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Oct 17, 2013 03:39
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Any advice for a somewhat beginner player getting back into the game after a few years off? I was ~13k KGS and played even games with an ~11k AGA, but I haven't played a serious game in about 3 years. The nearest Go club is about an hour's drive away - should I just start grinding out games on KGS or something?
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Oct 17, 2013 05:49
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Yes. Join the internet server, play the games, read the books (have the books?)
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Oct 17, 2013 06:14
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Flying-PCP posted:Are goons still hanging out on nova.gs? I made an account as 'adius' if someone wants to add me to the group. Hardly ever see activity on ITGO lately. I'll add you when I get on in a bit, but you need to request access to the group 
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Oct 17, 2013 07:17
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Just logged in to Nova and they've doubled their userbase overnight by merging with OGS! OGS is now Nova and vice versa, bodes well for the future....
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Oct 19, 2013 12:05
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oiseaux morts 1994 posted:Just logged in to Nova and they've doubled their userbase overnight by merging with OGS! OGS is now Nova and vice versa, bodes well for the future.... Yep, a boost in playerbase is just what Nova needed.
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Oct 19, 2013 20:59
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Garfie posted:I personally expect Go to be solved by impossible bots within our lifetime. Computing power is one of the main items holding it back. Once Chess is mastered by AI, people will turn their sights to Go for a challenge in computing. I think a lot have, but still it eludes a 'solution' that can even get close to 1-3kyu human player. The issue I think is because Go isn't a problem that can be easily solved by exhaustively enumerating the possible positions of the board, due to the sheer number of possible moves.
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Oct 20, 2013 11:23
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Digitsu posted:I think a lot have, but still it eludes a 'solution' that can even get close to 1-3kyu human player. The issue I think is because Go isn't a problem that can be easily solved by exhaustively enumerating the possible positions of the board, due to the sheer number of possible moves. This might have been true 5 or 6 years ago but newer methods have produced bots that can take on 5d amateurs in blitz games. The Monte Carlo method uses the sheer number of moves against human players in that even strong amateurs leave so much potential on the board that a super broad search isn't as necessary as you'd think. The issue with facing top pros is that they do walk a pretty narrow 'best move' path so that a Monte Carlo search isn't sufficient to beat them.
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Oct 20, 2013 12:17
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"Solution" is pretty well defined in game analysis. It means that you know who would win in a perfect game. Even with chess we are still pretty far from even that, even though chess programms started beating top players around 10 years ago.
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Oct 20, 2013 14:26
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Go have been solved for 5x5 IIRC
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Oct 20, 2013 14:48
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oiseaux morts 1994 posted:Go have been solved for 5x5 IIRC It's solved for 6x6 as well, I think, with 7x7 getting close as well. The winning move is consistently black at tengen.
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Oct 25, 2013 00:20
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Under 15 posted:It's solved for 6x6 as well, I think, with 7x7 getting close as well. The winning move is consistently black at tengen. It's solved for 3x3, too, with the same best move.
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Oct 25, 2013 04:19
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A new thread for 2013 is up, feel free to bump it at opportune moments...
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Oct 26, 2013 15:07
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Returning Beginner, I found this thread after stumbling across the GBS thread. I played Go in college with the local university club but hadn't played since then. Fast forward almost 10 years and I find that a coworker used to have a business selling go boards and go related accessories. He let me read from his library freely and it's rekindled a love for the game. I created an IGS account (cmhobbs) and I've been playing there when I can. I've definitely improved since I started studying again, but I keep coming into sort of split-board end game situations where I lose by only a handful of points. There's usually a clear divide down the middle of the board, black surrounding territory on one side, white surrounding the other. What's a good way to avoid such situations? I feel like maybe I'm playing too defensively, hugging one side when I can. I think the trigger for games like these is if my opponent can push an invasion that sets me on the defensive. I tend to start building a curtain at that point.
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Oct 27, 2013 16:04
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Hard to say without actually seeing the game - if you use http://eidogo.com/upload to put the SGF up, I'll review your game. Also, there are people on KGS and OGS who will give you teaching games too...
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Oct 27, 2013 16:27
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Could anyone help me with a life and death problem I have been struggling with? Black to play. Some answers in the spoiler: From "Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go", the answer key says that Black-S19 is the winning move. After White-S18, Black-T19, White-Q18, Black-R19, the result is bent five in the corner. I have a different answer - Black Q18. If White takes with R18, Black-S19 hits the vital point. If White attempts to make another eye with P19 or R19, then Black can play at the other point and kill that way. If White defends with S19 (bad), Black simply kills with R18. If white defends with S18 instead, Black just takes with P19 - everything that follows seems to kill. Am I missing something? I have a feeling that I am, but I can't find any defense that works for white after Black Q18. Is there one?
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Oct 28, 2013 00:50
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If B Q18, W R18, B S19, then W S18, B P19, W T19 makes ko which is not as good. If B T19 then W P19 and lives.
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Oct 28, 2013 01:07
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That's the one I was missing. Thanks!
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Oct 28, 2013 01:20
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So I tried out OGS. Couldn't even figure out how to mute the stone sound. Also, could someone add me to the group? I use the same name as here.
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Oct 30, 2013 01:09
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tonberrytoby posted:So I tried out OGS. Couldn't even figure out how to mute the stone sound. There's a speaker icon alongside the board. Click it to disable sound. I am really digging the new OGS. I only play correspondence on weekdays, but it's fun to watch people playing in real time.
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Oct 30, 2013 05:04
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tonberrytoby posted:So I tried out OGS. Couldn't even figure out how to mute the stone sound. Could you try re-requesting? I didn't see a request, but it could be bugged...
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Oct 30, 2013 15:26
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Is KGS still where all the goons play? The nova.gs client is much better looking. Either way I'm poo poo so
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Nov 19, 2013 18:37
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KGS is sitll where its AT
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Dec 4, 2013 07:56
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Yeah KGS. OGS if you want correspondence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8jvLp_FlMU
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Dec 4, 2013 13:33
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Nice. Doesn't Tygem have all this already? Fuseki/Joseki helper and live score estimator at least.
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Dec 4, 2013 13:38
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Checking in to say that this is a very fun and good game. You probably knew this already. Thanks for this thread, it helped preparing myself for the go club at University. I will start playing online as soon as i'm confident i can understand why i lose
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Dec 4, 2013 13:50
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Is it fascism yet posted:Checking in to say that this is a very fun and good game. You probably knew this already. Just start on KGS now, there are some beginners, I've improved so quickly by just playing loads there.
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Dec 4, 2013 13:53
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sensual donkey punching posted:KGS is sitll where its AT Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Woss posts!? Looks like the signs that I have to start playing go again arriving.
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Dec 4, 2013 19:30
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So what's the best online store for buying Go materials? I'd like to see a goon's reccomendation before I go out and search for one myself. I don't know if I can get a board + stones (Not magnetic) for under $50 though.
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Dec 8, 2013 15:14
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Kheldragar posted:So what's the best online store for buying Go materials? I'd like to see a goon's reccomendation before I go out and search for one myself. I don't know if I can get a board + stones (Not magnetic) for under $50 though. I use Amazon for everything. Here's a link for a board with stones and shipping for $35.
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Dec 8, 2013 17:25
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I got a laminated-wood folding board and glass stones for 40 Euros. I think in the US you get something like this even cheaper. http://www.amazon.de/Hebsacker-Verlag-Go-Spiel-Studenten-Go-Set-Master/dp/B001GXUKTG/
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Dec 8, 2013 17:26
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Will go ever stop being terrifying?
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Dec 9, 2013 03:21
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giogadi posted:Will go ever stop being terrifying? No, it actually gets worse as you improve and you begin to recognize the otherworldly, cyclopean horror for what it is
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Dec 9, 2013 06:38
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Request sent for OGS
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Dec 17, 2013 01:58
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Svartvit posted:Request sent for OGS You're in.
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Dec 17, 2013 04:03
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I played a 15k go robot with a 5 stone handicap (Since it said my rank was 19k?), and it resigned here. I thought it was doing pretty well, but was I wrong? Is anyone able to rate just how "okay" my playing is?
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Dec 19, 2013 12:17
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I still consider myself a novice, but my gut reaction is that no one will be able to say anything very conclusive because that game isn't finished.
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Dec 19, 2013 12:39
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There still has to be a reason that he resigned at that point. (Or maybe I should be playing humans, but you can hardly find anyone on automatch within 2k range of me at this time.)
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Dec 19, 2013 12:40
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Kheldragar posted:I played a 15k go robot with a 5 stone handicap (Since it said my rank was 19k?), and it resigned here. I thought it was doing pretty well, but was I wrong? Is anyone able to rate just how "okay" my playing is? White is dead all over the lower left part of the board and black has a commanding lead. Your last move there just sealed the deal by cutting off those white stones.
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Dec 19, 2013 13:02
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All the white stones in the lower left corner are pretty much dead, that's a huge corner, worth around 20 in prisoners alone, and another 50 in territory. You've got another 20 points or so in the middle, for a total of something like 90. White has about 20-25 points at the top left. Meanwhile, though the right side of the board looks heavy in white, the few black stones that hang around there are absolute champs. I'm not good enough to calculate exactly what of white is dead, but it shouldn't be too hard for black to make two eyes bottom right at least. Even if you'd do nothing and give away about 60 points there, black is still ahead. e;fb, and much more concise too More edit: The four black stones middle right look dead, but white can get about 30 points there tops. Fleve fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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