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ToastyPotato posted:In other news, am I the only one left watching Avengers Assemble and Ultimate Spider-Man? I have actively avoided Agents of Smash. No. You aren't. I'm still iffy on Assemble. It's mostly fight the dudes, but the characters are still at their most base. Hawkeye quips on occasion, and doesn't really do anything else. At least in EMH, he was kind of a dick. Hulk got a bit here and there to just show he doesn't smash.. but, most of what he says is still smash-related. Smash is kind of bland, too. Red is Angry, Skarr is dumb, A-Bomb is Seth Green. It's a lot more spacey than I figured it would be, but when you have a team of hulks, I suppose tossing Batrok the Leaper, or The Wrecking Crew at them isn't enough. Though having them struggle against Taskmaster would be an interesting change. I did like the GIANT SIZED Ultimate Spider-man episode. I can kinda hope Ultimate Spider-Man becomes more like BatB, by having Spiderman team up with more of Marvel's unknowns.
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Disney japan is producing their own Marvel comic series. quote:The story will revolve around how The Avengers – Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and the Hulk together with the help of Spider-Man and a group of teens, will harness their respective fighting skills and superhuman powers to foil Loki’s scheme to take over the world. Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers will target boys in the 6-12 age group. Edit: I wonder if captain America will be changed to captain stupid foreigner. thelaughingman fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Oct 24, 2013 |
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Cap was in a barber shop quartet.  The trailer looks amazing. I really want to see it in theaters, especially since that's around my birthday. I'm concerned about if I'll like it as much or not, though. The first one's main strength was proving what a hero Steve was and what heroism was and all that stuff. Still, I'm excited.
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thelaughingman posted:I wonder if captain America will be changed to captain stupid foreigner. They'd just have to write him as Ultimate Cap. 
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For anyone interested, Beware the Batman is officially out of CN http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48704
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:For anyone interested, Beware the Batman is officially out of CN They are really on dangerous ground because I loved Young Justice, Green Lantern and Beware the Batman, but soon I may just not even bother getting into their shows because they inevitably get cancelled before they even have a chance to build an audience. I'm sure these shows just cost too much for the ratings they were getting, but I still put that on CN. Start producing shows with reasonable budgets so you can give them a realistic chance of succeeding, don't expect every show you put out to be a break-out hit just because it has DC characters in it.
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Oct 24, 2013 19:26
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I figured the lesson they'd learned was that they thought every show needs to revolve around Batman otherwise nobody will care, but apparently it was something more along the lines of "every episode needs to be a 22-minute toy commercial or else". So I guess look forward to the next DC offering, Batman Force, where every episode Batman equips a different brightly-coloured MechaBatSuit to fight against the latest Joker Mutant Creation (with real slime action! Ages 7 and up).
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Fuego Fish posted:I figured the lesson they'd learned was that they thought every show needs to revolve around Batman otherwise nobody will care, but apparently it was something more along the lines of "every episode needs to be a 22-minute toy commercial or else". Batman Inc., but with the description being the same as yours, only add in Batwing, Nightwing, and Batson. And Batgirl and Batwoman. So many toys.
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Fuego Fish posted:I figured the lesson they'd learned was that they thought every show needs to revolve around Batman otherwise nobody will care, but apparently it was something more along the lines of "every episode needs to be a 22-minute toy commercial or else". I still want a Talking Neon Superstreet Batluge so bad.
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Lobok posted:Q&As are terrible, always and forever. But if they would begin a screening process, give the panel 10 minutes to finish up their bullshit spiel, then open the floor to the approved folks, things would be a lot smoother. Granted, that won't solve the problem of the panel addressing the audience with pre-canned PRspeak, but at least you'll avoid questions like "What would Han Solo say to Indiana Jones?!"
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thelaughingman posted:Disney japan is producing their own Marvel comic series. Gaijin-taicho?
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FilthyImp posted:They have the potential to be ok, but you seriously need someone to screen and reject dumbshit questions and creepy-rear end nerdlingers. As it goes, it's a mad dash to the mic, where the first two people usually make poo poo up on the spot so they can just address the panelists. Submitted questions are the way to go. If it's a Q&A based around a performance then obviously you have to let it be a free-for-all but otherwise there should be questions submitted beforehand to get rid of all the crap.
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ToastyPotato posted:Batman Inc., but with the description being the same as yours, only add in Batwing, Nightwing, and Batson. And Batgirl and Batwoman. So many toys. But not the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. NEVER the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. DC: We give the customer what WE want!!!!!
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Yonic Symbolism posted:But not the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. NEVER the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. And I'm not too sure about them including Batwoman either, unless they made her suddenly straight and pining over Bruce.
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Urdnot Fire posted:Of course not, Babs has always been Batgirl. Except she wasn't for a few years after she got shot, noone was, unless maybe one of the half dozen Robins cross-dressed or something. Half-dozen Robins? Surely you jest. In the glorious New Fifty-Two, there have only ever been two and half Robins. Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Damian Wayne. Considering Damian got stabbed about two weeks after he started, that's more than two years per Robin, making it more than plausible that Batman's first sidekick could have gone from a 10-year-old to a grown adult in his early twenties over a five-year span. New Fifty-Two!™
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Urdnot Fire posted:Of course not, Babs has always been Batgirl. Except she wasn't for a few years after she got shot, noone was, unless maybe one of the half dozen Robins cross-dressed or something. She would be completely asexual, as to piss no one off.
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ToastyPotato posted:She would be completely asexual, as to piss no one off. That would be such a step up from the poo poo comics norm I wish it were true.
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Fuego Fish posted:I figured the lesson they'd learned was that they thought every show needs to revolve around Batman otherwise nobody will care, but apparently it was something more along the lines of "every episode needs to be a 22-minute toy commercial or else". I think you're forgetting that Beware the Batman was very very terrible.
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Mr. Maltose posted:That would be such a step up from the poo poo comics norm I wish it were true. That's really depressing to admit. 
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Fuego Fish posted:Half-dozen Robins? Surely you jest. In the glorious New Fifty-Two, there have only ever been two and half Robins. Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Damian Wayne. Considering Damian got stabbed about two weeks after he started, that's more than two years per Robin, making it more than plausible that Batman's first sidekick could have gone from a 10-year-old to a grown adult in his early twenties over a five-year span. Two And A Half Robins sounds like the New 52's best worst sitcom.
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ToastyPotato posted:That's really depressing to admit. It was heartbreaking to type out, yeah.
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jscolon2.0 posted:I think you're forgetting that Beware the Batman was very very terrible. Compared to Marvel's current crop of cartoons it was great. But speaking more objectively by not comparing to steaming garbage, while it wasn't great, it was at least watchable. Hated that they made Shiva white, but liked that Batman was basically "crime autistic".
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:For anyone interested, Beware the Batman is officially out of CN They should have all motion comics from now on. Those are cheap to make, right?
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They should just do, y'know, animation. That's cheaper than CGI, right? Or is CGI actually cheaper these days than decent 2D animation?
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TwoPair posted:They should just do, y'know, animation. That's cheaper than CGI, right? Or is CGI actually cheaper these days than decent 2D animation? They both seem too expensive to bother with unless you are selling tons of Merch. What I don't understand is why a FRANCHISE such as Batman requires great ratings and selling tons of merch specific to a given show when as a franchise it should be pulling tons of money from sales in general? Like, who gives a poo poo if Young Justice doesn't sell a ton of toys, but Batman and Superman in more episodes or something and just ride the wave of keeping your billion dollar franchises chugging along.
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TwoPair posted:They should just do, y'know, animation. That's cheaper than CGI, right? Or is CGI actually cheaper these days than decent 2D animation? CGI is cheaper if you don't bother to spend much on it. Beware the batman was probably a lot cheaper to make than a 2D show.
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TwoPair posted:They should just do, y'know, animation. That's cheaper than CGI, right? Or is CGI actually cheaper these days than decent 2D animation? CGI is probably cheaper than crappy 2D animation at this point.
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Lurdiak posted:CGI is probably cheaper than crappy 2D animation at this point. Also there are probably way more 3D animators out there than 2D ones.
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The major sink in 3D these days is, and correct me if I'm mistaken here, all in the models. Once you have a model, it's pretty easy to keep using it over and over, which is why pretty much everything Dreamworks makes these days has a tie-in, and also why we had to endure four loving Shrek movies. Both 2D and 3D animation requires a studio of people to do all the fiddly bits making sure that your characters move from point X to point Y without looking stupid, and so forth. If you're relying on Flash for your 2D art, then you can simplify that process a little. My Little Pony's simplistic character designs can be customised by swapping out anchor-pointed differences: eye shape and colour, their hair, so on. Makes populating scenes with background characters easy. 3D can do the same kind of thing, having a basic template for three or four body types and then just swapping out hair and clothing colour. But if you want to add in a new model type that's gonna be weeks of work making sure it fits in with all the designs and generall doesn't clip through itself when walking or whatever. Basically 3D requires a lot of build-up to populate the toybox with its cast before things start. It's not as simple to add in a new character or scene during production itself, the way 2D can. But even with modern advances in software and so on, 2D still has to draw through so many frames per second for every minute of the show, while in 3D you can rely on preprogrammed movements like setting everyone's models to "run" and pointing them away from a bunch of explosions, then setting it going on the render farm while you tweak the next scene. But, again, that's as far as I can recall from past discussions about this. I am far from an expert.
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It is also far harder to tweak a rig to get exaggerated expressions and such. You want eyes to pop out and poo poo, you either build that into the rig at the start (and thus better use it often or you've wasted your budget), or it costs extra money to build in later. You can try to cheap your way through it, but it's generally far harder to go off model for effect in 3D than it is in 2D. This can at times be a good thing; barriers and obstacles can foster creative solutions. Other times, you get shows that just don't care/don't have the budget, and thus have to make do with a very limited toy box.
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jscolon2.0 posted:I think you're forgetting that Beware the Batman was very very terrible. I feel like you and I are the only ones aware of this.
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Rhyno posted:I feel like you and I are the only ones aware of this. Marvel's cartoons have redefined terrible for me. Every time I saw Beware the Batman I just thought "hey, it's not Ultimate Spider-Man!"
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Beware the Batman is the worst show featuring Batman in a while, but I thought it was decent enough for what it was and I also liked that it tried to play with a lot of lesser known characters. But I need a fun cartoon show to watch on Saturday mornings(I'm still 8 years old in my head) and the Marvel stuff is such poo poo right now. I used to really enjoy Ultimate Avengers but Assemble just feels so soulless to me.
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"Soulless" really is the best descriptor for the current Marvel shows. It's weird, because they are objectively better than the shows from the 90's, but we've come such a long way in terms of quality since then, that they seem almost completely horrible.
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The 90s Marvel shows were silly and terrible in a lot of ways, but for the most part they felt like something the creators wanted to make, not just cranked out to meet a contract requirement. That's what the current Marvel cartoons feel like to me: nobody's making them because they want to produce an entertaining product, they're making them because they're obliged to.
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Basebf555 posted:Beware the Batman is the worst show featuring Batman in a while ToastyPotato posted:"Soulless" really is the best descriptor for the current Marvel shows. Hulk might be more of a toss-up, but so far AGENTS OF SMASH hasn't had a Ghost Rider cameo so I'm going to call that one for the 90s too. McSpanky posted:The 90s Marvel shows were silly and terrible in a lot of ways, but for the most part they felt like something the creators wanted to make, not just cranked out to meet a contract requirement. That's what the current Marvel cartoons feel like to me: nobody's making them because they want to produce an entertaining product, they're making them because they're obliged to. I think the only thing that comes close were the early Marvel DTV films, especially Iron Man and Doctor Strange. Assepoester fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Oct 25, 2013 |
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McSpanky posted:The 90s Marvel shows were silly and terrible in a lot of ways, but for the most part they felt like something the creators wanted to make, not just cranked out to meet a contract requirement. That's what the current Marvel cartoons feel like to me: nobody's making them because they want to produce an entertaining product, they're making them because they're obliged to. The whole reason the Hobgoblin was introduced in the first season of Spidey's 90 series instead of the Green Goblin was because there were Hobgoblin toys scheduled to come out.
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notthegoatseguy posted:The whole reason the Hobgoblin was introduced in the first season of Spidey's 90 series instead of the Green Goblin was because there were Hobgoblin toys scheduled to come out. I'm aware a lot of it was toyetic as hell back then -- it was always fun getting spoiled on new characters by seeing their action figures on the toy shelves first -- but that doesn't change the soullessness of the current shows that we're talking about. And it's not just rosey childhood nostalgia, Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers Assemble don't even hold up to the series that immediately preceded them, let alone that old Fox stuff. My kingdom for more Spectacular and EMH 
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All I know is, I honestly prefer 90s Spider-Man to Ultimate, because while Ultimate is way prettier, I just cannot stand the cutaways and the bad dialogue. I'd rather watch Venom drive a truck because at least that's corny silliness and not just bad humor that requires Spider-Man to pause the show.
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