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exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


cbirdsong posted:

The one weird thing about the fake blood stains in the bathtub is that it implies Sam hasn't bathed in like, six months.

Sam and Lonnie had the house to themselves for 2-3 days while the parents were away, so it was probably Lonnie's hair dye. There's a little sub-thread that implies Sam has a big crush on Gillian Anderson AKA Agent Scully and wants Lonnie to look the same. It's a shame Lonnie will probably have to wash it all out when she gets to Basic (or not)!

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a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

cbirdsong posted:

The one weird thing about the fake blood stains in the bathtub is that it implies Sam hasn't bathed in like, six months.

It was a Manic Panic/Punky Color analogue and that poo poo gets everywhere if you're not careful with it. Bleach cleans it up pretty easily though, they probably just didn't care much about a couple stains.
me about dyeing half the bathroom purple one time.


exquisite tea posted:

Sam and Lonnie had the house to themselves for 2-3 days while the parents were away, so it was probably Lonnie's hair dye. There's a little sub-thread that implies Sam has a big crush on Gillian Anderson AKA Agent Scully and wants Lonnie to look the same. It's a shame Lonnie will probably have to wash it all out when she gets to Basic (or not)!

Probably partly, but it was red red, like fire-engine red, and Gillian Anderson has way more natural-colored hair.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

jonjonaug posted:

the ending felt like it was supposed to be really uplifting but all I could think was "man this didn't end well when stuff like this happened in real life :(", and I felt mad at the writers for what felt like...sugarcoating, I guess?

I dont think the developers intended for you, the player, to care much about the consequences of their teenage infatuation. It was left open ended on purpose, the point of where the story stopped is to create a sense of reckless youthful hope. It's a good way to emotionally appeal to that common sense of dumb young love.

Technetium
Oct 26, 2006

TRILOBITE TECHNICIAN
QUITE POSSIBLY GAY

I feel like they should do a free halloween DLC where you launch the game and it offers "NEW GAME +" where the house actually is haunted and poo poo goes down.

edit: VV even better VV

Technetium fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Oct 25, 2013

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Technetium posted:

I feel like they should do a free halloween DLC where you launch the game and it offers "NEW GAME +" where the house actually is haunted and poo poo goes down.

I feel like they should do a free halloween DLC where a giant middle finger crawls across the title screen when you try to select "ghost mode".

E: Alternately, add a button you can press to have Katie yell "Maaaarriooo?"

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Oct 25, 2013

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

exquisite tea posted:

There's a little sub-thread that implies Sam has a big crush on Gillian Anderson AKA Agent Scully
I just assumed that she had the same sort of taste in porn as her dad - they have the same porn mag, different issues, hidden away.

HondaCivet
Oct 16, 2005

And then it falls
And then I fall
And then I know


ookiimarukochan posted:

I just assumed that she had the same sort of taste in porn as her dad - they have the same porn mag, different issues, hidden away.

Or that she stole his porn?

I missed finding the dad's porn so that's pretty awesome.

ExtraNoise
Apr 11, 2007

cbirdsong posted:

The one weird thing about the fake blood stains in the bathtub is that it implies Sam hasn't bathed in like, six months.

I'm assuming Lonnie dyed her hair one last time before they grabbed everything and split, same with making a fort out of the couch cushions.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

It's really more of a time capsule than a home. I'll chalk that one to narrative necessity.

Edit: Thinking about it, I wonder if (kitchen wing spoiler) it might have been Sam who cut out the tv guide listing.

Shiiiiit I cant believe this game was set nearly twenty years ago now. When did all that poo poo get so old. :qq:

Synthbuttrange fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Oct 26, 2013

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

ExtraNoise posted:

I'm assuming Lonnie dyed her hair one last time before they grabbed everything and split, same with making a fort out of the couch cushions.

Lonnie wasn't at the house that night, Sam tossed the house and left to meet Lonnie at a bus station or something

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


ookiimarukochan posted:

I just assumed that she had the same sort of taste in porn as her dad - they have the same porn mag, different issues, hidden away.

It's just a subtle thing, no huge plot thread. That issue being the one with Gillian Anderson, the red hair dye, all the taped episodes of X-Files lying around and circled on TV Guide. I mean, didn't you like it as a teenager when your significant other made themselves look more like your celebrity crush?

Tree Dude
May 26, 2012

AND MY SONG IS...
I'm chipping away at the thread but one very small thing that I haven't seen mentioned (maybe because its so obvious) about Sam's health assignment. It was probably this teacher that gave her the pamphlet for the creative writing scholarship thing. It wasn't "see me because this is unacceptable" but "hey you're really creative here's an outlet for that"

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Her homework cracks me up.

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway
Yeah just played this
My IMMERSION was kind of wrecked because my computer sucks at running it at the lowest setting for some reason, making things blurry and hard to see and making movement a slog.

Those panning the game for lack of length or complaining about linearity are kind of... shortsighted? There's a ton of content in this game, it's just not presented in a series of battles. I missed a poo poo-ton of the family backstory and some of the audio logs, and I'm going to have to play this on a better computer and sort that out and then play with developer commentary. I doubt they found everything or figured out everyone's stories.

Gone Home's environment is incredibly detailed and well-realized, the experience of going from the front door to the credits is a real trip, and it's just so enjoyable finding the little snippets of family history everywhere. I was really tense throughout because I thought Sam had either killed herself or possibly had gone full Heavenly Creatures on her parents. I just knew I was going to cry when I reached the attic. It was a bit of a relief that they hadn't done that but instead had made a reckless lifechanging decision like that.

It's really surprising that I enjoyed this game so much. My favorite genre is puzzle games/pen and paper puzzles, and I avoid RPGs unless the battle system intrigues me - and usually I lose interest because the story is too great a component. And when a game has no gameplay but touts some other interaction, I am harshly critical. I have no interest in Dear Esther or anything Christine Love has ever made. Heavy Rain and Shattered Memories made me mad because not only do they not have gameplay, their stories/worlds are insipid, dumb, and gross. I have scowled at many a free indie game where the only gameplay was walking forward and confirming text bosses and only conveying a "man, life suuuuuuuucks" message. I actually like Yume Nikki - and it has far more similarities to gone home than ANY of the aforementioned - but it's about the only nongame I've played that I actually liked until now. All in all, I'm extremely snippy and critical of serious stories in games. (they COULD DO BETTER). This game gets it right for once. The stories not perfect but it's still a huge leap in the right direction for video games trying to be taken seriously by artists.

I would play a game that was like this but had more ghosts, death, and sadness so long as the writing was this strong.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

SynthOrange posted:

Her homework cracks me up.
I handed in homework like that several times - admittedly to satisfy a minimum length requirement rather than to soothe my muse. Am I missing something and this was meant to be a joke rather than a "yeah, teens do this" (or "teens did this in the 90s"?)

exquisite tea posted:

I mean, didn't you like it as a teenager when your significant other made themselves look more like your celebrity crush?
Personally I was just happy to have a significant other. I wonder if the fact that Gillian Anderson, like Lonnie, is a natural blonde was something they had in mind when writing the story.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.

ookiimarukochan posted:

I handed in homework like that several times - admittedly to satisfy a minimum length requirement rather than to soothe my muse. Am I missing something and this was meant to be a joke rather than a "yeah, teens do this" (or "teens did this in the 90s"?)
It wasn't supposed to be something 'more' than that, but people could have found that funny.

Max
Nov 30, 2002

TychoCelchuuu posted:

It wasn't supposed to be something 'more' than that, but people could have found that funny.

I found it very funny the first time I read it, and it serves as a nice indicator of personalities when you find Katie's version of the Homework, which is done perfectly and without any teenage snark/creativity

RightClickSaveAs
Mar 1, 2001

Tiny animals under glass... Smaller than sand...


It's also a great watermark for Sam's development as a writer. You keep finding these stories she wrote as a kid that get increasingly more sophisticated, and finding this says a lot about her as a person and creative talent. The commentary goes into this too, if you haven't listened to that yet.

Timett posted:

I'm chipping away at the thread but one very small thing that I haven't seen mentioned (maybe because its so obvious) about Sam's health assignment. It was probably this teacher that gave her the pamphlet for the creative writing scholarship thing. It wasn't "see me because this is unacceptable" but "hey you're really creative here's an outlet for that"
I never even thought about that, I'd just automatically assumed the teacher's note was a negative one and she was just some mean ol' authority figure trying to crush the spirit of her students, but why couldn't it be as you said instead? That makes a lot of sense.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


I don't think it was the same teacher who gave her the Reed College pamphlet, because I believe that homework assignment was from the same 9th grade teacher Katie/Sam had before the family moved to Arbor Hill (why a two-year old paper is still sitting in the den, who knows. Maybe they took it out to read while Lonnie was over). However it got there, it's just a cool little moment that illustrates the difference between Katie and Sam's personalities. You get the impression that Sam really looks up to Katie while at the same time feeling inadequate or difficult compared to her because she's so perfect and does everything that's expected of her.

Kraps
Sep 9, 2011

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.
Trying to avoid spoilers but is the fact that the player character is gay a major reveal? It was kind of hinted at in the trailer and confirmed by someplace I read.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Kraps posted:

Trying to avoid spoilers but is the fact that the player character is gay a major reveal? It was kind of hinted at in the trailer and confirmed by someplace I read.

It's what you make of it. You'd probably figure it out long before it's explicitly stated, either way. Arguably this game doesn't have any "major reveals" other than the ones you would personally consider significant, since pretty much every piece of information each contribute to different aspects of the world/characters.

Edit: Yeah, I totally misread that spoiler :downs:

Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Nov 11, 2013

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

And it looks like you misread or the person was posting that was misinformed. Hurry up already and play it!

Kraps
Sep 9, 2011

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

Hakkesshu posted:

Edit: Yeah, I totally misread that spoiler :downs:

So it's incorrect but everything you said still applies? :p:

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Just play it already Kraps! :mad:

Kraps
Sep 9, 2011

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.
All right already!

e: Wow. That was nice. Not sure it was :20bux: nice but it was nice. More games like this would own.

Kraps fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Nov 11, 2013

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Kraps posted:

All right already!

e: Wow. That was nice. Not sure it was :20bux: nice but it was nice. More games like this would own.

Yeah that's my biggest complaint. I mean you can get games like Daggerfall for the same price and they have tons more playablity...

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Kraps posted:

All right already!

e: Wow. That was nice. Not sure it was :20bux: nice but it was nice. More games like this would own.

See, I told you! :3:

I got a whole lot out of it crammed into a small amount of time, and its around the same price as a movie ticket or book :australia: so yeah, I'm okay with the price.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Elendil004 posted:

I mean you can get games like Daggerfall for the same price and they have tons more playablity...
(assuming you're not just some crazy person) great joke, but you're off by a year.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.
What the gently caress is it with this game and Daggerfall that makes people compare the two?

The whole project of comparing games based on cost and how much you can play them is dumb, though. Nobody says "yeah, I guess Toni Morrison's new book is good, but for the same price you can get twelve Faulkner novels at a used book store, those will last you way longer" or "Gravity is pretty great but for the price of the movie ticket you can get a month's worth of Netflix and stream like 500 movies."

Tree Dude
May 26, 2012

AND MY SONG IS...
I thought it was just a thread joke at this point. Nobody other than that first guy was serious, right?

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Bought this for $10 a while ago, just finished it now.

So I might be just half a goony goon but I think if this story had been told any other way I wouldn't have liked it as much as I did. This kind of sappy "teenaged love conquers all" usually annoys me and while it still did in a rational way here, though that also makes me feel slightly guilty being gay myself, I think my empathy managed to beat it into submission because it really ended up being one of the most touching things I've experienced recently. The intelligent build up of the diaries (even if I did get them slightly out of order), the presentation of Sam's hobbies and interests outside of the music, the background given to the parents, the small moments of characterization Katie was given, and probably nearly every other part of the design from the house layout to the ambient music contributed to such a natural feel. drat game tricked me into thinking I was dealing with real people :argh:

Seriously though, pretty amazing.


No tears here, but funnily enough the point that nearly got me wasn't anything related to the game directly but the commentary track where the voice actor for Sam talked about how reading the lines for a certain journal entry made her cry.

Kraps
Sep 9, 2011

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.
The only reason this has an apparent "love conquers all" ending is because of where it ends. I can't help think of what happens after the parents come home. Let's say the couple retreat works amazingly well and they come home all happy and recommitted to each other etc. Hurray, Katie has come home too, what a surprise! But she looks nervous, also, where Sam? ... [i]She ran off with that troublemaker Lonnie, who she thinks she's in love with!!![i] DUN DUN DUN

Sorry about the fanfic but in this story I think the "continuation" matters as well.

There's a wiki as well heh.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.
Now they're selling the game bundled with albums from the bands in the game, or you can buy the albums separately if you want.

SheepNameKiller
Jun 19, 2004

Timett posted:

I thought it was just a thread joke at this point. Nobody other than that first guy was serious, right?

Gone Home is no Daggerfall but it's pretty good.

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
👨🏻‍⚕️🩺🔪🙀😱🙀

Gone home would be better if instead of a house filled with bespoke content, it was a procedurally generated wilderness the size of great britan.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Kraps posted:

The only reason this has an apparent "love conquers all" ending is because of where it ends. I can't help think of what happens after the parents come home. Let's say the couple retreat works amazingly well and they come home all happy and recommitted to each other etc. Hurray, Katie has come home too, what a surprise! But she looks nervous, also, where Sam? ... [i]She ran off with that troublemaker Lonnie, who she thinks she's in love with!!![i] DUN DUN DUN

Not to mention the completely ransacked house with all the doors unlocked, lights on, drawers open, and container lids thrown everywhere :v:

But that is basically what I mean by being rationally annoyed with the ending. It'll probably end with a kidnapping charge and some really unhappy people all around. But it was presented in such a way that, unlike most other examples of this kind of story, I was able to mostly forget all that. Basically Gone Home is a romance movie that I enjoyed immensely which I nearly always don't because I can never stop thinking "Okay, but what happens next?"

Wandering Knitter
Feb 5, 2006

Meow
Wasn't there an article/blog post that explained the abuse sub-plot to this game? My brother recently beat it and somehow missed that entire sub-plot.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007


Sweet. I was just listening to a lot of the music and was just about to drop money on them.

BattleCake
Mar 12, 2012

Wandering Knitter posted:

Wasn't there an article/blog post that explained the abuse sub-plot to this game? My brother recently beat it and somehow missed that entire sub-plot.

I believe you're looking for this.

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TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.

Wandering Knitter posted:

Wasn't there an article/blog post that explained the abuse sub-plot to this game? My brother recently beat it and somehow missed that entire sub-plot.
BattleCake linked it but for future reference it's also in the OP at the "Spoilery stuff about Oscar" link.

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