hoping for a new thunderbolt display as well to help me get rid of all the cables and poo poo all over my desk. I'm fine with waiting but is there a "decent" hub that would be similar to a docking station with multiple USB's ports etc.? I'm gonna need something to hold me over for a little bit, otherwise I'll just get a current TBD. My experiences with the Matrox TB dock were pretty bad. The USB would drop out and the box would need power cycled to recover them. This was a couple of months ago, but YMMV.
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Oct 23, 2013 01:39
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gently caress, I was really excited to replace my aging 2010 MBP, but the rMBP has so many features removed that the pricepoint is unjustifiable. No disc drive or even ethernet port on a 1500 dollar machine is ridiculous. Having a disc drive when I need it is incredibly handy, and carrying around that plug-in thing is super awkward and defeats the purpose of the sleek design. Almost none of the parts like the battery, SSD, or ram replaceable which removes a large amount of control I'd have. This thing is like a Rolls Royce circa 1940 with a locked engine cover and a stated horsepower as "sufficient." Just, damnit.
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Oct 23, 2013 01:46
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hotsauce posted:Do these overall savings require using Safari? Or will using Chrome realize similar energy savings? It's mainly because Mavericks is able to make more aggressive use of CPU power saving especially for the new Haswell CPUs. Will it spoil me posted:gently caress, I was really excited to replace my aging 2010 MBP, but the rMBP has so many features removed that the pricepoint is unjustifiable. No disc drive or even ethernet port on a 1500 dollar machine is ridiculous. Having a disc drive when I need it is incredibly handy, and carrying around that plug-in thing is super awkward and defeats the purpose of the sleek design. Almost none of the parts like the battery, SSD, or ram replaceable which removes a large amount of control I'd have. This thing is like a Rolls Royce circa 1940 with a locked engine cover and a stated horsepower as "sufficient." Just, damnit. It's the old deja vu macs suck argument because they don't offer old school laptop features. You are probably better off getting a thinkpad if things such as the lack of CD drive or easy access for upgrades are a deal breaker.
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I really wanted to see a new TBD. All I can hope for now is a silent refresh before the holidays.
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