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computer parts posted:Season 8 felt pretty focused, or at least no less focused than season 9 did. The only really weird one was Season 6 where you had the overarching Purgatory thing but that wasn't introduced until like a quarter of the way through and the main villain (Eve) was sort of unceremoniously killed off at mid season. Yeah, season 8 was pretty consistent, if nothing else, for so narrowly exploring themes of betrayal and abandonment. As they related to pretty much every character, really...Dean, Sam, Kevin, Castiel, Benny, Amelia; everyone betrays or is betrayed, is abandoned or abandons someone at some point. So, god dammit, I started watching this show about 7-8 weeks ago and am now caught up. That is a goddamn lot of content, and a lot of it's all blending together, but this show's way better than I gave it credit when I only had context for it through obsessive fangirls on the internet. It's a drier and less "clever" version of Buffy (which I mean as a compliment. I like Whedon as much as anyone, but his dialogue can get insufferable after a while.) I second what someone else said a page or so back, which is that it's too bad the show is still so exclusively about Dean and Sam. I mean, sure, they're the main characters...but after 9 seasons, their dynamic and the recurring schism-death-resurrection-forgiveness cycle has become pretty familiar. I really loved the Bobby-centric episodes, for instance ("Weekend at Bobby's," and the one where Bobby dies.) And other characters in this universe are fascinating enough to justify their own arcs, or at least one-offs. It's a huge universe at this point, and Dean and Sam are only a small part of it...which is, I guess, what talk of a spinoff is about. My only complaint is this: man, does this show love to keep its refrigerator well-stocked with women. I'm sure this is a complaint everyone's used to, but the number of tragically-dead women motivating our heroes is kind of insane. It got to the point that I'd just laugh about it.
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Xealot posted:My only complaint is this: man, does this show love to keep its refrigerator well-stocked with women. I'm sure this is a complaint everyone's used to, but the number of tragically-dead women motivating our heroes is kind of insane. It got to the point that I'd just laugh about it. It hasn't gone unnoticed, to say the least. Although most recurring characters who aren't Sam and Dean end up dying (except Castiel). There are a lot of dead women though. I've heard the theory that the writers are essentially pandering to the shippers, but I dunno. I'm still the only person mad about Ruby.
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Oct 22, 2013 10:18
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BreakAtmo posted:I'm still the only person mad about Ruby. Yeah, that was a really weird, hasty resolution to that plotline. They spent a lot of time building up her character...but nope, surprise: evil all along. There are tons of nuanced ways they could spin her motivations as more complex than some sort of demon double agent, and they didn't have to kill her off then and there. I actually think the reversal of Meg's character reflects a level of regret on behalf of the writers about that. Meg didn't particularly show signs of character conflict until after Ruby died. And if you think about it, the idea of a demon who questions her purpose and winds up on the Winchesters' side would've made way more sense for Ruby, given her history with both brothers and her antagonism with other demons. I believe Dean even speculates that Meg *is* Ruby when he sees her in S5. Hell, also Ruby was originally a parallel to Castiel throughout season 4 (Cas was allied with Dean, where Ruby was with Sam), so the weird parity Cas and Meg had would also have made more sense with Ruby.
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Oct 22, 2013 10:55
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Xealot posted:Yeah, that was a really weird, hasty resolution to that plotline. They spent a lot of time building up her character...but nope, surprise: evil all along. There are tons of nuanced ways they could spin her motivations as more complex than some sort of demon double agent, and they didn't have to kill her off then and there. Mostly agreed, although I do remember reading that Ruby being evil was in fact the plan right from the start (believable, since they started laying the Lucifer groundwork early in S3). And it does work in the end - I just thought the idea of a demon who wasn't a total villain was more interesting.
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Oct 22, 2013 12:15
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Xealot posted:I actually think the reversal of Meg's character reflects a level of regret on behalf of the writers about that. Meg didn't particularly show signs of character conflict until after Ruby died. I have to disagree slightly. Meg as she herself said found a purpose and stuck to it. Yellow eyes, then when he was gone, it really was pretty much chaos for season 3, where she possessed Sam just to get back at him for taking away her purpose. Once Lucifer came along, she pledged her allegiance to him, he came and went and she started realising that the Winchesters were the only sure bet in the world. So it'd only make sense for her to put her life on the line against Crowley. Those two had knocked out her boss demon, the big bad Lillith, Lucifer himself, Castiel the mutated angel and the Leviathans. By that point, she seemed rather confident she was on the winning side this time around (and she was, she just lost out). I personally would have liked to see more of Castiel and Meg, though.
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Oct 22, 2013 17:39
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Xealot posted:My only complaint is this: man, does this show love to keep its refrigerator well-stocked with women. I'm sure this is a complaint everyone's used to, but the number of tragically-dead women motivating our heroes is kind of insane. It got to the point that I'd just laugh about it. Somebody in the last thread went through and made a list of all the deaths in Supernatural and dead blokes outnumber dead women by quite a bit. If you're going to limit it to main cast then it does skew the other way slightly, but that mostly comes down to mental fans sending death threats and the like to any actress that has more than a couple of scenes with Sam or Dean.
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Oct 22, 2013 19:00
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Flatscan posted:Somebody in the last thread went through and made a list of all the deaths in Supernatural and dead blokes outnumber dead women by quite a bit. If you're going to limit it to main cast then it does skew the other way slightly, but that mostly comes down to mental fans sending death threats and the like to any actress that has more than a couple of scenes with Sam or Dean. And hey, Amelia is still kicking around. And Becky for that matter. Becky is now our longest lasting recurring female character. Yikes. I miss Meg 
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Sekkira posted:I have to disagree slightly. Meg as she herself said found a purpose and stuck to it. Yellow eyes, then when he was gone, it really was pretty much chaos for season 3, where she possessed Sam just to get back at him for taking away her purpose. Once Lucifer came along, she pledged her allegiance to him, he came and went and she started realising that the Winchesters were the only sure bet in the world. So it'd only make sense for her to put her life on the line against Crowley. Those two had knocked out her boss demon, the big bad Lillith, Lucifer himself, Castiel the mutated angel and the Leviathans. By that point, she seemed rather confident she was on the winning side this time around (and she was, she just lost out). Right, but these explanations for her actions came after the writers decided to build up her character, post-Ruby. Her arc is totally plausible in the end, I just couldn't help but think that if they hadn't killed Ruby, she'd have been a more logical fit for this role after season 5. She'd probably have had the same disillusionment over Lilith and Lucifer, and the same rivalry with Crowley that Meg did. Only, she spent a year as Sam's confidante and girlfriend, and probably built up more earned sympathy for the Winchesters in that time despite her mission. I hope they can organically introduce another conflicted demon character. This show's pretty good at introducing plausible moral ambiguity into characters who typically wouldn't have that - angels or demons. And I'd love to see more of what Hell is like, from the vantage of a demon. Generally, we're shown really impressionistic recollections from Sam or Dean, but the episode where Sam frees Bobby showed it to be straight out of Dante, and it was kind of great.
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I kind of have a feeling (hope) Crowley is going to fill the "conflicted demon" role, or is at least going to be more sympathetic. His whole "I deserve to be loved!" poo poo has got to be leading somewhere, and hopefully it doesn't just end up being a way for him to trick Sam and Dean. I like Crowley. I want him to be redeemed somehow.
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I was really hoping he would get his finger cut off. What do I want? I want my finger back! Can do that Crowley!? Can you give me my finger back!? Maybe I'll just take yours. *snip*
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Flatscan posted:Somebody in the last thread went through and made a list of all the deaths in Supernatural and dead blokes outnumber dead women by quite a bit. If you're going to limit it to main cast then it does skew the other way slightly, but that mostly comes down to mental fans sending death threats and the like to any actress that has more than a couple of scenes with Sam or Dean. I think a lot of the female characters' deaths were written better, or at least, had more resonance. Quite a few of the ladies went out like badasses.
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Oct 23, 2013 01:32
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WARNING: Misha Collins @mishacollins IMPORTANT: DO NOT WATCH tonight's SPN. In several scenes I am WEARING NO SHIRT! This pornography masquerading as television is disgusting!
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Oct 23, 2013 01:43
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On a related note: Jared and Misha are livetweeting the east coast airing now. I have to FLEE twitter because I'm in heathen mountain time, but it's sure to be entertaining.
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Oct 23, 2013 02:06
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Angel Smith! The Matrix has come to earth!
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Oct 23, 2013 02:06
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Oct 23, 2013 02:08
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I never watch this show, but I just started watching it and I kind of like that Bart guy and holy poo poo that woman exploded.
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Oct 23, 2013 02:09
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God drat, Cass.  Edit: Goddammit, Cass. 
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Oct 23, 2013 02:37
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Writer Cath posted:I think a lot of the female characters' deaths were written better, or at least, had more resonance. Quite a few of the ladies went out like badasses. Jo and Ellen especially went out all 
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legoman727 posted:God drat, Cass. Even better the commercial after was for Christian Singles.
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Oct 23, 2013 02:42
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Sam: Man, I've been having a really lovely streak of getting knocked out and waking up with short term amnesia. Edit:  gently caress you, Zeke.
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Oct 23, 2013 02:53
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Writer Cath posted:Sam: Man, I've been having a really lovely streak of getting knocked out and waking up with short term amnesia. Yea a stop by the hospital for a cat scan might be in order. Also Dean is a lovely friend.
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Oct 23, 2013 02:58
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Why can't they just level with Cas that Ezekiel is in Sammy? Dean did tell Cas about him on the phone. I'm surprised Cas didn't ask "hey, where'd that angel go you were asking about?"
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Oct 23, 2013 03:06
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Holy poo poo what a way to end an episode ...and then immediately follow it up with the preview of next week's wacky lighthearted Halloween adventures in Oz  The tonal whiplash in this show could hospitalize me sometimes.
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Oct 23, 2013 03:50
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Astroman posted:Why can't they just level with Cas that Ezekiel is in Sammy? Dean did tell Cas about him on the phone. I'm surprised Cas didn't ask "hey, where'd that angel go you were asking about?" That's where I thought they were going to, but I guess he finds out later. Also I missed the first half, is there any indication why Zeke might be a person of interest to other angels? (It looks like it's going to be because he can revive people from the dead)
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Oct 23, 2013 03:59
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Can we get a gif of that girl getting the Scanners treatment? The poo poo they get away with on this show sometimes 
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Oct 23, 2013 04:26
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I can't believe there wasn't a single Touched by an Angel line to be had after Cas's announcement that the pizzaman did in fact make his "delivery". Step it up Supernatural  They haven't mentioned why Ezekiel is on the run either, just the season opener where he was hurt, and the next episode we got the boney wings. Least now we know what happens to someone when they aren't exactly angel material.
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Oct 23, 2013 04:38
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Alright, so this makes four deaths for Castiel. How many do you guys think we are going to get before the end of the season?
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Astroman posted:Why can't they just level with Cas that Ezekiel is in Sammy? Dean did tell Cas about him on the phone. I'm surprised Cas didn't ask "hey, where'd that angel go you were asking about?" Yeah, I didn't get that part. That seems like something that'd clarify a lot. Darth Freddy posted:I was really hoping he would get his finger cut off. Is Kevin still missing a finger? I thought Castiel fixed that.
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Oct 23, 2013 06:07
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You'd think Supernatural beings would steer the hell away from the Winchester's by now, what with their ridiculous track record. Crowley seems like the only bad guy smart enough to peace out the second it gets hairy around them, only reason he is still alive. 
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McSpanky posted:Can we get a gif of that girl getting the Scanners treatment? The poo poo they get away with on this show sometimes Yea 9 years and the show still surprises me with the gore. Definitely feels like they keep ratching it up every since s6 or so too.
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Oct 23, 2013 06:56
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So why can't they just re-tattoo Cas?
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KilGrey posted:So why can't they just re-tattoo Cas? I'm pretty sure Ezekiel has some sort of secret agenda to get rid of Cass. His logic didn't really track. edit: vvv Yeah, the bunker is completely safe and the chick who found Cass basically admitted that it was completely just a stroke of good luck on her part. Also, what with the brother's lifestyle I don't see how Zeke can legitimately make a fuss over the tiny off chance that Cass will draw in some extra heat. He's living in a drat Winchester. Bright Future fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Oct 23, 2013 |
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TheChad posted:I'm pretty sure Ezekiel has some sort of secret agenda to get rid of Cass. His logic didn't really track. I can see this. Also, isn't their bunker like, full of every conceivable warding laid into the walls? The Men of Letters didn't gently caress around.
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KilGrey posted:I can see this. Also, isn't their bunker like, full of every conceivable warding laid into the walls? The Men of Letters didn't gently caress around. I doubt the warding ever took into account a full out assault by hordes of angels. Even with the warding they could probably still track him to a general area and start laying waste to everything around it to smoke him out. I bet that Zeke and Bart were the no. 2 and 3 below Naomi and Bart was able to overpower Zeke and take over, leaving Zeke wounded and damaged. Zeke needs to regain all his power before making a move and despite wanting Castiel alive can't risk getting caught before he's ready to move.
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McSpanky posted:Can we get a gif of that girl getting the Scanners treatment? The poo poo they get away with on this show sometimes Scanners was wimpy, they only blew up the head. Also, did anyone else recognise April from The OC? (And the SHIELD pilot)
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pentyne posted:I doubt the warding ever took into account a full out assault by hordes of angels. Even with the warding they could probably still track him to a general area and start laying waste to everything around it to smoke him out. Unless something's changed that I forgot about, Sam and Dean should still have that warding that renders them "invisible" to angels trying to locate them written into their bones. I'm guessing it will do the same to Ezekiel as long as he's inhabiting Sam's physical body.
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You know, I hate saying this, because I really like Dean. Goddamnit, he was an rear end in a top hat in this one. After that whole big speech last week about how the four of them are family and he would die for any one of them, he JUST showed what a hypocrite he is, by putting Sam ahead of Castiel on the totem pole. He knows full well this could be a death sentence for a guy who has absolutely no idea how to make it in the world. He knows most angels are dicks. But because of his mile wide blind spot where Sam is concerned, oh no, he's gotta play by Zeke's rules without question. So Zeke can do the bone wings and bring back the dead, but can't fix Sam. What proof does Dean have that Sam would instantly die without Ezekiel's presence?
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Writer Cath posted:So Zeke can do the bone wings and bring back the dead, but can't fix Sam. What proof does Dean have that Sam would instantly die without Ezekiel's presence? The fact that Death was about to reap him.
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BreakAtmo posted:Scanners was wimpy, they only blew up the head. Not just the pilot, she came back in last night's episode. She died there too.
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